BFL refund through Paypal claim

[k9quaint]

All sales are final and they use paypal ?

how does that work ? paypal has 45day pre-order terms

A sale is not a sale until the merchandise is shipped to the customer. What BFL is saying is "after you get your stuff, we will not give you your money back".
This actually has nothing to do with pre-order investors who have not yet received their miners. 

[Syke]

All sales are final and they use paypal ?

how does that work ? paypal has 45day pre-order terms

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/helpcenter/article/?solutionId=39067&topicID=11500005&m=TCI

Guarantees shipment within 20 days from the date of purchase.

20 days. BFL quoting 60+ days for delivery has always been in direct violation of PayPal policies.

[terrapinflyer]

Got my refund yesterday!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh22z6r1u8fzrdn/Screen%20Shot%202013-08-27%20at%202.05.41%20AM.png

After a few hours on the phone and some nasty emails I got my money out of that pit. Even had PP refund a pre order purchased on ebay all in one shot. 

[k9quaint]

Got my refund yesterday!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh22z6r1u8fzrdn/Screen%20Shot%202013-08-27%20at%202.05.41%20AM.png

After a few hours on the phone and some nasty emails I got my money out of that pit. Even had PP refund a pre order purchased on ebay all in one shot. 

Good to hear! Could you share the process you went through in more detail so that others can benefit from it?

[terrapinflyer]

Got my refund yesterday!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh22z6r1u8fzrdn/Screen%20Shot%202013-08-27%20at%202.05.41%20AM.png

After a few hours on the phone and some nasty emails I got my money out of that pit. Even had PP refund a pre order purchased on ebay all in one shot.  

Good to hear! Could you share the process you went through in more detail so that others can benefit from it?

Yea for sure. Basically after literally being laughed at by a PP agent I called my bank and explained to them PP's response. They where happy to reverse my charges even though it was way past there 90 day policy.  After I called back PP and explained that I had reversed the charges, they told me that this was the only way to open a case after the 45 day limit. They in turn charged BFL and I got my refund that day. All and all it was pretty painless it just took a few hours on the phone and a few joints to calm down after but I win so...
I hope this helps some people good luck getting your money back, I already started hashing the money they where holding.