Why I wouldn't buy Ledger ever again?

[dkbit98]

But I think it fits quite well in here. Plus it will make dkbit98 happy when someone brings up a negative thing about Ledger.

Oh but I expected to see something much more serious than stuff you reported, and I have to be honest and say that anything related with ledger doesn't make me happy in any way.
I think it's probably more related with shitcoin network and tokens you are using, so better ask for customer support from Justin Sun  

It seems the memory issue that dkbit98 mentioned last year, it's starting ^[somewhat] to protrude from the surface ^[source] while it hasn't even been a month since they've sold the remaining stock!

I wouldn't say that small memory size was the reason for this issue, but it will create more problems down the road for sure.
He can always buy new ledger S plus device to test if same thing is happening, and he will get extra free dust (below the screen).  
Some people running Linux are reporting issues with S plus, so pay attention on this, but I think Pmalek loves Gates so he is still using wiNd0ws spyware os:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/wo6wzj/issues_with_ledger_nano_plus/

[Pmalek]

Some people running Linux are reporting issues with S plus, so pay attention on this, but I think Pmalek loves Gates so he is still using wiNd0ws spyware os:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/wo6wzj/issues_with_ledger_nano_plus/

Nah, Gates is no longer involved with Windows. He is more into vaccine spyware right now.

Regarding the issue you linked to, I have seen problems related to Ledger failing the genuine test before. Sometimes it's the cable, other times it's the USB port, or local firewall/AV settings that prevent the software from communicating with Ledger's servers.

This is one of the recommendations their support team issues in such a case:

I understand that you are having some difficulties connecting your Ledger device to Ledger Live, don't worry, this is a common issue that can be troubleshot fairly easily, you might have done some of the steps below, but please double-check to make sure that all of them are followed thoroughly:

Launch Ledger Live as administrator (right-click on the app icon then "Run as Administrator"), this is very crucial.

Use the original USB cable that came with the device.

If you don't have the original Ledger cable anymore: make sure you are using a cable that enables data transfer, instead of just a charging cable.

Try to use another USB port and try connecting without a USB hub/dongle if you're using one.

Close all other programs running on your computer, especially the third-party wallets.

Turn off your anti-virus, VPN, and firewall temporarily. Whitelist Ledger Live if possible.

Update your drivers if an update is available, you can find instructions on how to do so in this article).

Restart your computer.

The cable especially needs your attention. If you don't have the original Ledger cable anymore, we recommend you buy a new one that you are sure that allows data transfer. Feel free to also check out our OTG kit as it supplies a set of 3 different cables to help you connect your hardware wallet to your Android phone or laptop.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/stuy32/comment/hx6e9dv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

On a different note, the good old Ledger Nano S has been retired and is no longer mentioned on the official site. Under products, there is only the Nano X and the Nano S Plus now. Same thing on the shop.

Goodbye old friend...

[SFR10]

The next time I make a Bitcoin transaction, I am not going to sign and broadcast it for a few minutes once the information gets sent over to my Ledger just to see if the same feature is also present with Bitcoin.

Looking forward to seeing the result ^{[as it stands, you're the first to report this design flaw]}.

Ledger's fault is producing a hardware wallet with such limited memory. But I can't blame them for the size increases of individual apps. It would be like blaming Bitcoin Core for each new block that gets added to the blockchain and the resulting decrease of your own disk capacity. 

I completely agree with everything that you said, but at the same time, it has led to more work for other developers ^{[I recently noticed a few of them released two versions for their apps, just so it could fit the nano s a bit longer while also taking out some of its functionalities]} and fewer features for its end-users.

Some people running Linux are reporting issues with S plus,

I have seen problems related to Ledger failing the genuine test before.
~Snipped~

Surprisingly, I didn't know about some of this stuff...

Goodbye old friend...

Unfortunately, the same can't be said with regard to some of its official resellers

[Pmalek]

I completely agree with everything that you said, but at the same time, it has led to more work for other developers ^{[I recently noticed a few of them released two versions for their apps, just so it could fit the nano s a bit longer while also taking out some of its functionalities]} and fewer features for its end-users.

I guess you are talking about the light and XL versions of crypto apps. I wasn't even aware that these existed until someone mentioned it in a different post. Polkadot is one such app, for example. If you have a Nano S and you want to install the Polkatot app, Ledger Live will install the light version by default. But if you have a Nano X/Nano S Plus, you can install the XL version. Some of the features of the XL version aren't supported in the light app. There is even a support article by Polkadot that mentions that if you install the XL version on your Nano S, you won't be able to use your hardware wallet with Ledger Live. I assume you can't work with the Polkadot asset through LL, but it doesn't affect other functionalities of the hardware wallet assuming you have enough storage capacity on your Nano S.

NOTE: Ledger Live natively supports only the light version for the Nano S. If you install the XL version you won't be able to use your Ledger Nano S with Ledger Live.

Source

Unfortunately, the same can't be said with regard to some of its official resellers

Some of them still have the Nano S in their inventory? As soon as that stash is sold, I am sure they will remove any mention of it as well.

[dkbit98]

On a different note, the good old Ledger Nano S has been retired and is no longer mentioned on the official site. Under products, there is only the Nano X and the Nano S Plus now. Same thing on the shop.

RIP Nono S... welcome to big ledger graveyard.
I guess it's time to lock this thread soon, or update it with new title Why I would never buy Ledger Nano X.
Maybe I will wait for some time until biggest official reseller shops stop selling this deprecated devices.

[m2017]

On a different note, the good old Ledger Nano S has been retired and is no longer mentioned on the official site. Under products, there is only the Nano X and the Nano S Plus now. Same thing on the shop.

RIP Nono S... welcome to big ledger graveyard.
I guess it's time to lock this thread soon, or update it with new title Why I would never buy Ledger Nano X.
Maybe I will wait for some time until biggest official reseller shops stop selling this deprecated devices.

On the one hand, it would be a pity if the discussion stops and this topic goes to the back of the forum, because useful experience and information has been accumulated here. In the event that you create a separate new topic dedicated to Nono S+.

On the other hand, model S is different from model S+ and its problems will be somewhat different, so I think it is necessary to separate the discussion of model S from model S+. Also, in the context of the discontinuation of Nano S, the topic name "Why I wouldn't buy Ledger Nano S ever again?" ceases to be relevant.
 
How about devoting a separate new topic to the discussion of Ledger Nano S+, but in the title post provide a link to this topic and make it noticeable by highlighting it? Thus, topic "Why I wouldn't buy Ledger Nano S ever again"? will not be lost among the rest and will be visible to those who will be interested in it.

[dkbit98]

Here is another big reason why you should never use any Ledger devices and Ledger software applications.
Ledger app source code is not closed source, so someone actually decided to check what's inside, and he discovered that it is full of tracking.
Now this guy is trying to clean the code and use it for some shitcoin, but this is Sisyphos work and a waste of time.
He wrote more about this on his twitter page, but it is clear that ledger is tracking everything...every click, every keystroke is logged and reported to Ledger.


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732542258698694875

He released his own version called REKT's Ledger Libre Fork, but be careful if you ever use this:
https://github.com/rektbuildr/ledger-live

Use this ONLY if you have no other choice, maybe for some shitcoin.
For everything else use proven and tested wallets like Electrum, and other open source hardware wallets, not ledger.

[LeGaulois]

I saw it yesterday.

But don't forget that people can block analytics themselves in the ledger live settings.
After all we browsers do the same, and in the same way, people can block that.

It's a part to improve the UX, and so to make it better

[dkbit98]

But don't forget that people can block analytics themselves in the ledger live settings.

No you can't block everything in ledger, you are only getting illusion that you are blocking something.
This dev guy wouldn't waste so much time removing all this crap and creating his own fork if this was so easy.

After all we browsers do the same, and in the same way, people can block that.

You can't seriously compare browsers with hardware wallet applications.

It's a part to improve the UX, and so to make it better

No, it's for collecting more information from customers, and ledger is becoming worse and worse, despite more and more data collection.

[LeGaulois]

It's not an illusion.
You can check it yourself dude.

You can't seriously compare browsers with hardware wallet applications.

I mentionned browsers as I could mention a long list. That's how the www and the techs work.
Websites do it
Softwares do it
OS do it
Phone apps do it.
Devices do it
My wife does it

That's how you find bugs and fix it for example, that's also how you improve the UI or UX, and so on

This dev guy wouldn't waste so much time removing all this crap and creating his own fork if this was so easy.

Let me spin:
LibreWolf dev wouldn't waste so much time removing all Firefox craps and creating his own fork

No, it's for collecting more information from customers

On the top of that, it's not something new. I mean Ledger has been clear about that since a long time
More information that what? It never changed
(it changed in the version <I don't remember wich one> to be honest but that's old) Remember the company needs to follow a few points.

[LeGaulois]

Here we go:

So Metamask is doing the same thing




Metamask here also uses a 1x1 pixel iframe for analytics



it's a hot wallet, yes, so let's see what Trezor, as hadrware wallet does.
Trezor Suite is doing the same and also has opt-out analytics
https://trezor.io/learn/a/user-data-protection

Trezor device.
If you opt in to anonymous data collection, this is only ever used for development purposes.
You can read more about anonymous analytics in the Trezor documentation.

[libert19]

Oh so here I have answer for dim display.

 I only started using it couple years after receiving it, and it's been dim ever since, I thought I mishandled it but apparently it's cheap in itself. Thanks for mobile camera solution, so far I have been using it in dark to get my work done.

Once it dies, I'm gonna migrate to Trezor.

 

[dkbit98]

I don't want to to brag, but I did warn everyone many times not to waste money on ledger Nono S devices.

Ledger just announced they are officially going to discontinue Nono S devices, and they removed it from ledger website just like I predicted.

Ledger graveyard is getting bigger every day, and they are stopping all updates and development for Nono S.

Official confirmation:


https://developers.ledger.com/docs/news

Don't buy any new ledger device crap!
I recommend making a transition to any alternative open source hardware wallet.

[SFR10]

and they removed it from ledger website just like I predicted.

It's worth noting that roughly three months past its EOL date ^{[June 2022]}, they were still selling that piece of junk in their shop ^{[archive of its listing on August 27th of that year]} and despite no warnings back then, they still have the audacity recommending app developers to encourage their community members to purchase another piece of junk from Ledger ^[SMH]!

[bitmover]

I don't want to to brag, but I did warn everyone many times not to waste money on ledger Nono S devices.

Ledger just announced they are officially going to discontinue Nono S devices, and they removed it from ledger website just like I predicted.

Ledger graveyard is getting bigger every day, and they are stopping all updates and development for Nono S.

Official confirmation:


https://developers.ledger.com/docs/news

Don't buy any new ledger device crap!
I recommend making a transition to any alternative open source hardware wallet.

My Nano S works perfectly well

They just dont want to sell it anymore , because they want to sell more expensive devices.

It is sad to see how that company grew... nano s is an amazing device and I am very satisfied with it. I wont change my device and I will keep using it for as long as I can.

[LTU_btc]

I don't want to to brag, but I did warn everyone many times not to waste money on ledger Nono S devices.

Ledger just announced they are officially going to discontinue Nono S devices, and they removed it from ledger website just like I predicted.

Ledger graveyard is getting bigger every day, and they are stopping all updates and development for Nono S.

Official confirmation:

Don't buy any new ledger device crap!
I recommend making a transition to any alternative open source hardware wallet.

I guess most of us saw this coming. It was only question when exactly it's going to happen. Ledger is acting like most of smartphone companies - they don't want that you would use same device for 10 years, you have to get new once in few years.

My Nano S works perfectly well

They just dont want to sell it anymore , because they want to sell more expensive devices.

It is sad to see how that company grew... nano s is an amazing device and I am very satisfied with it. I wont change my device and I will keep using it for as long as I can.

Not going to argue about device because my Nano S also works fine. But are you aware about all things which is happening with Ledger company in recent years that you trust them so much?

[dkbit98]

It's worth noting that roughly three months past its EOL date ^{[June 2022]}, they were still selling that piece of junk in their shop ^{[archive of its listing on August 27th of that year]} and despite no warnings back then, they still have the audacity recommending app developers to encourage their community members to purchase another piece of junk from Ledger ^[SMH]!

I am not surprised to hear this, they want to milk every last drop of shekels from their customers.
But I hear they have enough money to waste on NBA partnership  

My Nano S works perfectly well

Yeah, I hear that wind0ws XP also ''works'', but it's not getting any updates and security fixes anymore.
It's one thing to stop production, and it's much worse to stop releasing updates.
Let me remind you that old defunct ledger devices (Ledger Nano, Ledger HW.1, Ledger Blue, etc) don't work anymore, and they are NOT safe to use,but you do your own thing.

[satscraper]

My Nano S works perfectly well

Nano s operates on BOLOS on top of which are various apps tailored to specific cryptocurrencies. One of those app is Bitcoin app. The latter is updated periodically by developers to accommodate new developments such as changes in blockchain scripts or enhancements in security protocols. Thus, if the nano s is discontinued, Bitcoin app on the device may become outdated. As a result, wallet is likely to lose compatibility with soft clients ^{like Electrum, Sparrow, and others, not to mention Ledger Life} , turning the device into a brick. So, you might want to consider acquiring new wallet and moving your stash.

P.S. I would recommend Passport Core.

[bitmover]

My Nano S works perfectly well

Nano s operates on BOLOS on top of which are various apps tailored to specific cryptocurrencies. One of those app is Bitcoin app. The latter is updated periodically by developers to accommodate new developments such as changes in blockchain scripts or enhancements in security protocols. Thus, if the nano s is discontinued, Bitcoin app on the device may become outdated. As a result, wallet is likely to lose compatibility with soft clients ^{like Electrum, Sparrow, and others, not to mention Ledger Life} , turning the device into a brick. So, you might want to consider acquiring new wallet and moving your stash.

P.S. I would recommend Passport Core.

Fortunetly  , i already have a nano s plus...
If that happens i will use it.

Sad to see that outcome for such a good device

[Pmalek]

Fortunetly  , i already have a nano s plus...
If that happens i will use it.

Sad to see that outcome for such a good device

Are you planning to generate a new seed with the Nano S Plus or just recover the wallet from your existing seed and continue where you left off with the old Nano S?

If you are still confident enough in Ledger and don't have trust issues making the Nano S Plus your next hardware wallet of choice, why not make the switch already? It's surely faster and more efficient and doesn't suffer the memory limitations of the Nano S. I remember consolidating my inputs using the Nano S a long time ago. The signing process is the slowest in the industry for sure. The device was completely unresponsive for minutes while the transactions were being signed in the background. Nano S Plus has to do better in that regard.