RarityCheck VIBGYOR gilded #12 swept yesterday.

[rsincognito]

Aren’t there some lealana’s with shitty font and disappearing ink? But he rose above and people still buy his stuff even with about the shittiest customer service out there.

Either way - I hope RC learns and comes back better. Offer some DIY versions to take care of the people who want it.

He’s made some awesome coins. The enamel work is pretty damn good. Batman coin and these V series were very high quality work. Keys were lacking, obviously. Who here has been more affected than RC?

I dunno. I’ve been scammed and rug pulled - zero people stood up, owned their mistakes, refunded people out of their own pocket and yet the one person that does just continues to get shitted on.

We are all human. If you don’t want to trust his keys then don’t, but this is 1000% Better than Coldscam, 1hodlclub missing funding issues, lealanas missing addresses, and btc penny owing people product and loans.

You would think people would cut the guy a little slack or at least not publicly talk shit on someone that is holding themselves accountable and making amends as best they can.

You will need to show proof of better key printing tho, plus outline your process or subcontract it out I don’t know but I’m not gonna kick a guy that’s down and trying to do the right thing

well said.


I see and understand both sides, they both have validity.

[DaveF]

...I’ll pose a question for everyone I once asked in a topic ..why are most the OG collectors gone (or don’t collect much new stuff, like myself ?) The answer is because they don’t trust new coin makers, and already have collections with enough “at risk” bitcoin, and don’t want to take more risk on than they already are. This is simply the reality of it....

I might still be collecting some things, but as I have stated I am getting rid of a ton of stuff (and have been for over a year)

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5455887.msg62381660#msg62381660

I know one other collector going through the same thing.

A better question IMO is why are not as many people getting into collecting things with key. I have an opinion on that, but no proof to back it up.

We have been screaming 'Not Your Keys....Not Your Coins' at new people in the crypto sphere for a while now.
Could having coins with keys not generated by the actual person holding it be part of the effect of this. We know that having someone else generate keys is a risk, and are willing to tolerate it. Did we as a group make new people more adverse to that risk?

...like Lealana and Sol Noctis..both of which have had funding issues and were NEVER addressed publicly by the coin makers , despite being asked to do so....

I know about the Sol Noctis, and the bizzarre hoops you have to go through to redeem them.
Even posted a guide: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5231305.msg62449902#msg62449902

What is up with the Lealana? Never heard of an issue. I know when I bought he sent me a list and I funded the coins.
Did something change?


-Dave

[MoparMiningLLC]

...I’ll pose a question for everyone I once asked in a topic ..why are most the OG collectors gone (or don’t collect much new stuff, like myself ?) The answer is because they don’t trust new coin makers, and already have collections with enough “at risk” bitcoin, and don’t want to take more risk on than they already are. This is simply the reality of it....

I might still be collecting some things, but as I have stated I am getting rid of a ton of stuff (and have been for over a year)

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5455887.msg62381660#msg62381660

I know one other collector going through the same thing.

A better question IMO is why are not as many people getting into collecting things with key. I have an opinion on that, but no proof to back it up.

We have been screaming 'Not Your Keys....Not Your Coins' at new people in the crypto sphere for a while now.
Could having coins with keys not generated by the actual person holding it be part of the effect of this. We know that having someone else generate keys is a risk, and are willing to tolerate it. Did we as a group make new people more adverse to that risk?

...like Lealana and Sol Noctis..both of which have had funding issues and were NEVER addressed publicly by the coin makers , despite being asked to do so....

I know about the Sol Noctis, and the bizzarre hoops you have to go through to redeem them.
Even posted a guide: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5231305.msg62449902#msg62449902

What is up with the Lealana? Never heard of an issue. I know when I bought he sent me a list and I funded the coins.
Did something change?


-Dave

there was at least one coin where when peeled, the writing literally as the owner watched got worse and worse - luckily he took pictures and smoothy was able to specify the font and the owner was able to redeem the funds eventually.

[Steeley]

I suspect the Alpen Coin PKs are pretty good but I have never seen one. Anyone have a pic?

[raghavsood]

I suspect the Alpen Coin PKs are pretty good but I have never seen one. Anyone have a pic?

Frank has a photo on the website: https://www.alpencoin.ch/en/transfert?lightbox=dataItem-kchzofen1

If that's representative of the lot, it's a decent quality QR - no issues scanning it from the photo, would be easier in person

[rsincognito]

When I key my own coins, I always include both the QR code plus it in written form:

(Created with a Mycelium Entropy usb stick from an HP printer that has never been connected to Internet, there is not even a computer involved. It’s all done literary from the printer.)

[Mofough82]

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

[minerjones]

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

Roll some dice

[krogoth]

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

   As I have said in the past...you can use a Trezor or any good BIP39 hardware wallet. Generate the seed and use a seed. You can also use electrum as well. Make sure you verify it's the correct one and not a corrupted one.
   All in an airgap computer.

[hybridsole]

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

I have been playing around with Ian Coleman's BIP39 generator tool: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/.  What really makes this one stand out is that you can click "Show entropy details", and then it allows you to put in dice rolls, coin flips, etc to see it create seed phrases in real-time.  It also supports virtually all technical aspects of key generation to get a good sense of the many different options that are available.  It's kind of crazy how many types of addresses there are such as BIP44, BIP84 that wallets just choose for you (and creates all kinds of cross-compatibility issues).  You can also get things like the XPUB address to support multi-sig and all kinds of fun stuff. 

For people who do want to use this, you should use the github version and download the standalone page to use offline: https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39, as well as have a good understanding of the main concepts.  Otherwise using a Trezor like krogoth recommends is probably better if you just want a safe and user-friendly option. 

[raritycheck]

For the new coins..
We are still looking around
 

We created a BTCMiniKey generator.
BTCMiniKeyGenerator uses audio + system randomness + time based randomness.

Any feedback?

[krogoth]

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

I have been playing around with Ian Coleman's BIP39 generator tool: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/.  What really makes this one stand out is that you can click "Show entropy details", and then it allows you to put in dice rolls, coin flips, etc to see it create seed phrases in real-time.  It also supports virtually all technical aspects of key generation to get a good sense of the many different options that are available.  It's kind of crazy how many types of addresses there are such as BIP44, BIP84 that wallets just choose for you (and creates all kinds of cross-compatibility issues).  You can also get things like the XPUB address to support multi-sig and all kinds of fun stuff.  

For people who do want to use this, you should use the github version and download the standalone page to use offline: https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39, as well as have a good understanding of the main concepts.  Otherwise using a Trezor like krogoth recommends is probably better if you just want a safe and user-friendly option.  

 
  Yep I used that Coleman program for my dice roll coin. Love that program!

  Added:  one other thing I use this for is to double check I wrote the seed properly for example for a newly generated seed on Trezor....with passphrase.

   I input that into Coleman's program on air gap PC and double check to confirm the same public Addy's are generated that match what Trezor displays

[LoyceV]

We created a BTCMiniKey generator.
BTCMiniKeyGenerator uses audio + system randomness + time based randomness.
Any feedback?

I read this a while ago and it seems fitting: don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer.

[DaveF]

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

[krogothmanhattan]

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

 I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.
 
 We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

  Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

[raritycheck]

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

 I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.
 
 We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

  Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

[MoparMiningLLC]

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

 I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.
 
 We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

  Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

why mini keys? I have generated full pk's for 1 gram coins both in QR and printed that are readable.

keep the hardware offline 100% of the time, use tried and true software that is known not to be exploited.
If the hardware is never online, it can no be compromised except for if someone gets their hands on it physically.
Use disposable jump drives to install/update software on the airgapped system.
never connect it to a printer that is or will be connected online or on a network.

on a 10 year old laptop I can generate 300 keys in a minute, maybe less, if non vanity. Vanity can take a little longer.

[LoyceV]

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

I've played around with mini private keys in the past, but never used dared to fund them. The Python script produces many mini-keys per second, but I don't remember where I got it, and don't know how secure it is so there's no point sharing it.

I remember creating billions of those, trying to find a vanity address with mini-private-key back in the days.

[raritycheck]

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

 I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.
 
 We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

  Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

why mini keys? I have generated full pk's for 1 gram coins both in QR and printed that are readable.

keep the hardware offline 100% of the time, use tried and true software that is known not to be exploited.
If the hardware is never online, it can no be compromised except for if someone gets their hands on it physically.
Use disposable jump drives to install/update software on the airgapped system.
never connect it to a printer that is or will be connected online or on a network.

on a 10 year old laptop I can generate 300 keys in a minute, maybe less, if non vanity. Vanity can take a little longer.

Mini key is to make sure that key takes less space for LCS series and printed chars are not that close.
Which software do you suggest?

[MoparMiningLLC]

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

 I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.
 
 We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

  Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

why mini keys? I have generated full pk's for 1 gram coins both in QR and printed that are readable.

keep the hardware offline 100% of the time, use tried and true software that is known not to be exploited.
If the hardware is never online, it can no be compromised except for if someone gets their hands on it physically.
Use disposable jump drives to install/update software on the airgapped system.
never connect it to a printer that is or will be connected online or on a network.

on a 10 year old laptop I can generate 300 keys in a minute, maybe less, if non vanity. Vanity can take a little longer.

Mini key is to make sure that key takes less space for LCS series and printed chars are not that close.
Which software do you suggest?

I use the SAMR7 vanity gen, it can generate vanity and/or just regular addresses (simply dont give it a prefix to search for) - I have used it on at least 2500 coins to date.

and a full pk is in the attached image - this is super small. each line of text is no more than 8mm long - use a clear font and a printer capable of high resolution printing, then going smaller should not be an issue.

This was printed almost 2 years ago and sits in water. I pull it out to take pictures now and then. These were taken tonight. Shown next to a poker chip for size. If the image appears blurry it could be because I zoomed in and cropped it for here. I can read it with my naked eye as well.