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To be honest, I was not even aware much of his success was because the government of the United States decided to invest and give contracts to him in the early days. But I guess it makes sense, even the federal government likes to give some money to companies which shoe some potential and then, when they get bigger and develop technology, turn them into exclusive contractors for agencies. [...]
Hispo, it was not "a bit of money". While Musk's fortune is now vast, the original investment was heavily based on the US taxpayer's money. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/20/business/elon-musk-wealth-government-help/index.html Musk is worth an estimated $326 billion, according to Bloomberg’s real-time billionaire tracker. His companies have received “only” tens of billions from government contracts and programs.
But in other ways, virtually all of his net worth can be pinned to government help. Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans.
“The foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government,” said Daniel Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities. elon took out loans and repaid them.. elon received funding for government departments to PURCHASE goods(cars) and services(spacestation transport) but none of that "tens of billions" was grants(donations/free handouts) unlike NASA that gets about $20b a year but has not really done much in decades... heck.. nasa is spending $340m a year on their own efficiency department.. trying to find ways to publish how they can say they are saving money.. .. but elon, not getting paid is doing it for free for all gov departments. and it seems people think elon is the greedy one taking free handouts.. kinda funny all i see in this topic and ones similar to it basing the elon efficiency plan, is people that just want their lazy gov worker buddies to keep their freeloading jobs. bootlicking their buddies (and i personally(as a brit) dont like trump nor many things about america, but do see this efficiency plan and strip down of gov as a good thing, but maybe its because im outsider and can see things clearer then those in america whom probably have relatives they depend on working for gov) so far 65,000 gov employees have taken up the severance offer, good start(or good end for some) Yes, Elon got cheap loans with public money to further the green agenda that he is now slashing. No cognitive issues here? NASA has never tried to be efficient, because NASA has never been about launching rockets. DYOR about how politically complex is NASA spending, why am I saying that is not about launching stuff and then we can discuss with some previous understanding of the topic. As far as I know there is 1% of employees taking the offer, which means that they were anyway probably going to leave - so thanks for the extra. Also, as the whole process seems illegal.... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4g2q62xqoJudge blocks Musk team access to Treasury Department records https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-review-trumps-buyout-offer-government-workers-cfpb-hq-shuttered-2025-02-10/US judge keeps block on Trump federal buyout plan in place for now If you want to reduce the government, you need to do it right and take the time to do your homework.But it is not the first time, and anyone taking "offers" should be aware of this.. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/10/elon-musk-severance-lawsuit-twitter#:~:text=A%20US%20court%20on%20Wednesday,company%20now%20known%20as%20X.Musk, who still faces numerous lawsuits over his business practices at companies including X, Tesla and SpaceX. The cases range from allegations of gender discrimination and defamation to engaging in retaliatory firings. [...] The case is one of many accusing Musk of reneging on promises to former Twitter employees, including the chief executive Parag Agrawal, and vendors after he bought the company for $44bn in October 2022. i dont like defending elon nor trump(feels weird even writing this post).. but when people get facts wrong, it needs correcting
elon didnt get free grants from the US for tesla to the tune of hundreds of billions to give his businesses their value. instead it initially took out a loan and repaid it in 2 years
also the government has a non-treasury side business which involved the 'carbon credits' where by polluting industries buy credits(penalty) privately to offset their carbon waste, to stay within regulation.. and those enterprises that offer carbon free options can get that money(again not part of normal income tax treasury money) .. between 2008-2019 carbon credits generated just $2b for tesla
as for spaceX, when doing transports to-from the space station, elon is cheaper than nasa's option, same goes for launching satellites for gov funded space exploration/observation missions
elon only got a couple billion from government per contract, where as nasa got bunches of $20b+ over the years. EG nasa got $21b then subcontracted spaceX whom got $1.6b to do 12 supply missions to the space station. .. as for his actions within DOGE department, well i think we do need to weed out the deadwood, too many public sector workers get promoted into roles that dont do public facing/public serving tasks, where they are just sitting pretty until retirement
public sector workers need a change of mindset, need to be doing things with integrity, honesty, openness, accountability and ALWAYS in the best interest of the public they serve (in the UK we call this the nolan principles of public service)
but i do see how many people that just argue about elons actions sound more like government boot lickers, defending public servants even when the public servants dont do their jobs properly/fully/well/at all..  and are just working at the cost of tax payers
I think that is quite what I quoted. Elon made the companies grow after, but he got access to plenty of government funding. It is particularly obnoxious that he got access to money from the "green" plans to create his Tesla thing and now is working with a climate change denialist.An "Just a couple of billion" or this and that contract comming from the public treasury or this credit that others would not get comming from the US purse... and all the sudden "public spending is bad and inefficient".... There is no point in defending Elon, he is just not credible. However is very easy to understand him, just follow the smell of money. It is funny how the generic "public servants do not do their jobs correctly" or they are "sitting pretty" stick so easily. You just say and no further proof is needed because "everyone knows". It is wrong, most parts of most governments work correctly for the salaries and levels they have. The government must of course keep an eye on efficiency, but that is not down to public employees in general. Next time the US has a 9/11 Trump will somehow blame it on the Democrats or the inneficient agencies... but the fact is that he is cutting on everything that stands between the future Bin Laden and the newer New York skyscrappers.Well, it was the Dems that did or allowed the first 9/11. Trump won't let them get away with it a second time. They will be prosecuted. If Musk gets benefit out a legal thing, why not? Many of the rest of us get the same... mostly those who want to shut Musk down.  This is FALSE information: 9/11 happened during the Bush Jr. Administration and came also as a result of the first Gulf War, under the Bush senior administration. both Republicans.
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~ Well, it was the Dems that did or allowed the first 9/11. Trump won't let them get away with it a second time. They will be prosecuted. If Musk gets benefit out a legal thing, why not? Many of the rest of us get the same... mostly those who want to shut Musk down.  This is FALSE information: 9/11 happened during the Bush Jr. Administration and came also as a result of the first Gulf War, under the Bush senior administration. both Republicans. You're missing it on so many levels. Where was "W" when the planes hit on 9/11. He was in Florida, entertaining a bunch of school kids. And he stay right where the Dems and RINOs wanted hip... in Florida. If it were Trump, he'd have taken his leave of the school, and gotten right into the fray. You need to look at a bunch of facts before coming to a conclusion. The Deep State was running 9/11, even in a Republican Presidency. 
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DYOR about how politically complex is NASA spending, why am I saying that is not about launching stuff and then we can discuss with some previous understanding of the topic. NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration so their research is suppose to be around space and aeronautics... after all its not the agriculture and sprout agency yes i get it the "administration" means the spending loophole that they are not the astronauts or flight pilots. but instead officer dwellers tapping numbers into computers but the theme of nasa is suppose to be about researching into space and flight and employing rocket scientists. and being responsible for the United States' civil space program i do find it funny when nasa promotes itself as the sector that got into space, does research on space rockets and employs rocket scientists.. but.. you want to say its fine they syphon off $20b a year and not bother going into space with that money for decades and instead you want them to continue to "just take the money" if they can waste $20bill a year on administration. but not make/use rockets fo decades.. but elon can spend well under $1b per actual rocket flight. seems what elon done in 20 years has been more efficient research in the space and aeronautic sector than what NASA has yep nasa gets $20b a year for decades. elon (under spacex) has not even got $20b in total combined in over 20 years same goes for his tesla stuff.. he got only $50m in grants for EV research 2008-now. where as now the research is done and public its funny that General motor group got $500m in grants since just 2015 yes elon(as tesla) got a few billion as other categories of funding, but thats for actual purchase of goods (gov workers cars) so none of which was a free handout that didnt lead to any positive results for government .. As far as I know there is 1% of employees taking the offer, which means that they were anyway probably going to leave - so thanks for the extra. yes a good freebie leaving gift for those already planning to move to the private sector but part of the offer was "come back to the office 9-5, 5 days a week or take the 9 month pay and leave" so the rest have to come back to the office and work efficiently and monitored properly to ensure they do their job, instead of use tools like mice mimics that fake onscreen activity while they veg out at home pretending to always be in work meetings to never service the public im sure once people are made to come back to the office and they dont like actually doing real work. many others will leave
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DYOR about how politically complex is NASA spending, why am I saying that is not about launching stuff and then we can discuss with some previous understanding of the topic. NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration so their research is suppose to be around space and aeronautics... after all its not the agriculture and sprout agency yes i get it the "administration" means the spending loophole that they are not the astronauts or flight pilots. but instead officer dwellers tapping numbers into computers but the theme of nasa is suppose to be about researching into space and flight and employing rocket scientists. and being responsible for the United States' civil space program i do find it funny when nasa promotes itself as the sector that got into space, does research on space rockets and employs rocket scientists.. but.. you want to say its fine they syphon off $20b a year and not bother going into space with that money for decades and instead you want them to continue to "just take the money" if they can waste $20bill a year on administration. but not make/use rockets fo decades.. but elon can spend well under $1b per actual rocket flight. seems what elon done in 20 years has been more efficient research in the space and aeronautic sector than what NASA has yep nasa gets $20b a year for decades. elon (under spacex) has not even got $20b in total combined in over 20 years same goes for his tesla stuff.. he got only $50m in grants for EV research 2008-now. where as now the research is done and public its funny that General motor group got $500m in grants since just 2015 yes elon(as tesla) got a few billion as other categories of funding, but thats for actual purchase of goods (gov workers cars) so none of which was a free handout that didnt lead to any positive results for government .. As far as I know there is 1% of employees taking the offer, which means that they were anyway probably going to leave - so thanks for the extra. yes a good freebie leaving gift for those already planning to move to the private sector but part of the offer was "come back to the office 9-5, 5 days a week or take the 9 month pay and leave" so the rest have to come back to the office and work efficiently and monitored properly to ensure they do their job, instead of use tools like mice mimics that fake onscreen activity while they veg out at home pretending to always be in work meetings to never service the public im sure once people are made to come back to the office and they dont like actually doing real work. many others will leave NASA "should" mean what it means, but it actually does something completely different. They spend much more into launches because the agency is effectively distributing money across several constituencies. I can already tell you that if Elon tries to shut it down or play hard on it, there will be plenty of fallout. The rest will have to come back to office like Elon demanded from Twitter employees. Guess who will take the deal? a) Very skilled employees that work well and know so much that can take a better job somewhere else ... OR b) the ones that do not have anything better because they do not know shit. I am saying this because I know at least a couple of ex-TwitteX employees that immediately went to Google, WFH three days a week and slightly better pay. If you want an efficient government, you need efficient people, not suckers.
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If you want an efficient government, you need efficient people, not suckers.
yep and for years the government has been employing suckers(leeches). so yes by getting rid of the leeches that cant/dont want to work for the benefit of the public, good riddance.. then they can hire actual people that are willing to work for the benefit of the public im glad after all the boot licking you done hoping leeches got to keep their job, you are now seeing the benefit in getting rid of the lazy twits that dont want to work for the public, and good for them to reailise they are better off leeching in the private sector also when those that do come back to the office and are told they have to face, meet and service the public 9am-5pm, 5day a week.. you will see the next round of cutting the dead wood* by those not following new employee policies that are more constitutional(for the benefit of the public they serve) *or people resigning due to not wanting to work under proper employment standards of public servants
but back to the topic title elon didnt get free money/donations to do nothing with.. he only got paid government money for actual things that came with results(purchase of cars, transport to space station).. the same cant be said for many government departments that syphon money but dont result in things that benefit the public nor show actual results of anything
heres one for you last month trump cut $190m in 'childhood cancer research'.. ill wait for your tears stream out, and to dry ok, ready? in the entire 8 years of this research groups funding. do you know what they did and what they achieved and what their entire aim was well they only got 21k blood samples of kids with cancer and a disability.. and put it in a database.. .. yep not for their own guys to deep dive the data, not to find cures.. but to instead sell a limited data database to other groups yep no real research to find cancer relations to disabilities within the group getting $190m. just a database of DNA genomes of only 21k kids to sell/offer the database to others if it was a few million kids (an ample sample group to then deep dive the data to find pattern between childhood disabilities and cancer) where the group then used their own data and done further research, then they might deserve the massive funding.. but instead. they wanted ongoing hundreds of millions just to maintain a database with minimal data, minimal data not big enough to come to any meaningful results.. and definitely no cures
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If you want an efficient government, you need efficient people, not suckers.
yep and for years the government has been employing suckers(leeches). so yes by getting rid of the leeches that cant/dont want to work for the benefit of the public, good riddance.. then they can hire actual people that are willing to work for the benefit of the public im glad after all the boot licking you done hoping leeches got to keep their job, you are now seeing the benefit in getting rid of the lazy twits that dont want to work for the public, and good for them to reailise they are better off leeching in the private sector also when those that do come back to the office and are told they have to face, meet and service the public 9am-5pm, 5day a week.. you will see the next round of cutting the dead wood* by those not following new employee policies that are more constitutional(for the benefit of the public they serve) *or people resigning due to not wanting to work under proper employment standards of public servants
but back to the topic title elon didnt get free money/donations to do nothing with.. he only got paid government money for actual things that came with results(purchase of cars, transport to space station).. the same cant be said for many government departments that syphon money but dont result in things that benefit the public nor show actual results of anything
heres one for you last month trump cut $190m in 'childhood cancer research'.. ill wait for your tears stream out, and to dry ok, ready? in the entire 8 years of this research groups funding. do you know what they did and what they achieved and what their entire aim was well they only got 21k blood samples of kids with cancer and a disability.. and put it in a database.. .. yep not for their own guys to deep dive the data, not to find cures.. but to instead sell a limited data database to other groups yep no real research to find cancer relations to disabilities within the group getting $190m. just a database of DNA genomes of only 21k kids to sell/offer the database to others if it was a few million kids (an ample sample group to then deep dive the data to find pattern between childhood disabilities and cancer) where the group then used their own data and done further research, then they might deserve the massive funding.. but instead. they wanted ongoing hundreds of millions just to maintain a database with minimal data, minimal data not big enough to come to any meaningful results.. and definitely no cures All that info is available already. We don't know about it because the medical doesn't advertise it. Go the the Ardis site listed below, and peruse the site in detail, because the studies are there or are referenced there. It will be a struggle because of the great amount of studies and info that has been lied about by the medical. 
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If you want an efficient government, you need efficient people, not suckers.
yep and for years the government has been employing suckers(leeches). so yes by getting rid of the leeches that cant/dont want to work for the benefit of the public, good riddance.. then they can hire actual people that are willing to work for the benefit of the public im glad after all the boot licking you done hoping leeches got to keep their job [...] Again, if you do not do your homework and "carpet bomb" with an illegal letter of dismissal, you will get to accept it to... a) Inneficient workers that do not have anywhere better to go because they are unskilled, lazy or otherwise unemployable anywhere else. b) People who are efficient, have valuable knowledge and can find something much better somewhere else, working from home 50% and possibly with better pay. Hint: You get to keep (a) people, you losse (b) people. Seen it quite a few times, this is not the first idiot to think of this.
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If you want an efficient government, you need efficient people, not suckers.
yep and for years the government has been employing suckers(leeches). so yes by getting rid of the leeches that cant/dont want to work for the benefit of the public, good riddance.. then they can hire actual people that are willing to work for the benefit of the public im glad after all the boot licking you done hoping leeches got to keep their job [...] Again, if you do not do your homework and "carpet bomb" with an illegal letter of dismissal, you will get to accept it to... a) Inneficient workers that do not have anywhere better to go because they are unskilled, lazy or otherwise unemployable anywhere else. b) People who are efficient, have valuable knowledge and can find something much better somewhere else, working from home 50% and possibly with better pay. Hint: You get to keep (a) people, you losse (b) people. Seen it quite a few times, this is not the first idiot to think of this. The efficient workers re working for Trump and Musk... in DOGE. Meet the seven techies barely out of college helping Musk to slash billions... - https://www.tiktok.com/@itvnews/video/7468367954221059360?_r=1&_t=ZM-8toWRS1DQFK
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Funnily enough, the "letter" has now been declared legal by a court, so any employee of the 2 million that received it can accept the offer and take 8 months of paid leave and then leave. While I did not expect this, the core issue remains: only the suckers will stay. Workers that know and are needed will either go private or, what is more likely, accept the money and then be called back by the government as a private consultants at twice the price. Been there, seen that. Anyway, it seems that Elon is basically not doing anything... https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/02/12/elon-musk-is-failing-to-cut-american-spendingour review of official data shows that Mr Musk’s efforts have scarcely made a dent in spending. Sorry it is behind a paywall, but it is very easy to identify if spending is being cut because it is all recorded in the Treasury withdrawals... and there is actually an INCREASE year on year 
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the most funny thing is the media is looking at YoY spending even though the last budget payout was not january or february. but last september(using salary for example). and most is already spent/allocated/earmarked in contracts also the DEI program to buy the condoms for the middle east this year were already bought.. however by stopping departments giving to programs yearly, then from next contract period, less/none will be spent on wasteful programs, because departments are no longer involved with them scheming programs but you have to wait for the next budget round to see the net effect. there are some funding programs yet to spend funds this round which will be stopped. but most, yep most of the time the money is spent within X hours of the contract and the next funding round would be in 6 months-1 year later in the next budget round. where its diverted straight to the programs the day the departments get it from treasury, next round(NEW CONTRACTS).. so, not much can be done this time apart from preventing further spending in the next round(months away from now) much like how elon cant do much about the salary stuff NOW, as thats already contracted and set in place, but the contract expires in september and he wont renew at the same amount in october, but a lower amount for october(NEW CONTRACT) ... think about it like this although you spend your money(income) daily.. your employer is contracted yearly to pay you monthly. he cant change/touch your salary daily. thus your YoY daily spend wont change yet, heck your more likely to spend more today in preparation for knowing you wont have any money in a few months plus by contract once the monthly salary is given, its allocated for you to spend daily. so he cant ask for the daily spend amount back, its already contracted as being yours.. he has to wait for your yearly pay review to demote or fire you for non performance. ... so yes.. your income and spending is higher today than last year, due to inflation(not a shocker) but remember you have been told you dont have a job as of next september. and thats where the budget gets to see the savings made once your gone
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Seems like one has to have an account on Musk's shitty social platform to see the comments. Probably it would be mostly AI bot shit anyway and thus worse than useless. Better than nothing I suppose, but no thanks. If Musk want's my activity data feed he can pay me for it.
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Seems like one has to have an account on Musk's shitty social platform to see the comments. Probably it would be mostly AI bot shit anyway and thus worse than useless. Better than nothing I suppose, but no thanks. If Musk want's my activity data feed he can pay me for it. If you mean "X," I agree about the platform. I don't like the way it was set up. If you mean the links in the OP, I only looked at the site itself... which worked fine for me. I wasn't looking for any comments therein. 
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At least Trump lives and learns. Gracefully he shows us. And you are doing a reasonable job of it, too.  
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Feb 11, 2025 During remarks on the Senate floor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) accused President Trump and the billionaire 'oligarchs' such as Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff Bezos, of leading the United States to 'authoritarianism'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9lelf2102c&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNews
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There 'used' to be more truth in forums than anywhere else. TikTok Miracle2aT Spock: "I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously. To which are you referring?" INTJ-A
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all those US domestic DEI training contracts that total something like $2b (and thats excluding the usaid amount) of just current year.. and now we know why DEI got so viral and had so many influencers pushing it on social media ... $$$$ cha ching, they were paid i would love to see who the top guy that created the main/first contract application and idea of it, that triggered the trans-mania so all those woke people thinking their favourite guru/adviser/influencer was just giving them free life tips on social media to go get some surgery and medication to change their body and mind.. turns out 'they/them/shim' was paid to say it.. who'd have thought that the trans agenda wasnt just a natural conversation everyone just happen to have at the same time.. mhm yep we all knew someone was being paid to push it, and now the receipts are out in public i got nothing against peoples own independent sexual preference they decide/discover for themselves, (heck i come from a place and era where hagrid(robbie cultrane) was dressed as a nun(nuns on the run movie) and no one cared nor got offended), but when a massive paid for agenda was pushing people to change their identity, language and social etiquette.. um no thanks i bet even our very own forums achow101 is feeling duped and gaslit now, after having to tell his parents that their son andrew(him) is dead.. after advice he read online to do so in a scripted manner, by some government sponsored group
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Well, that's the kind of thing they have been doing to Trump all along. They even accused him of being President - when he was - and tied all kinds of bad language to it. They are trying to be the authority when it isn't heir place, and trying to condemn Trump for being the authority when it is his place to be. 
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Well, that's the kind of thing they have been doing to Trump all along. They even accused him of being President - when he was - and tied all kinds of bad language to it. They are trying to be the authority when it isn't heir place, and trying to condemn Trump for being the authority when it is his place to be.  A president of the United States is supposed to be the head of state and government not "the authority". It's the way our democratic republic is structured. The mass firing, offers of early retirement and agency shutdowns are more about getting rid of opposition and competency with hardly anything to do with "government efficiency". We don't even have to wait for it: those positions are being filled and new departments created. Musk tweeting a parasite meme and cutting social programs while corporate welfare is in full effect is really "something". I would say: "that's rich coming from... the wealthy elite". Checks and balances are being circumvented right now. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-1q6bfRpZdU ----> The Consumer Protection Bureau is not an agency that should be meddled with right now https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/judge-halts-cfpb-firings-00204464
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There 'used' to be more truth in forums than anywhere else. TikTok Miracle2aT Spock: "I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously. To which are you referring?" INTJ-A
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February 16, 2025, 06:37:01 AM |
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Well, that's the kind of thing they have been doing to Trump all along. They even accused him of being President - when he was - and tied all kinds of bad language to it. They are trying to be the authority when it isn't heir place, and trying to condemn Trump for being the authority when it is his place to be.  A president of the United States is supposed to be the head of state and government not "the authority". It's the way our democratic republic is structured. The mass firing, offers of early retirement and agency shutdowns are more about getting rid of opposition and competency with hardly anything to do with "government efficiency". We don't even have to wait for it: those positions are being filled and new departments created. Musk tweeting a parasite meme and cutting social programs while corporate welfare is in full effect is really "something". I would say: "that's rich coming from... the wealthy elite". Checks and balances are being circumvented right now. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-1q6bfRpZdU ----> The Consumer Protection Bureau is not an agency that should be meddled with right now https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/judge-halts-cfpb-firings-00204464Stop Elon from getting taxpayer's money? Why? If you have a business or want to start one, and the government offers Small Business or other loans, Does that mean you are required to take advantage of them? If somebody else DOES take advantage, does that make him bad? Why pick on Elon for taking advantage of government offers? Rather, take advantage yourself. DOGE isn't taking American money. DOGE is investigating where the money goes. If the investigations of DOGE find corruption in the money system, correct the system and the corruption. If you want money from government, apply for it correctly, and the odds are that you will get some. But don't take away the privilege of someone else to do it. 
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