Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[MisssPirssss]

The new offensive near Kursk is nonsense, at that time Kurakhovo was lost.

[paxmao]

Seems like Ukraine is pushing in Kursk. Strategically looks very odd but my guess is that Ukraine is figthing for whatever territory is worse defended. In the end, land is land and you can later swap it. I would not, it is better to have a chunck of Kursk as "buffer" for the larger cities.

Would it be better if both Russia and Ukraine joined the EU and made Europe stronger and united? Why is Russia against joining the EU while the likes of Turkey wished to?

UK and USA would never allow it. Unity of German industry and Russia resources is biggest threat to them

USA would not allow it, but it may not be possible for them to stop it, just like they could not stop the EU from happening. The UK has no say in the EU - UK has lost plenty of influence in the EU and the Brexit effects added to COVID have left the economy stagnant.

BTW you should read the news if you are assuming the US and the UK have so many common interests.

There is an obvious problem with you "vision" of Germany and Ruzzia: Ruzzia had a big army and has been known to use force to gain territory. Having Germany linked in excess to Ruzzia is simply not safe and strategically is not a good idea to depend on Ruzzia if Ruzzia does not depend on you.

Having said all that, I am going to repeat for the 10th time the same thing: there are winners in this war, but they are not Ukraine, nor Ruzzia, nor the EU, nor (this is just for Branko's personal fixation) the UK. You can clearly see which economies have done well (US) and which ones have gone down (all the rest) due to the war.

The rest is just a blame game and Putin's fixation with having an empire. BTW, Putin was already waging wars all over prior to Ukraine, so keep saying that someone else provoked and all that...

[BADecker]

Seems like Ukraine is pushing in Kursk. Strategically looks very odd but my guess is that Ukraine is figthing for whatever territory is worse defended. In the end, land is land and you can later swap it. I would not, it is better to have a chunck of Kursk as "buffer" for the larger cities.

Would it be better if both Russia and Ukraine joined the EU and made Europe stronger and united? Why is Russia against joining the EU while the likes of Turkey wished to?

UK and USA would never allow it. Unity of German industry and Russia resources is biggest threat to them

USA would not allow it, but it may not be possible for them to stop it, just like they could not stop the EU from happening. The UK has no say in the EU - UK has lost plenty of influence in the EU and the Brexit effects added to COVID have left the economy stagnant.

BTW you should read the news if you are assuming the US and the UK have so many common interests.

There is an obvious problem with you "vision" of Germany and Ruzzia: Ruzzia had a big army and has been known to use force to gain territory. Having Germany linked in excess to Ruzzia is simply not safe and strategically is not a good idea to depend on Ruzzia if Ruzzia does not depend on you.

Having said all that, I am going to repeat for the 10th time the same thing: there are winners in this war, but they are not Ukraine, nor Ruzzia, nor the EU, nor (this is just for Branko's personal fixation) the UK. You can clearly see which economies have done well (US) and which ones have gone down (all the rest) due to the war.

The rest is just a blame game and Putin's fixation with having an empire. BTW, Putin was already waging wars all over prior to Ukraine, so keep saying that someone else provoked and all that...

The US can't stop it, and with Trump "IN" may not really want to stop it.

Of course you can see that the US economy has done well. It's all based in the lies you want to believe. Just look at the rise in prices at the US stores since Biden took over. US wages haven't kept up.

There's way more to see when you look at the whole picture, and it mostly isn't MAGA. MAGA restarts now, with Trump, and it mostly doesn't have anything to do with supporting Ukraine. Ukraine is lost, but, really it is gained for the Ukrainians who fled the war.

[LTU_btc]

Would it be better if both Russia and Ukraine joined the EU and made Europe stronger and united? Why is Russia against joining the EU while the likes of Turkey wished to?

That's not how this world works.

The new offensive near Kursk is nonsense, at that time Kurakhovo was lost.

From beginning I still don't know what's the point of whole this operation in Kursk. When at the same situation is very difficult in Donbas oblast, Russians is getting very close to Pokrovsk and also soon can reach Dnipropetrovsk oblast.

[tvbcof]

The new offensive near Kursk is nonsense, at that time Kurakhovo was lost.

It was the best Zelensky could muster in and attempt win a few more brownie points with (and more money/coke from) his sponsors.  It was even more humiliating than their 'greatest counter-offensive'!  They got across one and a half fields and took a 'city' consisting of several dozen houses by the looks of things, then got beat back within a day losing massive numbers of 'Ukrainian soldiers' (read, force-mobilized prisoners) and a lot of Western gear.  While it was going on, the Russians (known as 'North Koreans' to propagandized mouth-breathing Westerners) got to the very starting point of the 'offensive' from behind.

Kellogg even canceled his trip to Ukraine out of shame.

[DaRude]

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Is Ukraine at war? Because i'm pretty sure they haven't declared war on Russia either and up to 2 days ago were even receiving money for transferring Russian gas.

They key point here is intent, in a conflict it's the responsibility of the military to minimize civilian casualties. Everyone can read what you wrote, that it is "it is much better to keep it open, it makes drones more difficult to identify" that implies that it would be much worse for Ukraine if Russia closed the airspace, because there would be less civilian aircraft and make UA drones harder to hide. Clearly doing the opposite of trying to minimize the civilian casualties, there's really no other way to spin this.

Ruzzia is at war, Ruzzia cannot defend their skies nor guarantee the security of the commercial flights, full of civilians that should be safe from the Ruzzian air defence systems while crossing Ruzzia. If Ruzzia cannot tell a commercial plane from a drone - and they have shoot down a plane full of civilians killing 37 and injuring many others - they should not allow commercial flights over their territory, just as Ukraine has done long ago.

If you really want to minimise casualties you would close the airspace, but it is evident that it is not a priority to minimise anything.

But we all know that is not going to happen so again:

To all, please check carefully that you flight does not go over Ruzzia or for that matter Georgia, you may be killed by the Ruzzian air defences.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/28/putin-apologises-to-azerbaijans-president-over-tragic-plane-crash

Putin apologises to Azerbaijan’s president over ‘tragic’ plane crash
Vladimir Putin says incident occurred in Russian airspace, but does not acknowledge any possible involvement of Russia.

In a statement on Saturday, the Kremlin said Russian air defence systems were firing near Grozny due to a Ukrainian drone strike, but stopped short of saying one of these hit the plane.

So, if your planes is downed by the Ruzzian air defence you will get a vage apology, no recognition of gilt whatsoever and no compensation to your relatives since "nothing happened".


Just a quick note: The first 3 French Mirages have arrived to Ukraine.

Again it's one thing to say that RU should close all of its airspace to minimize unintended casualties to civilian airspace, and completely different story to say "it is much better to keep it open, it makes drones more difficult to identify" and "keep on trying to find out if it is a drone or a passenger plane" your intentions are crystal clear here.

[Branko]

New weapons Russia recently used in Ukraine (beside shovels and dishwasher chips):

https://www-geopolitika-news.translate.goog/vijesti/evo-koja-je-nova-ubojita-oruzja-rusija-koristila-u-ukrajini-2024-godine/?_x_tr_sl=hr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[paxmao]

Ukraine has started some offensive operation in Kursk. Some people are puzzled as for the reason, my guess is that they attack where the defence is weaker.

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If you really want to minimise casualties you would close the airspace, but it is evident that it is not a priority to minimise anything.

But we all know that is not going to happen so again:

To all, please check carefully that you flight does not go over Ruzzia or for that matter Georgia, you may be killed by the Ruzzian air defences.
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Again it's one thing to say that RU should close all of its airspace to minimize unintended casualties to civilian airspace, and completely different story to say "it is much better to keep it open, it makes drones more difficult to identify" and "keep on trying to find out if it is a drone or a passenger plane" your intentions are crystal clear here.

Ruzzia does not seem to be able to tell the difference between a drone and a commercial plane. From the Ukrainian perspective that is an advantage, as Ruzzia needs to think twice before pressing the trigger which makes their air defence less effective. This is not a moral judgement, it is a fact.

Unless you are saying that Ruzzia is not going to think twice anyway? That the Ruzzian goverment is fine with hitting passenger planes and killing people as acceptable casualties so that their efficiency is not diminished? Because that is exactly what you imply.

Back to serious discussion, Ruzzia seems to be attacking with less and less mechanised means, sometimes to a ridiculous point of sending people on foot or - I have seen a video - riding scooters. There is something happening and it is not looking good for the Ruzzian army.

[BADecker]

Russia has been reasonably merciful with Ukraine. Perhaps with new money on the way, Ukraine will again become disruptive. But, they are done. The should surrender while there is something left of them.


First Photo of Site Hit By Russian "Oreshnik" Missile - Complete devastation!


https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/first-photo-of-site-hit-by-russian-oreshnik-missile-complete-devastation
Video of the strike was widely circulated worldwide and it is utterly shocking:

Go to the site to watch it.

As seen in the video above, six separate batches of projectiles come out of the sky so fast, no missile defense system on the planet could intercept them

What was most stunning about this strike is that the six warheads released multiple "Bomblets" before they impacted.  That's why there are six, separate "showers" of  fire from the sky . . . the bomblets came down ahead of the warheads which carried them, and those bomblets and warheads were moving so fast, they generated enough heat to look like fire coming from the sky.

Ukraine was ruthless in their censorship of any photos or videos of the strike location.  They arrested anyone trying to take pictures or videos, and seized any equipment that may have contained such images.

All that ends right now.
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[tvbcof]

Ukraine has started some offensive operation in Kursk. Some people are puzzled as for the reason, my guess is that they attack where the defence is weaker.

You are 'a day late and a dollar short'.  The incident was a few days ago and ended in a 'krioid defeate about as quickly as it started.  Here's today's:

  https://rumble.com/v676pxj-cold-war-iih-32-cut-offthe-russians-are-storming-sudzha-and-siversk-militar.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

As for the reason, nothing yet has changed my opinion that 'kroid losses in (Slavic) life has been since 2014 exactly the goal for Zelensky and his handlers.

Slavic 'kroid deaths are what happened in spades in Kursk, and the effort didn't seem to do a damn thing to slow down the losses of land and resources more Eastward.  You can argue that Russia would be in Dnipro if not for Kursk, or insist that it caused 6 million Russian casualties if you want.  The desperate retard classes might actually believe that, but no serious analysts would likely agree.

[BADecker]

Not only that, but the Oreshnik used on Dnipro, didn't even carry any explosives.

Western media mistakenly thinks that Russia is playing games. Yet it is another warning by Putin of what Russia can do if it really wants to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKDNSYw1NQ&pp=ygUIb3Jlc2huaWs%3D

Putin is telling us how scary Oreshnik is, but we still don't accept the demonstration or Putin's explanation.

[Severus111]

Would it be better if both Russia and Ukraine joined the EU and made Europe stronger and united? Why is Russia against joining the EU while the likes of Turkey wished to?

UK and USA would never allow it. Unity of German industry and Russia resources is biggest threat to them

Well the EU is not exactly a democratic bloc because the commission heads are unelected bureaucrats placed there by oligarchs and insiders which is very little different in theory to the factions in charge of Russia lording it over the Russian peoples. The same can be said for the 2 party systems in place in both the US and UK.

What would be better is a truly democratic superblock containing all the northern regions from US,Canada,Greenland,Iceland,Baltics,UK,Ireland,EU and Russia along with regional blocks like Japan,Australia,New Zealand and any other countries that oppose communism and totalitarianism. Of course the US,Canada EU ,Russia and even Australia would have to become less authoritarian before this could ever happen.

If this ever happened then who could ever be a threat to such a bloc?

[paxmao]

Russia has been reasonably merciful with Ukraine. Perhaps with new money on the way, Ukraine will again become disruptive. But, they are done. The should surrender while there is something left of them.
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Agains propaganda, facts:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5382794.msg64850835#msg64850835 again, the damage of an ICBM is either nearly nothing or a nuclear explosion. No middle ground, no other use.

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 I would be very interested in knowing how an 18 Million missile that cannot, I repeat, cannot carry conventional explosives and has an accuracy of +/= 500 meters is going to help Ruzzia in any possible way. I just hope that the Ruzzian military geniuses follow your same "strategy".

You know what seems to be working correctly? The newly designed Ukrainian medium range missiles and missile / drone hybrids:
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All this is technology from the 50's and is innacurate. The missile had a total of 36 MIRVS that are NOT bombs, nor bomblets nor have any explosive load on them whatsoever. The video is weeks old.

The rebranded (not new ICBM, just a rebrand) can carry either nuclear warheads or decoys. If any of these were nukes, there would be no Dnipro. The decoys do not deal more harm that a large metallic non-explosive object falling quite quickly.

Your information about interception is also wrong. The ICBMS are not intercepted when the MIRVS have been released, but much earlier. It is perfectly possible to intercept them, altough details are classified.

Now BA, keep voicing Putin's propaganda... I mean, your credibility cannot fall much more.

Not only that, but the Oreshnik used on Dnipro, didn't even carry any explosives.

Western media mistakenly thinks that Russia is playing games. Yet it is another warning by Putin of what Russia can do if it really wants to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKDNSYw1NQ&pp=ygUIb3Jlc2huaWs%3D

Putin is telling us how scary Oreshnik is, but we still don't accept the demonstration or Putin's explanation.

No, Putin is doing everything he can rationally. Starting a nuclear war will probably get him killed. You only escalate if you have something to win - thus he has not escalated.

[BADecker]

Russia has been reasonably merciful with Ukraine. Perhaps with new money on the way, Ukraine will again become disruptive. But, they are done. The should surrender while there is something left of them.
[...]

Agains propaganda, facts:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5382794.msg64850835#msg64850835 again, the damage of an ICBM is either nearly nothing or a nuclear explosion. No middle ground, no other use.

[...]
 I would be very interested in knowing how an 18 Million missile that cannot, I repeat, cannot carry conventional explosives and has an accuracy of +/= 500 meters is going to help Ruzzia in any possible way. I just hope that the Ruzzian military geniuses follow your same "strategy".

You know what seems to be working correctly? The newly designed Ukrainian medium range missiles and missile / drone hybrids:
[...]

All this is technology from the 50's and is innacurate. The missile had a total of 36 MIRVS that are NOT bombs, nor bomblets nor have any explosive load on them whatsoever. The video is weeks old.

The rebranded (not new ICBM, just a rebrand) can carry either nuclear warheads or decoys. If any of these were nukes, there would be no Dnipro. The decoys do not deal more harm that a large metallic non-explosive object falling quite quickly.

Your information about interception is also wrong. The ICBMS are not intercepted when the MIRVS have been released, but much earlier. It is perfectly possible to intercept them, altough details are classified.

Now BA, keep voicing Putin's propaganda... I mean, your credibility cannot fall much more.

Not only that, but the Oreshnik used on Dnipro, didn't even carry any explosives.

Western media mistakenly thinks that Russia is playing games. Yet it is another warning by Putin of what Russia can do if it really wants to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKDNSYw1NQ&pp=ygUIb3Jlc2huaWs%3D

Putin is telling us how scary Oreshnik is, but we still don't accept the demonstration or Putin's explanation.

No, Putin is doing everything he can rationally. Starting a nuclear war will probably get him killed. You only escalate if you have something to win - thus he has not escalated.

You are reasonably accurate with one little twist. Oreshnik was Russia's response to Ukraine using ATACMS against Russia directly. And it worked.

Any day of the week, before breakfast, Russia could take out Kiev by loading some explosives into 2 or 3 Oreshniks. Other nations would not attack Russia for doing this, because other nations do not want to be destroyed, either.

As long as Russia plays a defensive war within Ukraine, only, she is showing how peaceful she really is. If she went on the offense in Ukraine, it might scare other nations. But as long as she stayed in Ukraine and not NATO nations, they would not attack Russia.

[Branko]

I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

[BADecker]

I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

Thanks, Branko. I hadn't even thought of it that way. I was a little puzzled as to how the Oreshnik could make such a big hole without explosives. Now I see.

I'm not ashamed to admit that lots of people have way more knowledge and understanding than I do. But when paxmao contradicts me, I KNOW that I am on the right track.

[tvbcof]

I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

The addition of high explosives would seem to be a technical challenge due to re-entry protection issues, and less important than mass itself in transferring energy to a target.  The explosive energy would also possibly interfere and cancel out to a degree the kinetic energy delivery characteristics.  A simple tungsten rod would probably work best as well as being the easiest thing to do.

Seems that hypersonics would be primarily a digging tool useful in deeply fracturing material.  Having multiple attacks mixing in high precision devices which have a heaving effect (cleaning rubble out of the hole) could possibly be a method by which one could dig down to the guts of almost any bunker system.  Not to mention causing probably fatal effects on any humans trying to live underground in the area due simply to the shock effects.

[BADecker]

I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

The addition of high explosives would seem to be a technical challenge due to re-entry protection issues, and less important than mass itself in transferring energy to a target.  The explosive energy would also possibly interfere and cancel out to a degree the kinetic energy delivery characteristics.  A simple tungsten rod would probably work best as well as being the easiest thing to do.

Seems that hypersonics would be primarily a digging tool useful in deeply fracturing material.  Having multiple attacks mixing in high precision devices which have a heaving effect (cleaning rubble out of the hole) could possibly be a method by which one could dig down to the guts of almost any bunker system.  Not to mention causing probably fatal effects on any humans trying to live underground in the area due simply to the shock effects.

In WW1 they dropped nails from planes on troops on the ground. Quite effective when they hit anybody.

The tungsten idea has been around for some time. There must be something better... like water-filled tanks for cooling and for attitude control (steam rocket engines)... to hit targets not anticipated by the enemy. Much cheaper than tungsten.

[paxmao]

I mentioned it earlier, but paxmao obviously could not calculate it, so here it is:

The energy of a 36-tonne mass hitting the ground at Mach 10 is approximately:

211.8 billion joules (211.8 × 10⁹ J),
Equivalent to 50.6 tonnes of TNT.

The addition of high explosives would seem to be a technical challenge due to re-entry protection issues, and less important than mass itself in transferring energy to a target.  The explosive energy would also possibly interfere and cancel out to a degree the kinetic energy delivery characteristics.  A simple tungsten rod would probably work best as well as being the easiest thing to do.

Seems that hypersonics would be primarily a digging tool useful in deeply fracturing material.  Having multiple attacks mixing in high precision devices which have a heaving effect (cleaning rubble out of the hole) could possibly be a method by which one could dig down to the guts of almost any bunker system.  Not to mention causing probably fatal effects on any humans trying to live underground in the area due simply to the shock effects.

In WW1 they dropped nails from planes on troops on the ground. Quite effective when they hit anybody.

The tungsten idea has been around for some time. There must be something better... like water-filled tanks for cooling and for attitude control (steam rocket engines)... to hit targets not anticipated by the enemy. Much cheaper than tungsten.

BTW, a few posts ago you were in favour of peace... now you are suggesting how to kill more people. You are a joke of a person.

But dumBAss, this is amazing!!! You and I agree in something: there are definetly much much better ways to hit a target! They are called drones, and Ukraine is nearly producing a million a year. The newest ones are definetly able to reach most major cities and I have even stopped publishing here the daily impacts in refineries and military facilities, but this is now everyday.

The addition of explosives to and ICBM is not a "technical challenge", it is an absolutely stupid idea. The ICBM rebranded as Oreshnik costs 18 million USD a pop and would not cause any destruction even close to justifiying that because it pretty much falls randomly in a 2 km area. It is time you little trolls start unhooking from the official Ruzzia TV and understand that all this is propaganda and means absolutely nothing for the war effort.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6240qepyppo

The BBC has talked to one Ukrainian company which is already developing a new cruise missile, at least 10 times cheaper than a British-made Storm Shadow missile.

[BADecker]

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In WW1 they dropped nails from planes on troops on the ground. Quite effective when they hit anybody.

The tungsten idea has been around for some time. There must be something better... like water-filled tanks for cooling and for attitude control (steam rocket engines)... to hit targets not anticipated by the enemy. Much cheaper than tungsten.

BTW, a few posts ago you were in favour of peace... now you are suggesting how to kill more people. You are a joke of a person.

But dumBAss, this is amazing!!! You and I agree in something: there are definetly much much better ways to hit a target! They are called drones, and Ukraine is nearly producing a million a year. The newest ones are definetly able to reach most major cities and I have even stopped publishing here the daily impacts in refineries and military facilities, but this is now everyday.

The addition of explosives to and ICBM is not a "technical challenge", it is an absolutely stupid idea. The ICBM rebranded as Oreshnik costs 18 million USD a pop and would not cause any destruction even close to justifiying that because it pretty much falls randomly in a 2 km area. It is time you little trolls start unhooking from the official Ruzzia TV and understand that all this is propaganda and means absolutely nothing for the war effort.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6240qepyppo

The BBC has talked to one Ukrainian company which is already developing a new cruise missile, at least 10 times cheaper than a British-made Storm Shadow missile.

Perhaps you are super professional a these things. Even if you are, it means nothing. Anything Ukraine and the US can do, Russia can do just as well.

Talking about how to protect one's self doesn't mean promoting war. Russian Oreshnik and others can reach the US. It's simply considerations of what they might or might not do.

Your technical figures don't mean anything because there are other options for Russia with them. Sure, consider everything that you can. But it means little until you can get into the minds of the Russian leaders.

The point is that Russia, using Oreshnik like they did in Dnipro, means Kiev wipe-out with only one more virtually unstoppable Oreshik. We don't see Ukraine making any big moves that might invite such an attack. Maybe next week. But not yet. They are taking it to heart.

Then, besides all this, Trump is coming. So, the whole Ukraine thing might simply shut down in a month or two. Zelensky is like a wild cannon with all that power, and you don't really want him to tease the bear too much, do you? I mean, the UK would be next after Ukraine... maybe even first, before Ukraine.

Wake up. Russia responded in a big way at least twice, now. Next time might be a REALLY big way. Do you really think you or your AI are guessing right? Are you ready to take that chance?