[ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers

[LiskHQ]

email subscription on the website doesnt work ?

Do you have AdBlocker or Ghostery active?

[waxo]

signature added .
But just a simple question about the ICO , how BTC do you exept for your project ?

[LiskHQ]

how BTC do you exept for your project ?

What do you mean?

[waxo]

how BTC do you exept for your project ?

What do you mean?

i mean the founds you need for the project ,and also i have read the OP and it seems you make a comparaison with ETH but imo its not comparable , how can you compare your project with a multi million already invested in ETH and with hundreds of developers involded in it ?
i just wondering how LISK can be successfull with only 2 peoples?

[LiskHQ]

how BTC do you exept for your project ?

What do you mean?

i mean the founds you need for the project ,and also i have read the OP and it seems you make a comparaison with ETH but imo its not comparable , how can you compare your project with a multi million already invested in ETH and with hundreds of developers involded in it ?
i just wondering how LISK can be successfull with only 2 peoples?

Ethereum, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Google.. They all started with 1 or 2 persons who had an idea. It's natural that a project starts with only a few people. We exist since 19 days and already have hundreds of Twitter followers, Facebook likes, Bitcointalk posts and chat users. It's a process and takes some time.


waxo: Please check our signature.. There is an error.

[cryptohunter2]

This weeks bounty summary:

I just wrote down all Facebook likers (110 stakes), Twitter followers (302 stakes), Newsletter subscribers (955 stakes), Signature participants (93 stakes) and translators (27 stakes).

Week #1 Values

Please note that there is an unusual high number of newsletter subscribers. We suspect that these are fake emails. We are using Mailchimp to send out our newsletters, and we can see user ratings there. That means we can see if a user is reading a newsletter or not. At the end of the newsletter bounty campaign we can filter out all fake emails this way.

Here you can view the signature stakes for the second week. The other lists won't be released, because there exists a privacy conflict.

Thank you very much.

I can't see me on these sig stats?? please can you review this. thanks.

[LiskHQ]

This weeks bounty summary:

I just wrote down all Facebook likers (110 stakes), Twitter followers (302 stakes), Newsletter subscribers (955 stakes), Signature participants (93 stakes) and translators (27 stakes).

Week #1 Values

Please note that there is an unusual high number of newsletter subscribers. We suspect that these are fake emails. We are using Mailchimp to send out our newsletters, and we can see user ratings there. That means we can see if a user is reading a newsletter or not. At the end of the newsletter bounty campaign we can filter out all fake emails this way.

Here you can view the signature stakes for the second week. The other lists won't be released, because there exists a privacy conflict.

Thank you very much.

I can't see me on these sig stats?? please can you review this. thanks.

I will add you, as I know that you added it before. Seems like your signature slipped through. Even though I wish you would make it more beautiful. I know the life as a "newbie" rank member is hard here.  


Tomorrow you will find yourself on this list for week 2.

[freedomfighter]

What is your use of proceeds plan? if you raise 500 or 1000 or 1000 BTC's worth. what is the plan post ICO. I dont see much but a web site, blog-posts and forum talks. Please show some concrete road maps. doesn't seem serious without it. 

[LiskHQ]

What is your use of proceeds plan? if you raise 500 or 1000 or 1000 BTC's worth. what is the plan post ICO. I dont see much but a web site, blog-posts and forum talks. Please show some concrete road maps. doesn't seem serious without it. 

Here you can find our roadmap.

https://blog.lisk.io/the-lisk-roadmap-9e854719e792

[freedomfighter]

What is your use of proceeds plan? if you raise 500 or 1000 or 1000 BTC's worth. what is the plan post ICO. I dont see much but a web site, blog-posts and forum talks. Please show some concrete road maps. doesn't seem serious without it. 

Here you can find our roadmap.

https://blog.lisk.io/the-lisk-roadmap-9e854719e792

Thanks.. but this isn't what I meant:

use of proceeds mean what will you do with the raised funds. this means that if you assume for example raising $1M worth or $0.5M worth etc. that you publish the following:

your hiring plans- ie additional developers, foundation? marketing, management, G&A, etc.
your marketing and communication strategies
how long will money last? you want to compete with Ethereum - than you have to learn from their very advanced business sense as well. they couldnt advance as much without real world business infrastructure.

[LiskHQ]

What is your use of proceeds plan? if you raise 500 or 1000 or 1000 BTC's worth. what is the plan post ICO. I dont see much but a web site, blog-posts and forum talks. Please show some concrete road maps. doesn't seem serious without it.  

Here you can find our roadmap.

https://blog.lisk.io/the-lisk-roadmap-9e854719e792

Thanks.. but this isn't what I meant:

use of proceeds mean what will you do with the raised funds. this means that if you assume for example raising $1M worth or $0.5M worth etc. that you publish the following:

your hiring plans- ie additional developers, foundation? marketing, management, G&A, etc.
your marketing and communication strategies
how long will money last? you want to compete with Ethereum - than you have to learn from their very advanced business sense as well. they couldnt advance as much without real world business infrastructure.

Don't worry, once we know the amount we collect, we will work on exact and detailed plans. This is a gigantic task which takes several dozens hours. It doesn't make sense to do them now for every possible amount. There is much other work to do.

Thank you for your patience.

[freedomfighter]

What is your use of proceeds plan? if you raise 500 or 1000 or 1000 BTC's worth. what is the plan post ICO. I dont see much but a web site, blog-posts and forum talks. Please show some concrete road maps. doesn't seem serious without it.  

Here you can find our roadmap.

https://blog.lisk.io/the-lisk-roadmap-9e854719e792

Thanks.. but this isn't what I meant:

use of proceeds mean what will you do with the raised funds. this means that if you assume for example raising $1M worth or $0.5M worth etc. that you publish the following:

your hiring plans- ie additional developers, foundation? marketing, management, G&A, etc.
your marketing and communication strategies
how long will money last? you want to compete with Ethereum - than you have to learn from their very advanced business sense as well. they couldnt advance as much without real world business infrastructure.

Don't worry, once we know the amount we collect, we will work on exact and detailed plans. This is a gigantic task which takes several dozens hours. It doesn't make sense to do them now for every possible amount. There is much other work to do.

Thank you for your patience.

with respect: "This is a gigantic task which takes several dozens hours". ?? since when 50 hours are a gigantic amount of hours? it is a minimum effort if you are asking for "few hundreds of BTC". what will you do with it? how will you manage it? if i am ready (for example) to invest (speculate) and give you and your partner 50BTC worth some $20k. Isn't it worth it to show me/assure me in advance that you can/are actually thinking about these things PRIOR to an ICO? dont you think it will show more savvy and seriousness?

I do.

You can assume raising your goal of say $1M and create a proposed plan based on it. you dont need 5000 scenarios.

Good lack. 

[cryptohunter2]

This weeks bounty summary:

I just wrote down all Facebook likers (110 stakes), Twitter followers (302 stakes), Newsletter subscribers (955 stakes), Signature participants (93 stakes) and translators (27 stakes).

Week #1 Values

Please note that there is an unusual high number of newsletter subscribers. We suspect that these are fake emails. We are using Mailchimp to send out our newsletters, and we can see user ratings there. That means we can see if a user is reading a newsletter or not. At the end of the newsletter bounty campaign we can filter out all fake emails this way.

Here you can view the signature stakes for the second week. The other lists won't be released, because there exists a privacy conflict.

Thank you very much.

I can't see me on these sig stats?? please can you review this. thanks.

I will add you, as I know that you added it before. Seems like your signature slipped through. Even though I wish you would make it more beautiful. I know the life as a "newbie" rank member is hard here.  


Tomorrow you will find yourself on this list for week 2.

thanks very much I am following this project keenly. I am actually a hero member but they hacked my account. theymos is hopefully going to give it back to me soon.

another question is i don't have any facebook or social media since my gf deleted it all and changed the emails. Can i get credits for getting other people to give facebook likes and messaging you?

[LiskHQ]

What is your use of proceeds plan? if you raise 500 or 1000 or 1000 BTC's worth. what is the plan post ICO. I dont see much but a web site, blog-posts and forum talks. Please show some concrete road maps. doesn't seem serious without it.  

Here you can find our roadmap.

https://blog.lisk.io/the-lisk-roadmap-9e854719e792

Thanks.. but this isn't what I meant:

use of proceeds mean what will you do with the raised funds. this means that if you assume for example raising $1M worth or $0.5M worth etc. that you publish the following:

your hiring plans- ie additional developers, foundation? marketing, management, G&A, etc.
your marketing and communication strategies
how long will money last? you want to compete with Ethereum - than you have to learn from their very advanced business sense as well. they couldnt advance as much without real world business infrastructure.

Don't worry, once we know the amount we collect, we will work on exact and detailed plans. This is a gigantic task which takes several dozens hours. It doesn't make sense to do them now for every possible amount. There is much other work to do.

Thank you for your patience.

with respect: "This is a gigantic task which takes several dozens hours". ?? since when 50 hours are a gigantic amount of hours? it is a minimum effort if you are asking for "few hundreds of BTC". what will you do with it? how will you manage it? if i am ready (for example) to invest (speculate) and give you and your partner 50BTC worth some $20k. Isn't it worth it to show me/assure me in advance that you can/are actually thinking about these things PRIOR to an ICO? dont you think it will show more savvy and seriousness?

I do.

You can assume raising your goal of say $1M and create a proposed plan based on it. you dont need 5000 scenarios.

Good lack. 

I know where you are coming from and can completely understand it. However, the amount we can raise decides if Lisk becomes a company, or not. A limited in the UK or a foundation in Germany. If I move to London or stay in Germany. It also decides how many employees we can have and in what speed we can develop. How many marketing packages we can buy and what type of partners we can approach.

These are only a fraction of the variables. There is too much unknown to make a specific report which 100% needs to be re-done later on. I'm not the type to promise the sky and deliver nothing. I do it the other way around, I build things consistently bigger.

[r1d1]

LiskHQ

I am reading Whitepaper and Developing section (https://lisk.io/documentation?i=lisk-dapps-docs/README) now.
But I don't find a way to prevent dapps from change by owner.

As example: someone created list-btc exchange dapp. Customers inspect the source of dapp and
don't find something worried. Code is clear and safe. They send funds (lisk, btc) to dapp.

Can dapps owner change the dapp code and steal the funds?
What will happen with the funds If the dapp stops working?
Are there some way to prevent dapp from change by owner?
Can I create a trustful dapp secured by mainchain?

[ilidion]

3 days for ico. Who is ready? I am!!

[davincicode666]

Signature added 

[Samuray]

Signature added !  

[piebeyb]

Intriguing. I'll keep my eyes on this the coming days. What's with that LISK sig btw  

You can insert the Lisk signature into your Bitcointalk signature and later on earn a bounty for that.

why no list of participants signatures Lisk, so we could see our username participated to this campaign

piebeyb,I agree with you,would like to ask the same question.

I agree. We can show the Bitcointalk signatures because there is no conflict of privacy in this case.

Click here: https://drive.google.com/a/lisk.io/file/d/0B7DjyOJhmpJkNDdxckYtaXpfSXM/view


If you are not on the list then please note that there are only the names for week 1 and 2 listed. Many of you came after that and you will be on the list next week.

yeah least it could help the other see where they are on signatures in a campaign of this project, I believe that you notice it, good luck with this project and I became part of this thread, success for all the team and this community, cheers

[LiskHQ]

This weeks bounty summary:

I just wrote down all Facebook likers (110 stakes), Twitter followers (302 stakes), Newsletter subscribers (955 stakes), Signature participants (93 stakes) and translators (27 stakes).

Week #1 Values

Please note that there is an unusual high number of newsletter subscribers. We suspect that these are fake emails. We are using Mailchimp to send out our newsletters, and we can see user ratings there. That means we can see if a user is reading a newsletter or not. At the end of the newsletter bounty campaign we can filter out all fake emails this way.

Here you can view the signature stakes for the second week. The other lists won't be released, because there exists a privacy conflict.

Thank you very much.

I can't see me on these sig stats?? please can you review this. thanks.

I will add you, as I know that you added it before. Seems like your signature slipped through. Even though I wish you would make it more beautiful. I know the life as a "newbie" rank member is hard here.  


Tomorrow you will find yourself on this list for week 2.

thanks very much I am following this project keenly. I am actually a hero member but they hacked my account. theymos is hopefully going to give it back to me soon.

another question is i don't have any facebook or social media since my gf deleted it all and changed the emails. Can i get credits for getting other people to give facebook likes and messaging you?

Sorry to hear that. Wish you the best!

You can't get bounty stakes for other people you convinced to like/follow Lisk. Sorry.

LiskHQ

I am reading Whitepaper and Developing section (https://lisk.io/documentation?i=lisk-dapps-docs/README) now.
But I don't find a way to prevent dapps from change by owner.

As example: someone created list-btc exchange dapp. Customers inspect the source of dapp and
don't find something worried. Code is clear and safe. They send funds (lisk, btc) to dapp.

Can dapps owner change the dapp code and steal the funds?
What will happen with the funds If the dapp stops working?
Are there some way to prevent dapp from change by owner?
Can I create a trustful dapp secured by mainchain?

By tomorrow I have updated the whitepaper.



"Dapp owners": Is the person who developed the decentralized application and I presume he also has at least 1 master node running. (WRITE/READ)

"Dapp master node": One of maximum 101 sidechain forgers. (WRITE/READ)

"Dapp user": Regular user who is simply running the dapp. (READ-only)


Let's say in our scenario there are 101 sidechain master nodes, this is the best case and equals Lisk itself. There are now different scenarios.

Dapp owner changes the source code on e.g. GitHub: This can be seen as a regular update for the dapp, either soft or hard fork. Similar to an update for crypto-currencies. The network itself isn't affected as long as nodes don't update.

Dapp owner/any master node owner changes only the source code on his own master node: Here it matters where he made the changes. If the changes are in non-critical areas (I can't define the critical areas in general, e.g. a critical area is block generation, a non-critical is frontend) nothing happens and he can still participate as a sidechain forger. However, if a critical area is affected his generated blocks won't be accepted by the sidechain and he will land on a fork. The whole network won't fork here, only his own node.

Many master nodes update to latest hard fork version:

x nodes: There will be two networks active. One on the majority and one on the minority of the master nodes. Users will have to choose which fork they chose.

nearly all nodes: A huge majority inherently decides which fork is the "main" path. Therefore this can be seen as a hard fork which may occur with regular updates. (e.g. at Bitcoin the increase of Block size)

Many individual dapp users change their dapp: Nothing happens to the network itself, because these users don't generate new sidechain blocks.



So, in conclusion this is exactly the same behaviour as in crypto-currencies like Bitcoin or Nxt. If a dapp owner wants to introduce new features he should do it with milestones, that means at a certain blockchain height the new feature will be activated. This way the master nodes have a certain timeframe to switch to the update (or may decide against it).