My AI experiment on the forum

[lovesmayfamilis]

Can't really wrap my head around why the use of AI is so important to some guys in this forum, even more disappointing to see someone that is prefer much reputable in terms of forum categories yet still find it necessary to use AI for posting.

What exactly is there for anyone to say/write that requires the use of AI in the forum, I guess it's either one is posting to get paid or posting to something in return (whatever it could be) because basically if one is clueless in any post or thread it's pretty much easy to leave the thread without your contribution than use AI.

"Maybe even the gatekeepers might be the actual reason for the gate keeping"

I think the reason is not that some people can't write something without AI; on the contrary, their knowledge and experiences do not give them peace and make them test AI in different ways. It would be more useful to understand where it is worth doing and where it is not worth trying at all. Here the factor called "I'm cooler, and they won't catch me" works, but alas...
I see that people already set up GPT Chat in some Telegram channels so that it performs many tasks for them in order to free their hands. Here are translations and humanization of texts, the creation of automatic actions on a schedule, the creation of resumes, and so on. Here and there we see that AI fills and replaces a person.
Probably, this is what the OP wanted to do: to set up his tool so that it parodies his style. Is it bad for the owner to have a machine do everything for him?
It is bad for the community, the one who is deceived and puts a bot for a person, and it is bad that there was no warning. Waiting for a ban or tag from the moderators, perfectly understanding that the moderators cannot grasp so much information, also looks very cunning.
 
Here there was a deception of both the manager and everyone in general, although the explanation that was given as some kind of subsequent benefit for the forum did not lead to anything more than disappointment.

[Ultegra134]

Can't really wrap my head around why the use of AI is so important to some guys in this forum, even more disappointing to see someone that is prefer much reputable in terms of forum categories yet still find it necessary to use AI for posting.

What exactly is there for anyone to say/write that requires the use of AI in the forum, I guess it's either one is posting to get paid or posting to something in return (whatever it could be) because basically if one is clueless in any post or thread it's pretty much easy to leave the thread without your contribution than use AI.

"Maybe even the gatekeepers might be the actual reason for the gate keeping"

It's all about minimizing the work they have to do. If you're in a signature campaign, requiring to write about 20 to 25 posts, then you're going to have to spend a few minutes to a few hours per day to meet your quota. However, by having a service, such as ChatGPT or Deepseek, practically automate the thinking and writing process, you're saving time. You only need to quote the post you want to reply to, and it'll come up with a response. On top of that, it enables you to respond to topics you cannot, such as technical boards etc.

I can't understand how someone like OP can be so clueless, or just stupid to believe that he wouldn't be caught eventually, I highly doubt that he hadn't seen the AI report topic.

[Churchillvv]

Never heard of the OP and I’ve been around for a mn. Not sure reputable is appropriate here.

Sure, not everyone knows everyone! True you may not have come across the user since we have millions of people on the forum and his just an atom or less than an atom.

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Probably, this is what the OP wanted to do: to set up his tool so that it parodies his style. Is it bad for the owner to have a machine do everything for him?
It is bad for the community, the one who is deceived and puts a bot for a person, and it is bad that there was no warning. Waiting for a ban or tag from the moderators, perfectly understanding that the moderators cannot grasp so much information, also looks very cunning.

There is no justification for using AI and of course it's very hilarious to see it happen within the forum status that is considered noble while we have shitty coolers in such category.

Using AI to portray his style might sound cool if it's not within a community that values raw knowledge as this forum.

I also wonder what exactly are guys who use AI busy with? In the office ? at school? of course in a collage student and I'm still here! working remote jobs. it doesn't cost much of a time or your leisure to look into the forum do your shit and continue with whatever makes you busy to the extent of want AI to do the thinking for you.

Just as you mentioned, using AI on telegram or another platform is quite cool but in a discussion does it sound cool, does AI know what you want to write ? I know you must have to prompt it to do what you want, do you lack vocabulary? that makes one what to use it for discussion? seeking answers could be good if you're lazy or even making writing codes it's cool but responding to discussions as this? how cool can it be?.

Here there was a deception of both the manager and everyone in general, although the explanation that was given as some kind of subsequent benefit for the forum did not lead to anything more than disappointment.

A shot on ones leg? 

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Just like I said there is no justification! Maybe we ( those disappointed) are just disappointed because of our over expectations from the last level of rank up (Legendary members) believing they can't do things others do because they are long enough in the forum.

[Alone055]

I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse.

Your intention was probably to continue doing that if you didn't get caught, but unfortunately, you got caught way too early, and then you had to come up with something, which is calling it an experiment to help the community against the usage of AI when the community is doing just fine because most of the AI spammers are caught and given neutral tags.

And it takes some time for the forum to detect the AI posts.

It's not the forum, it's the users who do that, and they do it only because they don't want other users to read posts written not by humans but by bots, and to not allow people to misuse the freedom they get in this space.

But since i get busted is time to share my experience and the knowledge, that way we can build better tools for the AI detection.

Or, "Since I got busted, it's time to fool the community."

i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win.

Wait, I want to quote a part of your post for this point:

Your goal is to produce writing with **less than 3% AI-generated probability** according to tools like GPTZero or Sapling.

Now, the fact that you got caught even after having this line in your prompt shows that AI, at least for now, is losing this war/fight against humans in this forum.

My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins)

Lol, you've literally added everything you could to make the responses as undetectable as possible in your prompt, and you still say that it was really basic. And, mods and admins don't have time to check posts of users, whether AI writes them or not; they only act when the posts are reported. So I don't know why you were having that expectation in the first place.

Can we win the war against AI?

You, getting caught after using a prompt that literally asked the AI model to do everything possible to avoid detection, is proof that we are winning the war, so far.

If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating?

No, but one can make it easier and use a tool such as Grammarly to get help with things like that. I use it myself, and it only helps me correct small mistakes in my writing, and that's not cheating at all.

If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating?

Of course, why use an AI in the first place? If you can't write a response yourself, you shouldn't be in a forum where writing is the fundamental requirement if you want to take part in discussions unless you are only a reader. And, if you are in it only to make money by using AI models and whatnot, you deserve to either get banned or tagged for doing that when you get caught.

If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum?

I don't think so, as long as the generated image isn't an exact replica of another image that already exists, in which case, it could be copying someone else's work, and that can be frowned upon.

I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion?

Wait, what? Are you encouraging users to use AI to make posts since the posts can have a better quality, and are you encouraging advertisers or managers to make it acceptable because you believe it can be better for promotional purposes?

[EarnOnVictor]

I think the reason is not that some people can't write something without AI; on the contrary, their knowledge and experiences do not give them peace and make them test AI in different ways.

I wonder how bad this will be for the next generation, as it has even started with our generation. The rotteness in creative thinking and writing must be at an alarming state by then. I hope AI will not cause more issues than the benefits it creates.

Is it bad for the owner to have a machine do everything for him?
It is bad for the community, the one who is deceived and puts a bot for a person, and it is bad that there was no warning.

Well, for me, I am indifferent about this if the right message is duly passed. However, rules are rules, if AI is not acceptable, then the rule should be honoured by every user.

Waiting for a ban or tag from the moderators, perfectly understanding that the moderators cannot grasp so much information, also looks very cunning.

You are right, and they are human beings. Some AI's work is near perfect as well, it's difficult to detect, except for plagiarism. I've always given moderators kudos for the good work being done so far.

[mindrust]

I don’t understand it…

If you want to post AI content without getting detected, here is the ultimate pro tip:

Talk to AI.

Every fucking day.

Milk it dry.

Ask anything that comes to your mind.

Anything.

Philosophy, mathematics, existential issues, crypto, stocks, politics, religion, health…

Have I missed anything? I probably did.

Then what?

When you keep doing this for weeks, months… Eventually you’ll absorb a percentage of AI’s own wisdom and you’ll be talking like AI but with your own words and that will give you the ultimate AI detection pass.

How do I know it?

 

[Ultegra134]

Just like I said there is no justification! Maybe we ( those disappointed) are just disappointed because of our over expectations from the last level of rank up (Legendary members) believing they can't do things others do because they are long enough in the forum.

Well, from my experience, the usual suspects that use AI are accounts ranked from Newbie to Member, a large number of them from third world countries and/or with poor English knowledge. Not long ago I had made a post with the exact amounts of reported members, from each rank individually, in the AI report thread, but it's been a while so I can't quickly recall the numbers.

In general, spotting higher ranked accounts using AI isn't that common, one reason is that some of us may not suspect that a higher ranked user is using AI, secondly, sometimes a combination of tools is used, such as Humanizers that make the text much more difficult to detect, especially with a naked eye, and thirdly, because it's far less common than newbies or Jr accounts.

[Churchillvv]

Well, from my experience, the usual suspects that use AI are accounts ranked from Newbie to Member, a large number of them from third world countries and/or with poor English knowledge. Not long ago I had made a post with the exact amounts of reported members, from each rank individually, in the AI report thread, but it's been a while so I can't quickly recall the numbers.

In general, spotting higher ranked accounts using AI isn't that common, one reason is that some of us may not suspect that a higher ranked user is using AI,...

A major reason why I think people do not suspect high ranked members is probably the effort it takes to grow an account time and most likely the creativity in making quality post that receives merit and then blow it up using AI. Someone with the right thinking mindset would definitely never make an attempt on that.

However except it's an alt and the user has no regrets if it's ban or detected then the use of AI is probably an option.

secondly, sometimes a combination of tools is used, such as Humanizers that make the text much more difficult to detect, especially with a naked eye, and thirdly, because it's far less common than newbies or Jr accounts.

This case of using combination of tools to make a post, is now concerning to me because it's totally fucked up for someone with a good knowledge of the forum and bitcoin or whatsoever knowledge spend a good time writing from one humanizer to another copying and pasting just to end up getting a very low detectable post hence it leaves me to ask "isn't that time too much to make the post with your own knowledge rather than AI's knowledge?"

[Ultegra134]

A major reason why I think people do not suspect high ranked members is probably the effort it takes to grow an account time and most likely the creativity in making quality post that receives merit and then blow it up using AI. Someone with the right thinking mindset would definitely never make an attempt on that.

However except it's an alt and the user has no regrets if it's ban or detected then the use of AI is probably an option.

This case of using combination of tools to make a post, is now concerning to me because it's totally fucked up for someone with a good knowledge of the forum and bitcoin or whatsoever knowledge spend a good time writing from one humanizer to another copying and pasting just to end up getting a very low detectable post hence it leaves me to ask "isn't that time too much to make the post with your own knowledge rather than AI's knowledge?"

Usually higher ranked members using AI are alts or sold accounts that are utilized to fetch more money from the forum to their wallets, others are simply people who believe that they won't get caught and that way, they'll save time by using AI to write their posts for them. Someone with a mind over their head wouldn't risk their account to simply save some time, but people work in mysterious ways.

In theory, going through the trouble of asking ChatGPT to write the post for you, then submitting it to an humanizer (which is optional) and/or messing up the text yourself takes more time than actually writing the post yourself. This however applies if you know what you're talking about, if you have zero clue, then it would take more time than using ChatGPT. Don't overthink it, it's just a few minutes of work to generate a post, and ChatGPT enables you to write in sections you have zero clue about and wouldn't do without it.

[Justbillywitt]

My point here is, we have to ask to ourselves:

Can we win the war against AI?

We can win the fight against AI, if people like you can resist the urge of using AI to generate posts. How can AI win this fight if people like you are not patronising it? Moreover any battle that is not fought, you won't know if it will be won or not. And another thing you should know is that, the people that are fighting the  fight against  AI are not tired of fighting, so it is not in your place to determine is the fight will be won or not. As long as the fight continues, there are chances that the fight will be won.

If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating?
If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating?
If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum?

There are no justifications for your use of AI in the forum. The rules say don't use AI, it didn't make any room whatsoever to use AI. Don't try to justify your use of AI in the forum it's making you look stupid.

I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion?

Are you in any way trying to say you are more knowledgeable than those that set the rules and said no AI posts in the forum? Bro, If those casinos needed machines to post for them, they would have gone somewhere else. The reason they are here in the forum for promotion is because they want human generated posts and engagements. And when have you suddenly become an advocate for the casinos, to know what's good  and not good for them?

[uchegod-21]

Well, from my experience, the usual suspects that use AI are accounts ranked from Newbie to Member, a large number of them from third world countries and/or with poor English knowledge. Not long ago I had made a post with the exact amounts of reported members, from each rank individually, in the AI report thread, but it's been a while so I can't quickly recall the numbers.

In general, spotting higher ranked accounts using AI isn't that common, one reason is that some of us may not suspect that a higher ranked user is using AI,...

Honestly, I consider it a lot of risk for someone with a hero or a legendary account to take such a risk. I know the efforts and time I have put into my account to become a hero member. I don't think I am ready to jeopardize my 4 years efforts because of AI.
It is true that those who this AI shits are new accounts and when they are banned, they can quickly make another account and continue their shits.

Also if you discover an established account involved in AI spamming, it could be those that received merit airdrop. They could likely be sold/bought accounts. It is not easy to earn upto 500 merits in this forum.

[Ivystar5]

In a forum like this that one line text with the right information is so much admired why then do you need AI when you can just write answer in few words and it's considered best!

[Little Mouse]

That's unfortunate to see seoincorporation did this.

I have a habit of inviting users in DM to join my campaigns. I find users based on my needs, targeted boards etc. seoincorporation is one of them.

What surprised me the most is that he barely posted more than 20 posts per week. That's why when he sent me a DM regarding this issue, I trusted his words. It makes sense if you ask me. If he were a sig spammer, why would he post fewer than 20 posts per week despite having the option to get paid for 35 posts? BTW, he didn't tell me this. This is my observation because I remember I always wanted him to post more, but have always been disappointed by his numbers lol.

From now, seoincorporation isn't a part of the campaign until he can be able to remove the neutral tag from his profile.

[LoyceV]

From now, seoincorporation isn't a part of the campaign until he can be able to remove the neutral tag from his profile.

I see no reason to remove it, as long as it's valid. I kinda want this to be remembered.

I'm all for giving more established users a second chance when it comes to this kind of thing, especially if they swear they're not gonna do it again, which is why I didn't leave a tag.

On the one hand I agree, but on the other hand I don't like to give "special treatment" after I gave many low-ranking chatbot spammers a neutral tag. Especially established members should know better.

[Alone055]

In a forum like this that one line text with the right information is so much admired why then do you need AI when you can just write answer in few words and it's considered best!

There is a common misconception among users, mostly newbies, that long posts tend to have better quality, when in reality, it's not about the length of your post but the value it provides in the discussion. This misconception, along with another, which is to have fancy and perfect grammar, are the reasons why people use AI to write posts, because AI fulfills both of these requirements very efficiently.

In my opinion, a post with broken grammar and wrong punctuation written by a person is better than a post written by an AI or bot with perfect grammar and punctuation. Besides, there are tools that can help a person with these things, and I've mentioned this above as well. Grammarly is one tool that is very helpful. English is not my first language, so I use Grammarly too for mistakes that I make, but at least I write my own posts, have my own points and thoughts in them, instead of using an AI model to feed me ready-made material that I can post.

[Pablo-wood]

In my opinion, a post with broken grammar and wrong punctuation written by a person is better than a post written by an AI or bot with perfect grammar and punctuation. Besides, there are tools that can help a person with these things, and I've mentioned this above as well. Grammarly is one tool that is very helpful. English is not my first language, so I use Grammarly too for mistakes that I make, but at least I write my own posts, have my own points and thoughts in them, instead of using an AI model to feed me ready-made material that I can post.

I think not just any post, but a post that can still be read and the original idea of the poster conveyed regardless of the grammatical flaws and punctuation error/inconsistency. AI models to me are meant for research and content enhancement but many abuse it by feeding others with AI prompts yet they expect the credit for posting what they themselves can't engage in or defend.

Grammarly is a nice tool for making clear and readable content but depending on it completely to make a post is still as offensive as using AI generated posts.

[Alone055]

Grammarly is a nice tool for making clear and readable content but depending on it completely to make a post is still as offensive as using AI generated posts.

You don't need to depend on it; you simply write your content, it gives you corrections or suggestions, and it's up to you whether you want to accept them or not. One should be capable enough of understanding what they should and shouldn't accept because if you allow it to completely change your content or sentences, you might end up getting detected as an AI spammer.

[Btcdeybodi]

So OP is directly trying to support the used of AI in the forum based on his experiments and doesn't care the aftermath of his decision.

Okay, don't participate in a signature campaign and no one will reply to your posts or threads that you created using an AI, and don't also reply to a human written text with your AI texts, with that I think you will move freely around the forum without being interrogated.

So, this is what i have learned and wanted to share with you guys, and I'm ready for the consequences, if you want to ban me or burn my reputation for this experiment, do it. I was totally conscious of what i was doing and enjoyed the experiment.

[Free Market Capitalist]

In other words, a fellow member of the same campaign in which I participate is unable to participate in the campaign from now on. I do not feel sorry for what has been exposed: the alleged experiment has too many characteristics of dishonesty, and at least part of the explanations seem to be justifications after the fact once he has been caught. What is a bit WTF is to ruin an account over this. I don't think it's impossible for him to participate in other campaigns but he'll have a harder time.

[mindrust]

In other words, a fellow member of the same campaign in which I participate is unable to participate in the campaign from now on. I do not feel sorry for what has been exposed: the alleged experiment has too many characteristics of dishonesty, and at least part of the explanations seem to be justifications after the fact once he has been caught. What is a bit WTF is to ruin an account over this. I don't think it's impossible for him to participate in other campaigns but he'll have a harder time.

He was probably busy with some real life stuff and instead of taking a break from posting, he decided to spam AI generated stuff and planned an exit in case he gets caught. (It didn’t go as he planned though)

I am trying to understand why he did what he did and that’s the only explanation that makes sense.

I somehow don’t believe he did this because he just randomly decided to fool people. (Obviously I am not buying his own explanation too. He didn’t do it do make a study) A clean, experienced account like that doesn’t turn “shady” without a valid reason.

That’s the thing with the sig camp post requirements, they force people to make posts and sometimes people can’t do it and once (or twice) they fail, they get kicked out.

There used to be campaigns paying per post, these were more fun. Made 10 posts? Here xxx satoshis. Made 20? Here is double. Asking people to make 25+ posts every week is kind of creating pressure on the posters. That clearly shows it here.