DASH Collapsing Monero UP

[kazuki49]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

[illodin]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

[iCEBREAKER]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

DashHoles get very angry and aggressive when you call out their scam.  They are intensely interested in their critics' personally identifiable information, and often allude to negative consequences for enemies of their cargo cult.

I wonder if they are the ones gmax reported making death threats, and that's why he's not clearing up the issue of who offered to pay him to use his name for marketing Dash's snake oil.

[iCEBREAKER]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

You know you've gone off the reservation when you have to put in "this is not a threat, it just sounds like one" disclaimers in your clearly threatening posts.  EG:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1006273.0

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg12057588#msg12057588

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg12023555#msg12023555

As if a "this is not a threat it just sounds like one" disclaimer is going to impress a judge (or probation officer).  

[illodin]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

You know you've gone off the reservation when you have to put in "this is not a thread, it just sounds like one" disclaimers in your clearly threatening posts.  EG:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1006273.0

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg12057588#msg12057588

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg12023555#msg12023555

As if a "this is not a threat it just sounds like one" disclaimer is going to impress a judge (or probation officer).   

What that has to do with lying about DASH having a premine?

[iCEBREAKER]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

You know you've gone off the reservation when you have to put in "this is not a thread, it just sounds like one" disclaimers in your clearly threatening posts.

As if a "this is not a threat it just sounds like one" disclaimer is going to impress a judge (or probation officer).   

What that has to do with lying about DASH having a premine?

DASH clearly had a premine because the dev mined millions of coins before releasing the software to the public, in contradiction of his earlier statements.

Besides, calling someone a liar is completely different than saying "we know where you live, watch your back."

You DashHoles have done that more than once.  If Dash is funded by gamblers and mob lawyers, it shows here:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/kyle-hagan-is-no-longer-part-of-the-development-team.3225/#post-33461

Kyle needs to understand that many have invested their time and money in this technology and any threat to this investment will not be taken lightly nor will be ignored. A person who has a known location, known identity, young children and other responsibilities should act smarter and avoid making unwanted attention by getting drunk and talking shit. That's all I can say publicly about this issue and urge Kyle Hagan be smart about what he does and talks in the future.

And here:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg12057588#msg12057588

this is not a threat but a fact of life - screw over enough people and some of those people just might come looking for you - if you think you live in a country where you can't be touched, LOL - depends on how hard you fucked somebody over - it is what it is mate

And here:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg12057588#msg12057588

You are bold man: being known and identifiable in RL by the community and still harassing, and making such accusations...

[illodin]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

You know you've gone off the reservation when you have to put in "this is not a thread, it just sounds like one" disclaimers in your clearly threatening posts.

As if a "this is not a threat it just sounds like one" disclaimer is going to impress a judge (or probation officer).   

What that has to do with lying about DASH having a premine?

DASH clearly had a premine because the dev mined millions of coins before releasing the software to the public, in contradiction of his earlier statements.

Coin was released, mining started. Not the other way around. Do you know what a premine is?

[iCEBREAKER]

Coin was released, mining started. Not the other way around. Do you know what a premine is?

The coin was released only to the dev's VMs.

"You want me to trust your assertion that you accidentally mined 2 million coins and didn't relaunch to validate your claim of a fair launch?" says Institutional Investor.

"But it was an accident!" says Evan.

"Get out of my office." says Institutional Investor.

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin DASH (XCoin at that time)...

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

[nzminer]

Correct me if im wrong, but i always thought it was an instamine rather than a premine, still im annoyed i didnt mine them earlier or at least buy a few because i could have had fun while it lasted and dumped the whole lot in the beginning lol.

[illodin]

Coin was released, mining started. Not the other way around. Do you know what a premine is?

The coin was released only to the dev's VMs.

Where did you get that idea?

(the "investigations" you pasted don't prove that)

[illodin]

Correct me if im wrong, but i always thought it was an instamine rather than a premine, still im annoyed i didnt mine them earlier or at least buy a few because i could have had fun while it lasted and dumped the whole lot in the beginning lol.

Yea you could buy 10k batches for 0.25 BTC in the first weeks. Probably a reason why icebreaker is all butt-hurt for missing the train.

[iCEBREAKER]

Correct me if im wrong, but i always thought it was an instamine rather than a premine, still im annoyed i didnt mine them earlier or at least buy a few because i could have had fun while it lasted and dumped the whole lot in the beginning lol.

1) Dash's developer, Evan Duffield, released Dash before it's intended release date(Which means the instamine could also be partly counted as a premine)

Exactly.  The coins which were mined previous to the announced release date are obviously premined, whether or not they were included in the genesis block.

^this makes the most sense. If I hold an election and votes cast in the first hours are worth more than votes cast afterwords, the vote would always have an asterisk next to it in the history books if the election date was moved up in the middle of the night and/or only those with rare credentials or at the right location were able to vote.

[iCEBREAKER]

you could buy 10k batches for 0.25 BTC in the first weeks. Probably a reason why icebreaker is all butt-hurt for missing the trainwreck.

I don't want any Digital Trash, except to short it:

[illodin]

Correct me if im wrong, but i always thought it was an instamine rather than a premine, still im annoyed i didnt mine them earlier or at least buy a few because i could have had fun while it lasted and dumped the whole lot in the beginning lol.

1) Dash's developer, Evan Duffield, released Dash before it's intended release date(Which means the instamine could also be partly counted as a premine)

Exactly.  The coins which were mined previous to the announced release date are obviously premined, whether or not they were included in the genesis block.

^this makes the most sense. If I hold an election and votes cast in the first hours are worth more than votes cast afterwords, the vote would always have an asterisk next to it in the history books if the election date was moved up in the middle of the night and/or only those with rare credentials or at the right location were able to vote.

Uhm you can't just go and redefine well established terms whenever it serves your agenda. Just like you can't say that 2 layer design is good if you like the coin, and bad if you don't like the coin.

[PoS]

Coin was released, mining started. Not the other way around. Do you know what a premine is?

A intentional crippled coin was released, the few miners who actually where able to mine the crypto-technical nonsense algo where sent to bed after all went way-hey as planed. Once certain the last miners was sound asleep the dev fired up his VM's to premined 2 million coins and not wait as promised to have a fair re-launch.
Do you know what a premine is?

[rangedriver]

I think the collapse of Dash is a turning point in the way we all process projects and coins that aren't fairly conceived and that are heavily dependant on 'thy great leader'.

Hopefully this marks the last of a bad bunch to have a brief period in the limelight.

[iCEBREAKER]

Correct me if im wrong, but i always thought it was an instamine rather than a premine, still im annoyed i didnt mine them earlier or at least buy a few because i could have had fun while it lasted and dumped the whole lot in the beginning lol.

1) Dash's developer, Evan Duffield, released Dash before it's intended release date(Which means the instamine could also be partly counted as a premine)

Exactly.  The coins which were mined previous to the announced release date are obviously premined, whether or not they were included in the genesis block.

^this makes the most sense. If I hold an election and votes cast in the first hours are worth more than votes cast afterwords, the vote would always have an asterisk next to it in the history books if the election date was moved up in the middle of the night and/or only those with rare credentials or at the right location were able to vote.

Uhm you can't just go and redefine well established terms whenever it serves your agenda. Just like you can't say that 2 layer design is good if you like the coin, and bad if you don't like the coin.

You are the one trying to define "premine" so strictly it excludes Dash, just to sneak past CMC's shitcoin filter.

My logic is sound, as generalizethis and Prosperityforall agreed:

The coins which were mined previous to the announced release date are obviously premined

[canth]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

You know you've gone off the reservation when you have to put in "this is not a thread, it just sounds like one" disclaimers in your clearly threatening posts.

As if a "this is not a threat it just sounds like one" disclaimer is going to impress a judge (or probation officer).   

What that has to do with lying about DASH having a premine?

DASH clearly had a premine because the dev mined millions of coins before releasing the software to the public, in contradiction of his earlier statements.

Coin was released, mining started. Not the other way around. Do you know what a premine is?

Dude...give it up. The explanations for the ridiculous insta/ninja/pre/insert-your-unoptimal-word/mine are a joke. Renaming it to dash hasn't covered up any of the gaping sores on this dead body. A year from now, your shit won't even make it to the first page of coinmarketcap.com

[smooth]

You know things are bad when you see the CEO of THE DARKCOIN FOUNDATION INC. say this:

Simply based on the lack of a proper driving force or incentive structure, the project has little chance of success in our eyes and I'll be unwinding my position over the next few weeks.

ROFL tabloid headlines FTW.

You know of course that he said that about a different coin

[smooth]

Good riddance, they are now desperately harassing fluffypony on twitter for calling their scam out: https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/627173115840364544

Calling out someone for lying is now harassing? Do you know what a premine is?

You know you've gone off the reservation when you have to put in "this is not a thread, it just sounds like one" disclaimers in your clearly threatening posts.

As if a "this is not a threat it just sounds like one" disclaimer is going to impress a judge (or probation officer).   

What that has to do with lying about DASH having a premine?

DASH clearly had a premine because the dev mined millions of coins before releasing the software to the public, in contradiction of his earlier statements.

Coin was released, mining started. Not the other way around. Do you know what a premine is?

If that's your best argument you should sell into the ongoing collapse before you lose it all.