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Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26907968 times)
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August 24, 2015, 11:35:02 PM

Funny how these quarrels amongst coders get so many people so excited when we are actually just on our way down from willy/markus artificial highs towards the actual production cost of bitcoin (as any "regular" commodity would behave). As long the max amount of btc has not been mined (or that event is even poking from the far horizon), the amount of cash needed to mine a bitcoin is where the price is pulling.

Yes that is kitchen economics, but ffs that´s just how stuff works.  

Fear not forks, fear free energy.



Wrong.

As long as there is speculation and demand the price can remain above production cost indefinitely.

You presume every mined coin is sold which is an asinine assumption.

The caveat of course is the price can also go below production if existing coins are added to the supply side.

The point being to use the cost of production as a metric for the true price is misinformed.
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August 24, 2015, 11:41:36 PM

I sold everything waiting to buy back sub 100, #besttraderever

Legendary Noob, bottom seller. Pathetic...
lmao!


$200 inkoming ~ $175 test most likely imo * splitting the coin up from here will yield $100 post-split corns,,
-- not a bad place to pump from !!! :-) ready-set >>>weeeeeeee
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August 24, 2015, 11:44:37 PM


175$ could get tested. but with the looming nerd-fight until january 2016 there maybe not enough interest for a reaction.
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August 24, 2015, 11:54:44 PM

Fear not forks, fear free energy.
For some of us it's not about fear, Bitcoin is how we get there.
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August 24, 2015, 11:55:12 PM

This is brutal
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August 25, 2015, 12:02:45 AM

Coin
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August 25, 2015, 12:06:21 AM

But still Bitcoin is the best investment option than stock market.
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August 25, 2015, 12:10:19 AM

This is brutal

not really. btc just facing reality. being the first isn't sufficient anymore and the store of value
perception depends mostly on vc interests lately.
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August 25, 2015, 12:12:36 AM

starting to think there no need to increase block size limit because bitcoin will soon not be used at all

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I sold everything waiting to buy back sub 100, #besttraderever

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The only pathetic persons seems to be the one that can't see adam's banter for what it is.
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August 25, 2015, 12:14:11 AM

mass adoption will not improve bitcoin's store of value, it is quite the opposite actually, it will flood and drown it.  [ ... ] but it's its scarcity both in cap and transaction that will allow it to surpass any regular investment.

Scarcity alone will not make bitcoin valuable.  There is a finite and fixed supply of tickets for last month's issue of the Pennsylvania Lottery; but they are quite worthless.  Ditto for Zimbabwean dollar bills, Litecoins, Dogecoins, and any other altcoin.  

Back in ~Nov/2013, when I first became aware of bitcoin, the "gospel" was that bitcoin's value would derive from it capturing some fraction of the market (or the whole market) of PayPal, Visa, of the US dollar.  That is what Antonopoulos and all the bitcoin gurus used to say every time.  There was a slide by A. with such projections, ending with 1 BTC = 1 million USD or so -- all based on the money velocity equation (P = V x T / N, where P is the price USD/BTC, V is the volume of payments in USD/day, T is the mean number of days between reuses of the same coin, and N is the number of coins in circulation, namely 21 M BTC).

In particular, bitcoin was supposed to be much more vaulable that altcoins because of the "network effect" and the "first player's advantage", which would ensure that bitcoin, and not the altcoins, would be used for e-commerce.

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it is its robustness against human miscalculations, its decentralization, its permission-less-ness and its network's security that matters.

None of these things will determine the price of bitcoin.  Old PA Lottery tickets are permissionless and decentralized (you can transact them anywhere without intermediaries), not affected by human miscalculations (they are just printed pieces of paper), and quite secure (it is practically impossible to forge them so as to fool modern microanalysis equipment).  But they are worthless, all the same.

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that is so wrong on so many levels and in total opposition with bitcoin's fundamentals.

Bitcoin was created because there was no system for peer-to-peer electronic payments that did not require a trusted intermediary or central authority; and Satoshi thought that he had figured out a way to build one.  That is the "fundamentals" of bitcoin.  

The world did not (and does not) need another speculative investment instrument, or another system for buying computers from Dell, or a police-proof system to pay for cocaine, guns, and fake passports.   Destroying banks, governments, and government-issued currencies are stupid goals, because no one knows how to make a functioning society without them.  Bitcoin was not created for such purposes, and none of those purposes justifies its exstence.

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but for now, gavin et al had exactly what they wanted, that is dividing the community and induce fear

Please.... That is what Blockstream did.  The mess is all their fault.  If you want to save bitcoin, for any purpose, you should get it out of their hands.  

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the rules should be set in stone, and not subject to any major modification and by anyone, or that would create a precedent.

That is not a sensible wish, not even logical.  

For example, next year the block reward will be cut in half.  Why isn't that that a change in the rules?   If the reward is NOT halved, would that be a change?

The 1 MB size limit was meant to be raised by a hard fork, just as the reward was meant to be halved:

It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
    maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.

A congested network and a "fee market" were totally not the original design; isn't it a (big!) change to allow those things to occur?  
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August 25, 2015, 12:22:10 AM

One thing is for sure and you can quote me on this later. This whole XT mess will go away at some point when all the devs get together and sort it out, agree to future pull requests etc. When that happens god help the shorts.
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August 25, 2015, 12:24:28 AM

One thing is for sure and you can quote me on this later. This whole XT mess will go away at some point when all the devs get together and sort it out, agree to future pull requests etc. When that happens god help the shorts.
That will never happen until Blockstream is removed from the equation.
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August 25, 2015, 12:27:13 AM

http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf
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August 25, 2015, 12:29:55 AM

Sub $200 about to be tested.

More cheap coins coming.
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August 25, 2015, 12:30:34 AM


block size has to be increased. thats for sure! its just a matter of HOW. XT is the bullys way of forcing things. better is BIP100 or 102
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August 25, 2015, 12:30:45 AM

Looks to me like Bitfinex is slowly unwinding their leveraged longs....everytime i refresh the stats page longs are slowly going down.


https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats
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August 25, 2015, 12:33:33 AM

Get ready for $1xx and lower !
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August 25, 2015, 12:35:23 AM


block size has to be increased. thats for sure! its just a matter of HOW. XT is the bullys way of forcing things. better is BIP100 or 102

with miners voting we will soon see which is popular with the miners, and after this much BS about BIP100..105 i expect them be willing to change their vote to the most popular in order to get consensus. XT is horribly unpopular, but i do believe he 8MB option and XT would end up being the same chain just different clients.

i'd pick bip100 but i really don't give a shit who wins as long as someone wins.
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August 25, 2015, 12:37:46 AM


block size has to be increased. thats for sure! its just a matter of HOW. XT is the bullys way of forcing things. better is BIP100 or 102

without XT we wouldn't even talk about it, would we?
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i'd pick bip100 but i really don't give a shit who wins as long as someone wins.

and exactly thats the important point. there will most likely be no end to this until dec/jan.
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