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[ysell]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

[machico]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

Do they use the same name?

[ysell]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

Do they use the same name?

Yes. The feedback about crowdfunding was extremely positive. There are some complexities that my brain cannont comprehend at this point in the night. It will take 2-3 developers to complete the Zerocoin element. If we crowdfund one component part of zerocoin for example "RPC create spend", this part interacts with "RPC get seeding spend proofs", it will likely need changing later on, test more and on it goes. Therefore there is no easy way of crowdfunding component parts as each part interacts with another, thus there are interchangable cogs to get the zerocoin system moving, each involving more than one developer continually configuring and testing collaboratively to produce a Zerocoin solution. I am not so clued up on crowd funding, so how could this sort of development be crowdfunded?

Machico - rather than filling up the forum pages with our crowdfunding drafts, could we possibly PM each other and post a final draft that others can analyse and feedback on. I'm just a bit concerned about filling the forum's with too much noise. I've told the guys on irc2p that I would be sending our draft proposals for checking in a few weeks. I've never been so excited about Anoncoin.

[machico]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

Do they use the same name?

Yes. The feedback about crowdfunding was extremely positive. There are some complexities that my brain cannont comprehend at this point in the night. It will take 2-3 developers to complete the Zerocoin element. If we crowdfund one component part of zerocoin for example "RPC create spend", this part interacts with "RPC get seeding spend proofs", it will likely need changing later on, test more and on it goes. Therefore there is no easy way of crowdfunding component parts as each part interacts with another, thus there are interchangable cogs to get the zerocoin system moving, each involving more than one developer continually configuring and testing collaboratively to produce a Zerocoin solution. I am not so clued up on crowd funding, so how could this sort of development be crowdfunded?

Machico - rather than filling up the forum pages with our crowdfunding drafts, could we possibly PM each other and post a final draft that others can analyse and feedback on. I'm just a bit concerned about filling the forum's with too much noise. I've told the guys on irc2p that I would be sending our draft proposals for checking in a few weeks. I've never been so excited about Anoncoin.

Great! That means if we can get some funding, the developers will help us.

I personally think we should try one single crowdfunding for all three stages of development. Obviously we need to outline all three stages in the proposal and at what stage Anoncoin is at the moment. The first think we need to calculate is the final cost for all three stages. Moreover, if we are successful with the crowdfunding, we need to have a long term plan to generate some revenue to pay the continuous configuration.

Did they say how much they would charge for all three stages and how long it would take? Lets start PMing after others have given their opinion.  



  

[machico]

Here is the guide for https://www.indiegogo.com

https://files.indiegogo.com/hubfs/Assets/IGG-Campaigner-Field-Guide.pdf

[HPt]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

Do they use the same name?

Yes. The feedback about crowdfunding was extremely positive. There are some complexities that my brain cannont comprehend at this point in the night. It will take 2-3 developers to complete the Zerocoin element. If we crowdfund one component part of zerocoin for example "RPC create spend", this part interacts with "RPC get seeding spend proofs", it will likely need changing later on, test more and on it goes. Therefore there is no easy way of crowdfunding component parts as each part interacts with another, thus there are interchangable cogs to get the zerocoin system moving, each involving more than one developer continually configuring and testing collaboratively to produce a Zerocoin solution. I am not so clued up on crowd funding, so how could this sort of development be crowdfunded?

Machico - rather than filling up the forum pages with our crowdfunding drafts, could we possibly PM each other and post a final draft that others can analyse and feedback on. I'm just a bit concerned about filling the forum's with too much noise. I've told the guys on irc2p that I would be sending our draft proposals for checking in a few weeks. I've never been so excited about Anoncoin.

Hi ysell, machico, and others,
as an anoncoin holder I appreciate your efforts. But I wonder:
a) how do you intend to incentivize the crowdfunders to spend money on this project. I mean, there are no anoncoins available that could be distributed to them in return for the money they provide (like in an ICO).
b) to my understanding, most of the Anoncoin developers are anonymous and intend to stay so. How would you make sure that they don't take the money and then simply disappear. (If I remember right, it happened before that Anoncoin was pumped by announcing Zerocoin and then the responsible developer suddenly never was seen again.)
c) most of the Anoncoin developers probably hold a considerable stack of Anoncoin. Given that currently there's no real anonymous currency (most ZEC transactions use t-addresses, most Monero transactions turned out to be linkable), they could make a killing by implementing Zerocoin. So, the financial incentive is alread there. The fact that there's still no Zerocoin suggests that the developers simply are not able to implement it. For this reason, an additional financial incentive probably won't have much of an effect.

[ysell]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

Do they use the same name?

Yes. The feedback about crowdfunding was extremely positive. There are some complexities that my brain cannont comprehend at this point in the night. It will take 2-3 developers to complete the Zerocoin element. If we crowdfund one component part of zerocoin for example "RPC create spend", this part interacts with "RPC get seeding spend proofs", it will likely need changing later on, test more and on it goes. Therefore there is no easy way of crowdfunding component parts as each part interacts with another, thus there are interchangable cogs to get the zerocoin system moving, each involving more than one developer continually configuring and testing collaboratively to produce a Zerocoin solution. I am not so clued up on crowd funding, so how could this sort of development be crowdfunded?

Machico - rather than filling up the forum pages with our crowdfunding drafts, could we possibly PM each other and post a final draft that others can analyse and feedback on. I'm just a bit concerned about filling the forum's with too much noise. I've told the guys on irc2p that I would be sending our draft proposals for checking in a few weeks. I've never been so excited about Anoncoin.

Hi ysell, machico, and others,
as an anoncoin holder I appreciate your efforts. But I wonder:
a) how do you intend to incentivize the crowdfunders to spend money on this project. I mean, there are no anoncoins available that could be distributed to them in return for the money they provide (like in an ICO).
b) to my understanding, most of the Anoncoin developers are anonymous and intend to stay so. How would you make sure that they don't take the money and then simply disappear. (If I remember right, it happened before that Anoncoin was pumped by announcing Zerocoin and then the responsible developer suddenly never was seen again.)
c) most of the Anoncoin developers probably hold a considerable stack of Anoncoin. Given that currently there's no real anonymous currency (most ZEC transactions use t-addresses, most Monero transactions turned out to be linkable), they could make a killing by implementing Zerocoin. So, the financial incentive is alread there. The fact that there's still no Zerocoin suggests that the developers simply are not able to implement it. For this reason, an additional financial incentive probably won't have much of an effect.

Gnosis is not around to finish zerocoin. The response on irc2p  was that the final stages of zerocoin will involve 2-3 developers. The problem seems to be;
*how do you check Zerocoin is complete without thorough testing
*who checks authenticity (I'm no developer)
*how do you fairly pay those developers contributing so that they are paid for their contributed efforts

Your questions
A) The starting 3 years of mining coins was producing a 10% income for developers. This is bound to stifle innovation and development after the 3 year period. Personally I see crowd funding as the best option. Payment can be made in FIAT or Bitcoin as there are not enough Anoncoin mining to continue the ICO type scenario
B) a bag and run would be prevented as the checks on authenticity of the zerocoin  would be carried out before payout. A delay on payout could be set after a set period of positive testing.
C) financial incentive for zerocoin is not as prevalent as you say as the Zerocoin element is crucial to it's increased value. Therefore new zerocoin developers would be required to increase value and they may not hold ANC. Thus The incentive to new developers of completing Zerocoin is the problem we wish to solve with crowd funding. This would lead to current holders ANC assets increasing in value, and miners incentivised to continue mining etc.

Just as a side note, I would suggest developers of zerocoin buy large amounts of ANC in order that when they complete the crowd funding project, they receive a double whammy of finance as their ANC holdings increase and they receive a payout from the crowd funding.

[machico]

Ysell - Good job mate.

X68N - Thank you for that. I will wait for yobit.net to reply and then we can update the registration with the payment.

Regarding the crowdfunding, the first thing we need to think about is how much we need to raise to take Anoncoin forward as the best Altcoin.
 

Thanks Cryptoslave & Machico

It would probably add to the strength and backing of the coin if some of the main developers were to give their support of the crowd funding and provide some indicators of deliverables they themselves prioritise as essential for the coin's prosperity. We could get this via irc2p, but for the initial purpose of authenticity, most people would prefer to read it first hand here. When crowd funding, I propose a seperate crowd fund for each deliverable? This way, if a developer were to inform us of a crucial element and put forward zerocoin, and another were to prioritise marketing we could put our money where we,  as investors want results.

I agree ysell.

CS - After the Yobit listing request, can you list your priorities at the moment and future deliverables so we can start planing a strategy to move forward.

To developers
Can I also add that It would be advantageous to put the costings for what you feel would be a proportionate financial goal for each deliverable. We all have to earn to put food on the table, pay bills etc so it's only fair that you are paid for the amount of days, weeks or months this will take to implement.  It is understandable that you would choose paid work over non paid ANC work, so I think it's only fair that you are provided with appropriate donations for your ANC efforts.

I know it's a weekend and there's not going to be lots of chat happening on #Anoncoin, but there are only 5 members logged in at the moment. Could someone tell me all the usernames of developers on irc2p so that I can point them to this discussion? I guess their usernames maybe different on irc2p.  Thanks

CS has mentioned their names on here but as you said, they might have different names on irc2p.

Gnosis
lunokhod
Meeh
Ssuag

I was logged into the wrong network. All sorted now. Thanks

Do they use the same name?

Yes. The feedback about crowdfunding was extremely positive. There are some complexities that my brain cannont comprehend at this point in the night. It will take 2-3 developers to complete the Zerocoin element. If we crowdfund one component part of zerocoin for example "RPC create spend", this part interacts with "RPC get seeding spend proofs", it will likely need changing later on, test more and on it goes. Therefore there is no easy way of crowdfunding component parts as each part interacts with another, thus there are interchangable cogs to get the zerocoin system moving, each involving more than one developer continually configuring and testing collaboratively to produce a Zerocoin solution. I am not so clued up on crowd funding, so how could this sort of development be crowdfunded?

Machico - rather than filling up the forum pages with our crowdfunding drafts, could we possibly PM each other and post a final draft that others can analyse and feedback on. I'm just a bit concerned about filling the forum's with too much noise. I've told the guys on irc2p that I would be sending our draft proposals for checking in a few weeks. I've never been so excited about Anoncoin.

Hi ysell, machico, and others,
as an anoncoin holder I appreciate your efforts. But I wonder:
a) how do you intend to incentivize the crowdfunders to spend money on this project. I mean, there are no anoncoins available that could be distributed to them in return for the money they provide (like in an ICO).
b) to my understanding, most of the Anoncoin developers are anonymous and intend to stay so. How would you make sure that they don't take the money and then simply disappear. (If I remember right, it happened before that Anoncoin was pumped by announcing Zerocoin and then the responsible developer suddenly never was seen again.)
c) most of the Anoncoin developers probably hold a considerable stack of Anoncoin. Given that currently there's no real anonymous currency (most ZEC transactions use t-addresses, most Monero transactions turned out to be linkable), they could make a killing by implementing Zerocoin. So, the financial incentive is alread there. The fact that there's still no Zerocoin suggests that the developers simply are not able to implement it. For this reason, an additional financial incentive probably won't have much of an effect.

Gnosis is not around to finish zerocoin. The response on irc2p  was that the final stages of zerocoin will involve 2-3 developers. The problem seems to be;
*how do you check Zerocoin is complete without thorough testing
*who checks authenticity (I'm no developer)
*how do you fairly pay those developers contributing so that they are paid for their contributed efforts

Your questions
A) The starting 3 years of mining coins was producing a 10% income for developers. This is bound to stifle innovation and development after the 3 year period. Personally I see crowd funding as the best option. Payment can be made in FIAT or Bitcoin as there are not enough Anoncoin mining to continue the ICO type scenario
B) a bag and run would be prevented as the checks on authenticity of the zerocoin  would be carried out before payout. A delay on payout could be set after a set period of positive testing.
C) financial incentive for zerocoin is not as prevalent as you say as the Zerocoin element is crucial to it's increased value. Therefore new zerocoin developers would be required to increase value and they may not hold ANC. Thus The incentive to new developers of completing Zerocoin is the problem we wish to solve with crowd funding. This would lead to current holders ANC assets increasing in value, and miners incentivised to continue mining etc.

Just as a side note, I would suggest developers of zerocoin buy large amounts of ANC in order that when they complete the crowd funding project, they receive a double whammy of finance as their ANC holdings increase and they receive a payout from the crowd funding.

I think we could easily raise 500-1000 ANC and give 1 ANC per donation. In crowdfunding, one does give like for like in terms of value but as a gesture of gratitude.

CS - Could you please answer this question.

c) most of the Anoncoin developers probably hold a considerable stack of Anoncoin. Given that currently there's no real anonymous currency (most ZEC transactions use t-addresses, most Monero transactions turned out to be linkable), they could make a killing by implementing Zerocoin. So, the financial incentive is already there. The fact that there's still no Zerocoin suggests that the developers simply are not able to implement it. For this reason, an additional financial incentive probably won't have much of an effect.

[machico]

We really need to know how much it will cost to implement zerocoin. Without that, it will be difficult to plan a crowdfunding strategy including the 'thank you' gesture.

[ysell]

Can someone with some developer brains compare https://zcoin.io/get-zcoin/ implementation of zerocoin with ANC Anoncoin zerocoin work. It looks like the zerocoin content could be downloaded from github.com and added to the ANC to create a hardfork https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin.

ANC has the added benefit of having and integrated i2p tunnel. With my limited coding knowledge I've just gone through a bit of code and it looks very similar to ANC. I can't be the only one to have seen this?  I'll get on irc2p and talk over the code. If this is the case, there is no need to crowdfund the zerocoin elements, but rather fund the integration of this existing zerocoin code into the ANC system. I'm struggling to see how it's much different than a cut and paste. Okay that's a bit exaggerated, but surely there must be a developer able to do this?

[machico]

Can someone with some developer brains compare https://zcoin.io/get-zcoin/ implementation of zerocoin with ANC Anoncoin zerocoin work. It looks like the zerocoin content could be downloaded from github.com and added to the ANC to create a hardfork https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin.

ANC has the added benefit of having and integrated i2p tunnel. With my limited coding knowledge I've just gone through a bit of code and it looks very similar to ANC. I can't be the only one to have seen this?  I'll get on irc2p and talk over the code. If this is the case, there is no need to crowdfund the zerocoin elements, but rather fund the integration of this existing zerocoin code into the ANC system. I'm struggling to see how it's much different than a cut and paste. Okay that's a bit exaggerated, but surely there must be a developer able to do this?

I can add nothing here. I have no coding knowledge.

CS - What do you think?

[X68N]

i think from my pov as trader/investor that exchanges are cruicial for any coin.

ANC is the underdog in terms of the coinmakretcap but hasthe advantage that its more popular in Asia (BTC38) than the other crypto coins.
Since BTC38 is paused. The Tor exchange is dead too.(in the past we had 4-5 exchanges.The only exchanges left now are Nova for clearnet and the i2pexchangeD which is impossible to acces for me since my router is NAT (and many other non-tech users too). (curios fact: anoncoin-i2p works fine with NAT)

So we are 1 exchange away from mainstream extinction. Thats why i suggested to crowdfund for YoBit.

Anothe idea would be this @ CryptoSlave: Is it possible to add a inhouse exchange into the anoncoin client?
(this could be implemented with some sort of anon chat protocol i think. if yes how difficult would it be?)

[machico]

i think from my pov as trader/investor that exchanges are cruicial for any coin.

ANC is the underdog in terms of the coinmakretcap but hasthe advantage that its more popular in Asia (BTC38) than the other crypto coins.
Since BTC38 is paused. The Tor exchange is dead too.(in the past we had 4-5 exchanges.The only exchanges left now are Nova for clearnet and the i2pexchangeD which is impossible to acces for me since my router is NAT (and many other non-tech users too). (curios fact: anoncoin-i2p works fine with NAT)

So we are 1 exchange away from mainstream extinction. Thats why i suggested to crowdfund for YoBit.

Another idea would be this @ CryptoSlave: Is it possible to add a in-house exchange into the anoncoin client?
(this could be implemented with some sort of anon chat protocol i think. if yes how difficult would it be?)

X68N - I think we will get into yobit at some point. They have loads of crappy coins there compared to ANC.

In relation to ANC in general, we need a complete re-organisation for ANC to survive. We need a clear plan for the next 5 years including revenue streams for continuous development. Furthermore, your idea for an exchange initially to trade ANC vs BTC, LTC, Zcash, Monero, ETH, ETC, Dash, etc, is a great idea. That could be the revenue stream ANC needs. We could create a second crowdfunding proposal for a Cryptocurrency exchange whereby we could give some equity to the donors and use it to support ANC. Ysell & CS, what do you think about this idea?

[X68N]

i think at the start there should only 3 coins added:
BTC (most known, but slow as fk) ,
LTC (second oldest succsessful way faster)
ETH newcomer but already traded on many Exchanges.

Coinmarketcap is not a very unbiased indicator* so i made a research on how many exchanges the coins are traded and how the moneyflow
is distributed on all exchanges where the coin is traded. *some coins in the Top10 have only 1-3 exchanges with massive volume,
but imaginge if that exchange vanishes (hack,fraud,gov regulation fail,DDOS) like MtGox.Cryptsy and so on. The The coin will drop instant out
of the Top ten. So here is my research:



i think monero should not be added at the start since it will give them a feature "for free".
Give me some counter arguments to that statement pls

does anyone know if Digibyte of bytecoin have some "anon" features?

[machico]

i think at the start there should only 3 coins added:
BTC (most known, but slow as fk) ,
LTC (second oldest succsessful way faster)
ETH newcomer but already traded on many Exchanges.

Coinmarketcap is not a very unbiased indicator* so i made a research on how many exchanges the coins are traded and how the moneyflow
is distributed on all exchanges where the coin is traded. *some coins in the Top10 have only 1-3 exchanges with massive volume,
but imaginge if that exchange vanishes (hack,fraud,gov regulation fail,DDOS) like MtGox.Cryptsy and so on. The The coin will drop instant out
of the Top ten. So here is my research:



i think monero should not be added at the start since it will give them a feature "for free".
Give me some counter arguments to that statement pls

does anyone know if Digibyte of bytecoin have some "anon" features?

Good research. I think Digibyte does but CS is probably the best person to confirm that.

[ysell]

i think at the start there should only 3 coins added:
BTC (most known, but slow as fk) ,
LTC (second oldest succsessful way faster)
ETH newcomer but already traded on many Exchanges.

Coinmarketcap is not a very unbiased indicator* so i made a research on how many exchanges the coins are traded and how the moneyflow
is distributed on all exchanges where the coin is traded. *some coins in the Top10 have only 1-3 exchanges with massive volume,
but imaginge if that exchange vanishes (hack,fraud,gov regulation fail,DDOS) like MtGox.Cryptsy and so on. The The coin will drop instant out
of the Top ten. So here is my research:



i think monero should not be added at the start since it will give them a feature "for free".
Give me some counter arguments to that statement pls

does anyone know if Digibyte of bytecoin have some "anon" features?

I have used exchanged.i2p and thought it was pretty good. There are some improvements that could be made, but considering it's up and running already it would be great to continue using it. Personally I don't think it's a good idea to single out competitive currency as it removes portability for those interested in crossing over from inferior privacy tech like zcash.

Cryptoslave : I don't know if this has already been considered but could we possibly fork the zcoin project and bolt on the i2p infrastructure afterwards,  saving time trying to integrate zcoin code into existing Anoncoin code?

The fact that Meeh is still working on i2p integrations for other coins means he would be the man for this job. I tried to contact Meeh last night, but he wasn't around.

What do you think Cryptoslave?

[machico]

CS - Does anoncoin own the anonexchange.com domain?

[machico]

i think at the start there should only 3 coins added:
BTC (most known, but slow as fk) ,
LTC (second oldest succsessful way faster)
ETH newcomer but already traded on many Exchanges.

Coinmarketcap is not a very unbiased indicator* so i made a research on how many exchanges the coins are traded and how the moneyflow
is distributed on all exchanges where the coin is traded. *some coins in the Top10 have only 1-3 exchanges with massive volume,
but imaginge if that exchange vanishes (hack,fraud,gov regulation fail,DDOS) like MtGox.Cryptsy and so on. The The coin will drop instant out
of the Top ten. So here is my research:



i think monero should not be added at the start since it will give them a feature "for free".
Give me some counter arguments to that statement pls

does anyone know if Digibyte of bytecoin have some "anon" features?

I have used exchanged.i2p and thought it was pretty good. There are some improvements that could be made, but considering it's up and running already it would be great to continue using it. Personally I don't think it's a good idea to single out competitive currency as it removes portability for those interested in crossing over from inferior privacy tech like zcash.

Cryptoslave : I don't know if this has already been considered but could we possibly fork the zcoin project and bolt on the i2p infrastructure afterwards,  saving time trying to integrate zcoin code into existing Anoncoin code?

The fact that Meeh is still working on i2p integrations for other coins means he would be the man for this job. I tried to contact Meeh last night, but he wasn't around.

What do you think Cryptoslave?

Very interesting article. Bitcoin is now only 47% of the altcoin market.

http://www.visualcapitalist.com/chart-coin-universe-keeps-expanding/

[X68N]

my opinion is i did  like the altcoins from the start on more than BTC.
Today i dislike BTC even more than in the past because
- its slow af (i have 40 min transfertime)
- transfers can get stuck when you send with the wrong "fee/byte"-rate which is fucked up because the fee is flexible as i understand
  and if the fee is rising slowly your transaction will stuck, For me one needed ~20 hours! But it can get much worse see
  https://bitcoinfees.21.co/
- Bitcoin was propagated as alternative to the Banks with their high fees but now bitcoin fees become expensive themselves!
- Bitcoin as liberation from the Central Bank authority but these days bitcoin it self is not decentral but instead controled by a handful of  
   people  with the private keys to change the code.
- The Client needs 6-10 days to download and ~125GB Harddisk (Litecoin needs only 8GB even with a much faster Blocktime)
- only 4 connections on average (ANCi2p has 18 lol)

Overall its bulky and there are better coins aviable.
The only thing positive for me about BTC is the high price

Also 1 currency only  is unnatural, competition in the free market brings evoloution.

[ysell]

After all the Windows based issues in the news regarding hacking. A more secure Linux wallet would be ideal. I've created this tutorial in making a portable, wallet, with a flash drive bootable Linux OS. I've tested it thoroughly and see no issues with it. Please give me feedback http://www.docomputing.co.uk/running-the-anoncoin-wallet-on-a-flash-drive-usb/index.html

It's a super fast wallet, i2p and Operating system and the great thing is you can set it up as cold storage. Exposing your wallet to limited Internet time reduces the possibility of hacking. Going to ask the development team if they want to include my version on the Wiki.

Next job is to get zerocoin configured. Going to check over the existing zerocoin code in the next few weeks and see what can be done. If there's any developers not on irc2p that want to contribute, please get on irc2p and let the team know if you're available to contribute.

Machico, could you please give me your thoughts on crowd funding. I will ask the developers what they think a fair price for creating a zerocoin solution would be. I was thinking if the crowd funding  price was high enough, it would gain more interest, and possibly lead to greater PR, an attractive solution  for new developers etc. If we propose a complete zerocoin solution rather than broken down deliverables it may incourage a team of developers to get involved, work together and they can then divide the proceeds between themselves once a zerocoin solution has been established. What do you and X68N think?