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February 28, 2025, 06:59:02 AM
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Skipping everything that is a waste of time. My words stand for themselves, as do his, and the reader can form their own opinions.

I find what you find to be a waste of time interesting.

So what you are saying that is if I am to raise awareness about this problem (that definitely exists on more casinos than just bc.game, as we've already established with your data), that I must do so for all casinos at once?
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Of course I'm already of the assumption that you and many others in this thread instead prefer me to just stop speaking about it at all. Is that a rightful assumption?

No, stop assuming things.

So you prefer me not to stop speaking about casinos? Sorry for my wrongful assumption, that's just what I've gotten from your previous posts. Good to know that you don't prefer me to stop speaking about the casinos.

Firstly, what's the score on ignoring certain parts of each others post? I hardly skip over something, while you and others consistently ignore key details. Have you noticed that? Or do you think that is untrue?

Untrue, and more whataboutism.

I disagree, and I don't see the whataboutism in what you quoted.

I am not raising awareness about this casino just because I believe that icopress is a corrupt and shady character.

I don't believe you.

I'm not surprised.


You are entitled to your opinion. Have a great day.

It's a shame that I didn't get to learn yours about the main topic. Not surprised though. Have a great day.
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February 28, 2025, 03:22:42 PM
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"Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others."
On the lines of your egotistic attitude that I have already alluded to.

I am very concerned with malpractice and corruption about the forum, and asking the questions/saying the things no one else will always expense people who don't want to talk about those topics. Though, it is not out of being self-centered or preoccupied with myself. I am simply disappointed with the forum and how it has turned into a community that is not completely in-line with Bitcoin and its values, and yet succeeds and feeds unaligned people on the back of Bitcoin's name.
You (just as every other member) have a right to ask as many questions as you would like because if questions and debate are cast aside there is not much left in the forum.

Many others share your disappointment with the forum as far as the lack of migration to new software is concerned but probably for other reasons too for example distribution of merits and account rank system to name a few. On this, I can understand any frustration that manifests because members that care about the forum do not like the direction of certain aspects but the manner in which that frustration is channelled is extremely important.

If you are concerned with malpractice and corruption, you should articulate your case in a manner that does not alienate others and is designed to generate a welcomed debate. If you do not trust BC.Game that is your prerogative and of course you have a right to your opinion. Now, if I disagree with your opinion you might suggest I am participating in their signature campaign therefore am biased. I could apply the same logic and state you have an agenda against BC.Game because you are being paid by a competitor casino to participate in their signature campaign. The cycle continues.

It does not change the fact BC.Game have some resolved and some unresolved scam accusations but many casino/gaming websites are the same therefore we can come to our own judgment about them (just you did). Nor does it change the fact BC.Game paid out $7 million to a single winner therefore those that like/support/trust it whether participating in a signature campaign nor not, also have a right to their views.

It seems in the OP you alluded to the view of certain members running giveaways and adding BC.Game to their trust inclusions are effectively corrupt therefore are biased and will defend BC.Game. You then struck it out and that is a positive move. As for your personal grudge against icopress (most if us that recall the incident) are aware it coincided with you making multiple attempts to join his campaigns and refusal to hire you. On that basis it seems (as I am giving the benefit of the doubt) your dislike and distrust of BC.Game is more about your sentiments towards icopress.

You have called me a narcissist and someone with OCD in a single post...Though being that you are clearly a manipulative person, your comments don't particularly bother me. I believe that a good chunk of the forum who have interacted with you are aware that you are the true narcissist, and either use you as an asset in their power game, or fear getting on your bad side (otherwise attacks just like the one's you follow me with would likely ensue).
I will not seek details of how/why you have concluded I am a manipulative person, instead it is reassuring to know my words did not (and will not) bother you. Having said that, I will try to refrain from using certain words and I will try to engage with you.

Regarding your distrust of BC.Game, it has been noted therefore what remains to be discussed here?

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March 01, 2025, 01:27:17 PM
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Below are the DT users who I have excluded from my trust list for giving positive feedback to BC.Game:
Lol. Last week, you removed me from your Trust list after I called you out on your baseless accusations.
Instead of excluding good users, you should ask yourself why only 1 inactive user included you on him Trust list, while 10 others excluded you.
Lol. Big surprise:
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Trust list for: BenCodie (Trust: +3 / =3 / -1) (558 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2025-03-01_Sat_04.28h)
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BenCodie Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. ~nutildah (Trust: +18 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (22) 7913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~LoyceV (Trust: +33 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (56) 17222 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~JollyGood (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (1648 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~CLS63 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1691 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~icopress (Trust: +64 / =0 / -0) (10058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. ~1miau (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 7174 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~BC.GAME (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (177 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. ~Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Removed ~EarnOnVictor (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

So how's that power play working out for you OP:
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~BenCodie's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Timelord2067 (Trust: +23 / =16 / -1) (1281 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. suchmoon (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (8206 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. nutildah (Trust: +18 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (22) 7913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW klarki (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1 (-2) 3313 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. JollyGood (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (1648 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. icopress (Trust: +64 / =0 / -0) (10058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. 1miau (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 7174 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. BlackHatCoiner (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (8652 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW paid2 (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 3354 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. PowerGlove (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (5571 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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March 01, 2025, 02:34:16 PM
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Lol. Big surprise:

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That doesn't sound to me like thick skinned leader behaviour to be honest. I mean, if it were someone else I would see it as normal, but to throw that in his face sounds to me like being upset that he has excluded you and wanting to get in his face. Now all you can get is another one of his wall of text in response. But if it's the exception that proves the (thick skinned) rule or something, it's welcome.

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March 01, 2025, 02:47:13 PM
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That doesn't sound to me like thick skinned leader behaviour to be honest. I mean, if it were someone else I would see it as normal, but to throw that in his face sounds to me like being upset that he has excluded you and wanting to get in his face.
I'm not upset, it's just funny he did exactly what I expected. Excluding him in retaliation would be bad, and I see no reason to do so.

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Now all you can get is another one of his wall of text in response.
Lol.

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March 03, 2025, 03:34:43 PM
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"Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others."
On the lines of your egotistic attitude that I have already alluded to.

"Addicted to, or manifesting, egotism; having an exaggerated view of one's own importance or good qualities. "

I don't make much effort to exaggerate my own importance or my own good qualities. I naturally am who I am, I don't amplify that. I definitely amplify suspicious traits of others who wield power, for obvious reasons. That's still my perspective even after looking back at a lot of my posts.

I am very concerned with malpractice and corruption about the forum, and asking the questions/saying the things no one else will always expense people who don't want to talk about those topics. Though, it is not out of being self-centered or preoccupied with myself. I am simply disappointed with the forum and how it has turned into a community that is not completely in-line with Bitcoin and its values, and yet succeeds and feeds unaligned people on the back of Bitcoin's name.
You (just as every other member) have a right to ask as many questions as you would like because if questions and debate are cast aside there is not much left in the forum.

Many others share your disappointment with the forum as far as the lack of migration to new software is concerned but probably for other reasons too for example distribution of merits and account rank system to name a few. On this, I can understand any frustration that manifests because members that care about the forum do not like the direction of certain aspects but the manner in which that frustration is channelled is extremely important.

If you are concerned with malpractice and corruption, you should articulate your case in a manner that does not alienate others and is designed to generate a welcomed debate. If you do not trust BC.Game that is your prerogative and of course you have a right to your opinion. Now, if I disagree with your opinion you might suggest I am participating in their signature campaign therefore am biased. I could apply the same logic and state you have an agenda against BC.Game because you are being paid by a competitor casino to participate in their signature campaign. The cycle continues.

It does not change the fact BC.Game have some resolved and some unresolved scam accusations but many casino/gaming websites are the same therefore we can come to our own judgment about them (just you did). Nor does it change the fact BC.Game paid out $7 million to a single winner therefore those that like/support/trust it whether participating in a signature campaign nor not, also have a right to their views.

It seems in the OP you alluded to the view of certain members running giveaways and adding BC.Game to their trust inclusions are effectively corrupt therefore are biased and will defend BC.Game. You then struck it out and that is a positive move. As for your personal grudge against icopress (most if us that recall the incident) are aware it coincided with you making multiple attempts to join his campaigns and refusal to hire you. On that basis it seems (as I am giving the benefit of the doubt) your dislike and distrust of BC.Game is more about your sentiments towards icopress.

A lot of what you said here is fine. I don't have much of a problem with it nor do I have any comments. If there's something you want me to address that I didn't then quote it and I will respond.

You have called me a narcissist and someone with OCD in a single post...Though being that you are clearly a manipulative person, your comments don't particularly bother me. I believe that a good chunk of the forum who have interacted with you are aware that you are the true narcissist, and either use you as an asset in their power game, or fear getting on your bad side (otherwise attacks just like the one's you follow me with would likely ensue).
I will not seek details of how/why you have concluded I am a manipulative person, instead it is reassuring to know my words did not (and will not) bother you. Having said that, I will try to refrain from using certain words and I will try to engage with you.

Regarding your distrust of BC.Game, it has been noted therefore what remains to be discussed here?

The details involve your purposeful ignorance of the dates in which I began to see red flags with whirl wind - when you claimed that I applied for their campaign despite having red flags, when the truth was that I had noticed red flags many months after I applied for their campaign. You created and locked threads, created walls of text, and even left an invalid neutral trust rating based on this information that you made up or misunderstood.

There's not much else to be discussed, I'm only responding to people in this thread at this point. If I have something to add, I will add it down the track. Time will tell if bc.game are good for this community or not.

Below are the DT users who I have excluded from my trust list for giving positive feedback to BC.Game:
Lol. Last week, you removed me from your Trust list after I called you out on your baseless accusations.
Instead of excluding good users, you should ask yourself why only 1 inactive user included you on him Trust list, while 10 others excluded you.
Lol. Big surprise:
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Trust list for: BenCodie (Trust: +3 / =3 / -1) (558 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2025-03-01_Sat_04.28h)
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BenCodie Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. ~nutildah (Trust: +18 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (22) 7913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~LoyceV (Trust: +33 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (56) 17222 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~JollyGood (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (1648 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~CLS63 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1691 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~icopress (Trust: +64 / =0 / -0) (10058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. ~1miau (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 7174 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~BC.GAME (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (177 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. ~Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Removed ~EarnOnVictor (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

So how's that power play working out for you OP:
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~BenCodie's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Timelord2067 (Trust: +23 / =16 / -1) (1281 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. suchmoon (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (8206 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. nutildah (Trust: +18 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (22) 7913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW klarki (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1 (-2) 3313 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. JollyGood (Trust: +19 / =2 / -0) (1648 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. icopress (Trust: +64 / =0 / -0) (10058 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. 1miau (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 7174 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. BlackHatCoiner (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (8652 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Free Market Capitalist (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 2463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW paid2 (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 3354 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. PowerGlove (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (5571 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

There were multiple things that you said and didn't say in our previous conversations that lead to my conclusion that I no longer trust you. I am happy to share the quotes and reasons if you like.

That doesn't sound to me like thick skinned leader behaviour to be honest. I mean, if it were someone else I would see it as normal, but to throw that in his face sounds to me like being upset that he has excluded you and wanting to get in his face.
I'm not upset, it's just funny he did exactly what I expected. Excluding him in retaliation would be bad, and I see no reason to do so.

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Now all you can get is another one of his wall of text in response.
Lol.

I don't need to post a wall of text.

LoyceV, I trusted you despite believing your tools should be open source so that they can be self-hosted instead of reliant on your server (and wondering for what reason they aren't), and despite this, still had you as someone I would trust...and while it means nothing in this broken trust system, you are off my trust list. Nutildah, you've always been questionable and I never knew if I trusted your general existence or not, and even though you were quick to put ~BenCodie on your list...now, I officially do not trust you...because you're right, our values are different, and on a personal level I don't believe yours are morally a high enough standard to be trusted.

I lost my trust for LoyceV here and after a pattern of behavior of intentionally ignoring parts of posts that would provide key details to a topic (which I find untrustworthy) I added LoyceV and nutildah to my distrust list.
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March 03, 2025, 04:38:31 PM
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I tallied all the casino threads in Scam Accusations that were either posted or bumped in the last year (17 pages -- it should be noted that many of these complaints were resolved, miscommunications, erroneous or duplications), and here is a list of the top 10 casinos by total # of threads, along with their domain rating according to ahrefs (a rough indicator of the popularity of a website based on its number of backlinks):

BC.GAME: 44 - 79
Rollbit: 37 - 62
Stake: 28 - 80
Shuffle: 19 - 63
Sportsbet.io: 17 - 76
Freebitco.in: 12 - 80
TrustDice: 9 - 68
Fortunejack: 8 - 70
Chips.gg: 7 - 40
DuelBits: 7 - 66

So dividing the complaints by domain rating gives you an idea of how frequent complaints are relative to the site's number of backlinks:

BC.GAME: 0.557
Rollbit: 0.597
Stake: 0.35
Shuffle: 0.302
Sportsbet.io: 0.224
Freebitco.in: 0.15
TrustDice: 0.132
Fortunejack: 0.114
Chips.gg: 0.175
DuelBits: 0.106

So this does put BC.GAME on the high side.

Another way to measure would be by complaints/traffic (in thousands of hits per month, also from ahrefs):

BC.GAME: 44/649.7 = 0.068
Rollbit: 37/22 = 1.68
Stake: 28/1700 = 0.016
Shuffle: 19/15.3 = 1.24
Sportsbet.io: 17/560.2 = 0.03
Freebitco.in: 12/431.1 = 0.028
TrustDice: 9/17.3 = 0.52
Fortunejack: 8/8.4 = 0.952
Chips.gg: 7/0.666 = 10.5
DuelBits: 7/12.7 = 0.551

Here the results are much more varied, but BC.GAME is much lower than average.

The point being, if a site get a lot more traffic, its bound to have more complaints.

This doesn't take into account cases that were never posted by more vulnerable victims, which is a key point of this thread.
As mentioned by a member earlier in this thread, the burden of proof is with you because you are the one making the allegation. You have presented nothing of substance against BC.Game (or against icopress for that matter).

The details involve your purposeful ignorance of the dates in which I began to see red flags with whirl wind - when you claimed that I applied for their campaign despite having red flags, when the truth was that I had noticed red flags many months after I applied for their campaign. You created and locked threads, created walls of text, and even left an invalid neutral trust rating based on this information that you made up or misunderstood.
I disagree with your version of events.

The manner in which you exposed your selfish behaviour towards the community (regarding the Whirlwind campaign) was your own doing and you only have yourself to blame for how members feel towards you. Furthermore, the feedback I left for your is valid and appropriate but based on the seriousness of the situation probably should have been negative. Your retaliatory feedback was unjustified but it does not concern me.

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This doesn't take into account cases that were never posted by more vulnerable victims, which is a key point of this thread.
As mentioned by a member earlier in this thread, the burden of proof is with you because you are the one making the allegation. You have presented nothing of substance against BC.Game (or against icopress for that matter).[/quote]

A track record of only resolving issues that are posted on the forum alongside having tens to hundreds of issues in total is of enough substance to at least suspect that bc.game is stealing from members who do not have a voice on the forum, or who are more vulnerable to KYC checks due to privacy concerns or language barriers.

The details involve your purposeful ignorance of the dates in which I began to see red flags with whirl wind - when you claimed that I applied for their campaign despite having red flags, when the truth was that I had noticed red flags many months after I applied for their campaign. You created and locked threads, created walls of text, and even left an invalid neutral trust rating based on this information that you made up or misunderstood.
I disagree with your version of events.

The manner in which you exposed your selfish behaviour towards the community (regarding the Whirlwind campaign) was your own doing and you only have yourself to blame for how members feel towards you. Furthermore, the feedback I left for your is valid and appropriate but based on the seriousness of the situation probably should have been negative. Your retaliatory feedback was unjustified but it does not concern me.

When beliefs are put aside, anyone feeling any type of way toward me for getting paid to have a signature is likely a hypocrite, as they are more than likely to also be getting paid to wear a signature. The whole notion is still invalid and anyone who is judging me for wearing one while also wearing one, well, I could not really care less about those people's feelings.

As for your feedback, you can try and manipulate again by trying to say it's valid, though the fact is that it's invalid as it does not take into account that I did not think there were red flags at the time the campaign was posted/time I applied, while you say in your feedback that I applied for the campaign "despite knowing red flags" (untrue).

Ironically, a big deal was made out of me not posting when I had red flags, to which I responded "There was not enough hard proof yet", to which the general response was that I should have posted anyway to protect the community - now here I am doing so for bc.game, a platform showing red flags, and it doesn't seem all too appreciated. Funny that  Roll Eyes
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Buddy. I think your tongue is your enemy.

It's idiotic that you're trying to refer to the fact that I managed the Betnomi campaign and the Mixer campaigns. The mentioned Mixer and the company providing the software are the oldest in this niche and have been working smoothly since 2018. And when I managed the Betnomi campaign, I made sure that they gave large sums to non-commercial events, not to mention that there was not a single unresolved case with users, since I always contacted the owner and asked to postpone everything in order to consider this or that case.

This is my last message to any of your nonsense.

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Buddy. I think your tongue is your enemy.

It's idiotic that you're trying to refer to the fact that I managed the Betnomi campaign and the Mixer campaigns. The mentioned Mixer and the company providing the software are the oldest in this niche and have been working smoothly since 2018. And when I managed the Betnomi campaign, I made sure that they gave large sums to non-commercial events, not to mention that there was not a single unresolved case with users, since I always contacted the owner and asked to postpone everything in order to consider this or that case.

This is my last message to any of your nonsense.

Good job starting your post with a condescending sentence to make the other party seem less credible. Means nothing to me.

Who cares how much you "made sure" Betnomi gave away in non-commercial events, when they ended up rugging anyway? As far as I'm concerned that's pig butchering (investing in building trust only to scam at the end), and that's what's public...it doesn't include any unspoken malpractice prior to shutting down. As for the mixer company, I'm not going to take your word for it, and if you don't want me theorizing in public, how about sharing with us all what your relationship with Ja mbler is? Your primary motivation was not to run their signature campaign, it was more than that, which ties into my general belief that that you are more than just a "campaign manager".  You're welcome to say the following if you want to publicly deny that you have more involvement than just managing campaigns:
"I, icopress, have only ever managed campaigns for projects. I never have any financial incentive outside of what I am paid strictly for running signature/bounty/advertising campaigns, and have never had any additional financial incentives/stake in anything that I promote.".
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These are the campaigns I found that were/are managed by icopress and you asked to join. You cite Betnomi as a scam yet you yourself asked to be enrolled with the words "Hi. Can I please enter this campaign?". Does this not embarrass you?

eXch: https://ninjastic.space/post/63153170
Webmixer: https://ninjastic.space/post/62914497
eXch: https://ninjastic.space/post/62730290
0xBET: https://ninjastic.space/post/62711173
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62698826
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62688851
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62658980
AgoraDesk: https://ninjastic.space/post/62563061
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62399331
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62358636
Betnomi: https://ninjastic.space/post/61460878 (Hi. Can I please enter this campaign?)

It seems somewhat incomprehensible for you to be pushing an agenda about lack of trust towards icopress/Betnomi/Jambler in a thread about you not trusting BC.Game. I doubt anybody reading actually believes this thread is about BC.Game. On the contrary, it seems to be about your sentiments towards icopress ever since he overlooked you when you wanted to participate in several campaigns he managed.

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I wanted to stay away from this troll here even though my name was mentioned in this subject a few times but I want to answer from now on. What is the exact reason that you added me to this topic?



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These are the campaigns I found that were/are managed by icopress and you asked to join. You cite Betnomi as a scam yet you yourself asked to be enrolled with the words "Hi. Can I please enter this campaign?". Does this not embarrass you?

eXch: https://ninjastic.space/post/63153170
Webmixer: https://ninjastic.space/post/62914497
eXch: https://ninjastic.space/post/62730290
0xBET: https://ninjastic.space/post/62711173
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62698826
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62688851
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62658980
AgoraDesk: https://ninjastic.space/post/62563061
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62399331
MixTum: https://ninjastic.space/post/62358636
Betnomi: https://ninjastic.space/post/61460878 (Hi. Can I please enter this campaign?)

It seems somewhat incomprehensible for you to be pushing an agenda about lack of trust towards icopress/Betnomi/Jambler in a thread about you not trusting BC.Game. I doubt anybody reading actually believes this thread is about BC.Game. On the contrary, it seems to be about your sentiments towards icopress ever since he overlooked you when you wanted to participate in several campaigns he managed.


What part of it is embarrassing? That before I dug and learnt more about icopress, I applied to campaigns ran by him? This is just like your whirlwind manipulation all over again. You are failing to acknowledge the time in which things happen. All of what you posted was prior to being more informed. Applying to betnomi was before the fact it was a scam and before I suspected involvement by icopress. Everything else were just normal signature campaign applications, which you could compile for anyone on the forum. Since digging and learning more about icopress and shadow information about the community, I stay away from icopress campaigns and I don't trust icopress as well as a growing list of others. After betnomi, after other red flags that I have found and may one day post about (when there's a air tight case, if ever), I learned he was likely to be a suspicious character and not a good force for the community.

I wanted to stay away from this troll here even though my name was mentioned in this subject a few times but I want to answer from now on. What is the exact reason that you added me to this topic?



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I'm not a troll.

The mistake in that information is that they gave you money then you gave them a trust rating. You nor the pool risked anything to receive that money, therefore no trust was actually involved. The trust rating was essentially purchased through their sponsorship, a transaction in which you or the "Fantasy Premier League" risked nothing to be a part of. If entities can sponsor groups or members for trust, that is dangerous and will enable those with capital resources to increase their trust by throwing their money around, just as has happened here.

Once could argue the "Fantasy Premier League" risked advertising bc.game for no payment, though that is highly unlikely that any entity would instantly destroy their brand by taking a free ad and then not paying, and this also does not consider if it was paid before the advertising or afterward (if before, there was truly no risk or trust involved here, if anything, bc.game trusted "Fantasy Premier League" to apply the advertisement, which then bc.game leaving trust for "Fantasy Premier League" is more appropriate.
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The mistake in that information is that they gave you money then you gave them a trust rating. You nor the pool risked anything to receive that money, therefore no trust was actually involved.

This is incorrect. When someone says they're gonna do something involving money, and then they do it, that is reasonable grounds for leaving a positive trust. It demonstrates the ability to follow through on a financial obligation. It was already obvious from your posts about DT that you don't really understand how the trust system functions, but now your hatred is blinding your ability to think clearly.

 
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The mistake in that information is that they gave you money then you gave them a trust rating. You nor the pool risked anything to receive that money, therefore no trust was actually involved.

This is incorrect. When someone says they're gonna do something involving money, and then they do it, that is reasonable grounds for leaving a positive trust. It demonstrates the ability to follow through on a financial obligation. It was already obvious from your posts about DT that you don't really understand how the trust system functions, but now your hatred is blinding your ability to think clearly.

So by your logic, I should be leaving a trust rating for betfury and ab de royse for my current campaign, and leave the brand and the campaign manager a positive trust rating for every other campaign I participate in as well, as should everyone else? As that is the same logic.

Do you not see a problem in allowing advertising payments to influence the rating that determines if someone is trustworthy? I am not blinded, I just see a very clear problem, that the current system allows people and entities to essentially purchase trust.

As for the posts about DT, remind me how long ago that was again? Seems like you're beating an old drum just to validate what you're saying and to discredit any opinion I have about the trust system.
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So by your logic, I should be leaving a trust rating for betfury and ab de royse for my current campaign, and leave the brand and the campaign manager a positive trust rating for every other campaign I participate in as well, as should everyone else? As that is the same logic.

No, that's not what I'm saying. You're going out of your way to misunderstand things, so this will be my last post in this thread. Whether you understand it or not, well, I can only do so much.

To be clear, leaving a trust for a campaign manager is completely up to you. As is leaving a positive trust for anybody who said they are going to do something involving money and then does it. As is leaving any kind of trust - positive, negative, or neutral - at all.

I am simply explaining why leaving a positive trust is OK when someone follows through on a financial obligation. I didn't say anything about what you personally should or shouldn't be doing.

Yes, its true that sometimes people go out of their way to farm trust through giveaways and whatever. However, that doesn't necessarily make the positive feedback they receive invalid.

I am not blinded, I just see a very clear problem, that the current system allows people and entities to essentially purchase trust.

This has been a side effect of the trust system since the beginning of time. As with every other forum operation you have a complaint about, its not a perfect system. If you don't like it, don't use it. You haven't changed the way I feel about anything regarding the trust system, and in my humble opinion, the manner in which you've chosen to express your opinion won't change anybody else's mind, either.

As for the posts about DT, remind me how long ago that was again? Seems like you're beating an old drum just to validate what you're saying and to discredit any opinion I have about the trust system.

It was less than 4 days ago, in this thread.

 
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No, that's not what I'm saying. You're going out of your way to misunderstand things, so this will be my last post in this thread. Whether you understand it or not, well, I can only do so much.

Honestly, I am not going out of my way to do anything.

Yes, its true that sometimes people go out of their way to farm trust through giveaways and whatever. However, that doesn't necessarily make the positive feedback they receive invalid.

Is that not a form of using money to game a system that is designed to measure the trustworthiness of a member?

I am not blinded, I just see a very clear problem, that the current system allows people and entities to essentially purchase trust.

This has been a side effect of the trust system since the beginning of time. As with every other forum operation you have a complaint about, its not a perfect system. If you don't like it, don't use it. You haven't changed the way I feel about anything regarding the trust system, and in my humble opinion, the manner in which you've chosen to express your opinion won't change anybody else's mind, either.

I'm guessing that the top of the bitcointalk pyramid do not want it to change and thus another case of corruption preventing evolution. Right? Such a shame how this forum is so contradictory to what Bitcoin is all about, and how corrupt this forum is. It sees a problem, it knows a problem, but for some strange reason, doesn't want to fix the problem.

I don't expect to change how you feel, as you've made it clear many times that you are not a person who is for change or evolution and that you are quite comfortable with where you sit currently. This is common for someone who sits comfortably and high-up in a corrupt system.

As for the posts about DT, remind me how long ago that was again? Seems like you're beating an old drum just to validate what you're saying and to discredit any opinion I have about the trust system.

It was less than 4 days ago, in this thread.

You're going to have to quote because I don't see it.
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@holydarkness, don’t bother throwing out challenges or acting like you’re above suspicion. In this world, anything is possible, and given the way you defend these casinos, it wouldn’t be surprising if you were tied to Curacao’s shady operations yourself.

Such a bold statement from someone who caught red-handed fabricating statement to drive the narrative into his favor. Tell me again, how many other false and misleading statements you made in your case that is yet to be unearthed?

But thanks, that post remind me that I actually have not addressed OP's question about me.



OP, sorry for the very delayed response. Though I'll say that I am glad that it took me this long to answer. The first three days when I initially tried to draft a reply, though I've been walking out rather often whenever I find it challenging to patiently address the intelligence of yours that's reflected in your post as it is alarmingly questionable, my final draft is still full of R-rated words.

Understanding the situation now that you're simply trying to throw muds at someone and I just happened to be your collateral damage that you'll happily drag into the mud, regardless of the situation that you're rather well understand, which accidentally also show the length of your intelligence, helps me compose a better mannered response:

I originally stated that you are welcome to plainly, simply and clearly state that you do not receive an incentive to do what you do for casinos.

I also believe that holydarkness is not a random good Samaritan. There is incentive or motivation for him to do what he does from another party. I welcome him to publicly deny this officially for the record.

All that you needed to reply from the beginning in response was something like this:
I, holydarkness, am a good Samaritan who does not receive any form of incentive or motivation to communicate with casinos to resolve scam accusations for users..

The incentive being outside of the signature campaign (if that wasn't already obvious)

As for my second statement, what I had put in brackets was an alternative way of wording what you have not publicly denied (that what you do is nothing more than charitable, and that you receive no incentive from casinos - alternatively phrased (or, in other words) that you work for the casinos as a bridge between them and the people - you are paid to do damage control:
You've wasted a lot of time in this post...you've made a lot of statements about connections to casinos, but did not once publicly deny that what you do is nothing more than charitable, and that you receive no incentive from casinos to do so (in other words, you work for the casinos, as a bridge between them and the people - you are paid to do damage control) - again, welcoming you to publicly and officially deny this on the record. I doubt you will.

I somewhat still stand with most of my original response that was part of my earlier draft for this statement, though it is now very demure and very mindful: what good shall it bring?

People asked so many times, I patiently tell them that I am not, but that they're free to prove otherwise. Yet it kept being asked over and over and over. One person, to another, each with their own agenda.

Imagine being someone who spent a lot of time, literally handling situation and trying to help as many sides as I can, and the "pay back" I get was people like you trying to paint me as bad and question my sincerity by challenging me, welcoming me to publicly deny that I got incentivized for bridging with casinos.

This question should not even be asked by someone who made a post in a neighboring thread, that made him fully aware about a post where I explained something like this:

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About basically the casino win... well, wow, I must have done a very poor job to ensure that, given at most cases, if the players were not found guilty, I managed to push BC to pay. For example:

BC v. Azasapos, 350,000 USD
BC v. Mikaela13, 7,800 USD
BC v. Neymar5, 14,000 USD
BC v. CBGAM, 13,000 USD

And let's not forget one of the most epic case in SA board, though I'll have to say I don't really remember how huge of the effort I poured in that case and how active the player in chasing the resolution from his side, BC v. justincase78, 7,000,000 USD
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That should already so obvious --at least for those with IQ above room temperature, in Celsius-- to answer that question of yours. I mean, I got compensated by BC [or any other casino] for bridging issues with them? My involvement basically resulted in either proving that the players are indeed abusers or... [prepare your notebook and write this down] I get the casinos to have to pay the players. And they compensate me for this? In what crazy world would a company pay someone to get them lose money?

Logic? Use them.

But well, I think I can [kinda have to here] understand that it's rather hard for you to understand. I mean, you seems to find a difficulty in understanding that "push" here refers to a figure of speech that I am asking them and bothering them on daily basis to keep things in motion instead of pushing in the sense of applying some force.

About basically the casino win... well, wow, I must have done a very poor job to ensure that, given at most cases, if the players were not found guilty, I managed to push BC to pay. For example:

Now, why does bc.game, a casino with a +20 / 0 / 0 reputation on the forum have to be "pushed to pay"?

So, here, let me help you: I am not get compensated by any casino for the work I do helping people get their issues with casinos resolved.

There, the statement. Feel free to not take my words for granted and prove that I got compensated by casinos for solving cases.

I am obviously not interested in your bet as I don't have access to your private communications (which even so, messages can be deleted) nor do I have access to your wallets (also can be deleted). I have only been interested in a sentence along the lines of:
I, holydarkness, am a good Samaritan who does not receive any form of incentive or motivation to communicate with casinos to resolve scam accusations for users.

Understandable.

When push comes to shove, the individuals involved in pushing and shoving usually need a backbone. The absence or the lack of its existence, or perhaps the dysfunction of it, tends to make people have to back away as they are incapable of doing the activity.

Since I mentioned you. Not sure what the problem is with welcome you to post something so simple...I personally would have accepted that, as putting something in clear writing is something that a lot of guilty people around here tend to avoid doing. I have not actually accused you of any wrongdoing if you correctly read my posts, only stated my belief and provided alternative wording, with a welcome for you to clearly deny it.

My problem? And something so simple? Let me ask you something before I answer that: did you think it through? Before you ask? Before you construct the "fair belief" that you have? I am talking about that whole "threaten me over a fair belief."

I mean, fair belief? Fair belief?? Fair belief. Ha.

In what world is it fair?

Did you try to put your feet in my shoes when you proposed me that question? I spent hours of my personal time, daily, trying to get matters resolved, chasing casino reps to attend to cases.

There were instances where the casino's rep weren't active for a long time and I have to track them down, writing emails, waiting in queue for live support, being thrown from one department to other department of emails only to be told that I should escalate to other department. I have a notebook full of scribbled things to do, what cases against whom that's still open, what point should be inquired to which casino and what info should be relayed to what member. Pages and pages of them.

And what I get is someone ask me if I get paid by casinos for bridging them, hiding under "fair belief"? That most likely built with a bias and prejudice so great that the belief is so myopic that it failed to see the simple logic proposed above: why would a casino pay someone to bridge them only to cost them money because that person literally demanded them to pay the players.

Suppose you're saying I am overreacting by simple question of "fair belief",

I am pouring all of myself into each and every cases I handle, exhausting all the effort I have to get them resolved, never expecting any form of return other than a satisfaction I feel when someone gets what's rightfully theirs and read how happy they are, or a satisfaction in form of getting scammers cornered with their lies and attempt to cheat casinos [which, in case it missed your brain where logic should reside] is also members of this forum that has right to be protected and treated as an equal as other members, to feel safe to roam around the boards of the forum.

And what do I get instead? A "genius" with whatever agenda or vendetta against someone or a platform or whatever that is that I couldn't care less, who dragged me into muds because I am a collateral damage in his agenda to drive a narrative. That is fair?

Wondering if logic has to come with IQ way above the temperature of boiling water [again, in Celsius] in order for it to work smoothly.

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I'm guessing that the top of the bitcointalk pyramid do not want it to change and thus another case of corruption preventing evolution. Right? Such a shame how this forum is so contradictory to what Bitcoin is all about, and how corrupt this forum is. It sees a problem, it knows a problem, but for some strange reason, doesn't want to fix the problem.

Buddy, even the law is blind, you're caught redhanded spoiling the reputation of a brand that doesn't have anything against them on the forum, them paying millions of dollar case would be reasonable for any sane person to believe that.

Do you know what? Distrusting them yourself is one thing, but in public asking others to follow through what you want (aka peer pressure) isn't a good trait to have in my opinion, it's a crime in many countries to spoil the reputation of some business without any substantial proof.

If you do that IRL, would you call the law/court corrupt? If so, do you want me to write detailed instructions as to how you can get a third chance? // This is the least I can do, since you were to kind to offer me a second chance in my thread.
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Buddy, even the law is blind, you're caught redhanded spoiling the reputation of a brand that doesn't have anything against them on the forum, them paying millions of dollar case would be reasonable for any sane person to believe that.

Do you know what? Distrusting them yourself is one thing, but in public asking others to follow through what you want (aka peer pressure) isn't a good trait to have in my opinion, it's a crime in many countries to spoil the reputation of some business without any substantial proof.

You have been caught red handed multiple times trying to ruin other forum members' reputation in the reputation board, how about that? How do you see that? Finally, you got caught and you sold your account and came here with a newbie account. LOL. If your account was hacked, you could simply sign a message from your wallet and ask the recovery team to recover your account. But that is not what happened in your case.

I see how aggressive you were towards the people. If someone talked against you, you jumped over them and tried to ruin their reputation. Now you are criticizing BenCodie here. Irony!

NB: I have nothing against BC game, and Bencodie.

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