Abortion is Healthcare not Murder

[BADecker]

When an outspoken feminist gets pregnant, she is overwhelmed by two contradicting themes.

On the one hand, she has in herself - connected to all of her being - machinery that exists to make children.

On the other hand, her insecurity with family life in today's world is part of the reason she became an outspoken feminist in the first place.

Many feminists, before or after abortion, come to understand this about themselves. That's why there are so many former feminist counselors trying to help women who can't figure out for themselves if they want to fight the nature in their own bodies, and the way to fight it best.

[programmer3666]

thats a clear pointyou made and again you have explained it in a thoughtful way abortion is a complex issue with medical, ethical and personal angles so people will always have different opinions. but yes!! your perception can definitely be supported by many especially those who view abortion from a healthcare and human rights perspective because not everyone sees an early embryo as a full human being, and many believe the woman’s health, autonomy and situation also matter. it doesn’t mean abortion is something to celebrate!! it just means it should be approached with understanding instead of judgment

[Iranus]

You are very correct about what you said about abortion but i will have to tell you that the government will not decide on ending abortion or putting a law to punish anyone found in such behavior.
Some people that think the way you just highlighted things, fails to understand that whether the pregnancy has form human being or blood, abortion is not good, and I totally condem the those so called abortion of thing but we are in a helpless society and another thing we should also consider is what led to the abortion of a thing, there are helpless situations that could lead people to abortion and I believe that is why to some extent, it is more of healthcare.

I also do not support abortion, because morally speaking, many lives are taken away and that is unjust to them. But I agree that the abortion ban is too harsh and draconian. Because there are many cases where abortion is necessary, such as when the fetus threatens the mother's life or if the fetus has serious birth defects. In those cases, keeping the fetus really does not help the fetus.

I want to ask, would any of us want to live the life of someone with Down syndrome, or a serious illness that causes us pain for the rest of our lives? Indeed, although painful, abortion is sometimes necessary.

[DrBeer]

Tell me, why is everyone discussing the end result of the problem and blaming women, but no one wants to discuss the root causes that lead to this?
I will list some of them:
- rape
- Inadequate education of children about sex, including conception
- Low social and financial status in some countries, which often leads to forced prostitution
- Savage and primitive religious movements that effectively turn women into “objects” for the satisfaction of men, pregnancy, and childbirth.
- lack of state care for single mothers or low-income families?
- Why are men not responsible for this child and why are there no laws that oblige them to provide for a healthy pregnancy and the child's life until adulthood if the child's father is not the woman's official husband?
Or is it a difficult and inconvenient path, easier to shift the problem onto the woman and then condemn her for deciding to have an abortion?
 
It is always easier to shift the blame onto someone else and then condemn them than to understand and eliminate the root causes....

I don't think the majority of Republicans are against abortion if it is medically necessary.  Most of us have no problem with aborting a rape victim's baby.  That's why it was allowed in the first place.  However, there are some massive abuses by women I feel are murderers.  There are prostitutes that use abortion like birth control.  I mean, at some point something should be done.  Maybe after the 20th abortion you get a noose added to your license or something.  As a man, I would like to know if the woman I'm seeing is a legalized serial killer or not.  One or two times, I get it, sure...  Even 5 times, some people are slow to learn from their mistakes.  If you've had 50 abortions though, you are most definitely a serial killer.

Again, for some reason we keep coming back to “abuse of WOMEN.” But tell me, is it possible for a woman to get pregnant without a MAN?
Men are just as much a part of the process, and are even the key trigger that starts pregnancy! Okay, everything is clear with prostitutes, but that's only a fraction of a percent. Plus, where is the government, where are the priests who vehemently condemn those who have abortions? Why don't they do educational work, visit brothels and night shelters, and distribute condoms? They silently ALLOW this and then start racking up ratings by condemning those who have abortions...
50 abortions is also an exception to the rule.
I previously wrote about the main reasons for abortions, or more precisely, the reasons for unwanted pregnancies or the inability to raise a child. Why does no one want to deal with these complex problems, choosing instead the easiest path—to allow it and then treat it as someone else's sin?  The reason is simple: it's easier and more profitable. If abortions disappeared tomorrow, how would politicians, religious leaders, and other “moral crusaders” boost their ratings?

PS I am not in favor of abortion as a “routine procedure” for everyone. I am in favor of eradicating the ROOT CAUSES, so that people understand the real reasons and help to avoid them, rather than simply engaging in a “witch hunt.”

[Bitcoin Maxi]

From the time of conception it's seen the fetus you're carrying is a human being and has the right to life. So choosing to end the pregnancy after conception is not healthcare . There are several healthcare practices one  can get before even getting to the point of pregnancy . Abortion might be seen to be murder  because it is deliberately  ending an already existing life.

The only time I can consider abortion as healthcare is when the pregnancy is life threatening,  yeah , a woman might go through some crises and complications during  the pregnancy period and the medical teams might suggest that for her to survive she has to consider abortion or in a case whereby the fetus in the womb might have complications if its delivered .  Only in such cases can one say it's healthcare.

[Graph001]

In this case, my personal opinion is that if someone does not want to be a parent, why are they not using any contraceptive product (condom or pill)? No one has the right to take a life after conception. Within eight to ten days of a woman's pregnancy, the embryo implants and sits down, then within three to four weeks the baby's body begins to form and within five to six weeks the heartbeat starts. It would be wrong to think that the baby is worthless just because it is a human life developing inside the womb. Healthcare is to save human life but abortion destroys a human life so it is not fair to call it healthcare at all. Abortion can be done in some special cases like if a woman is raped and gets pregnant as it can have a negative impact on her future life or if the person who got pregnant is not yet in a suitable physical condition to give birth to a child.

 Here we have to keep in mind that nowadays in our society there has been a lot of immoral relationships which has resulted in a lot of unwanted pregnancies and abortions. There is no such thing as showing abortion as normal, it can only be justified in some special circumstances. There is no such thing as showing an exceptional method as normal. I honestly think that if abortion is seen as normal in society, then in the future the number of immoral relationships will increase, no one will want to form a family. Therefore, it can be called a kind of hypocrisy called healthcare.

[Dunamisx]

We should not call what may lead to the risk of life part of health care, going into abortion is not something that should be encouraged, because mostly, they occur as a result of unwanted pregnancies, once a mistake occurs, then things begin to go otherwise for them to have nothing left than to get ride of the child taken in.

Which this is an act against nature and our own personal self, because I've seen it happened that some went into abortion and couldn't return alive, better being embarrassed and disappointed than taking the risk of our own life and terminating that of the unborn child.

[BADecker]

thats a clear pointyou made and again you have explained it in a thoughtful way abortion is a complex issue with medical, ethical and personal angles so people will always have different opinions. but yes!! your perception can definitely be supported by many especially those who view abortion from a healthcare and human rights perspective because not everyone sees an early embryo as a full human being, and many believe the woman’s health, autonomy and situation also matter. it doesn’t mean abortion is something to celebrate!! it just means it should be approached with understanding instead of judgment

Note that one of the best places to go to see the abortion conflict within a woman is, the many women who have had an abortion, and regret it. Look at their pain, and how their lives are affected by the abortion.

Also, consider the bold talk of those who are trying to hide their pain, from a psychiatrist's point of view... to see that they are really in pain even though they are putting on a bold front.

You might need to search, a little, because 'the powers that be' do not want their sales of baby parts to be hindered in any way. So, they hide it as best they can.

[Solodoski]

Abortion should be considered as murder going by religion and morals, but I think medically it's not considered as murder. Why I agree that abortion is murder is that once a woman gets pregnant, she is automatically carrying a life in her, you can call it embryo or whatever name the medical field calls it. The truth is that if you did not kill the embryo through abortion you already committed murder in the sight of God. Although medically abortion is advised by the doctor based on the situation of the pregnancy,  that's if it's endangers the carrier or if they feel the child might not come out right. So I think abortion can be considered murder, based on the angle you look at it.

[DrBeer]

Abortion should be considered as murder going by religion and morals, but I think medically it's not considered as murder. Why I agree that abortion is murder is that once a woman gets pregnant, she is automatically carrying a life in her, you can call it embryo or whatever name the medical field calls it. The truth is that if you did not kill the embryo through abortion you already committed murder in the sight of God. Although medically abortion is advised by the doctor based on the situation of the pregnancy,  that's if it's endangers the carrier or if they feel the child might not come out right. So I think abortion can be considered murder, based on the angle you look at it.

Can you provide references to any sources that state that abortion is murder according to religious norms?
Can you also cite sources from religious canons that say it is acceptable to rape, that the state and religious institutions can disregard disadvantaged women who are simply unable to carry a child to term or give birth or raise a child? Every problem always has another side... one that lovers of morality and legality do not like to talk about.

[free-bit.co.in]

Can you provide references to any sources that state that abortion is murder according to religious norms?

According to my understanding and as a who follows a religion.

Catholicism teaches that human life begins at conception. Therefore, direct and intentional abortion has always been taboo, considered a very serious crime and equivalent to killing an innocent person.

Muslims believe that the soul is breathed into the fetus around the 17th week. This means that before 17 weeks, abortion is considered in some exceptional cases, but from 18 weeks onwards, abortion is completely banned and considered murder.

Meanwhile, Buddhism advocates minimizing the killing of even small animals such as ants and insects, let alone abortion.

[POPOLUV]

Do you believe with me that in recent time ladies has been dying at the point of abortion due to the portion of healthcare as the OP might called it, i really what the OP to convince me better on this because i don't see the reason of this topic that says abortion is healthcare not a murder, if the OP has not seen a woman that died in the results of losing so much blood in the art of abortion, so it could have be preferable to change the topic in the other way round instead of saying abortion is healthcare not murder.

[Tmoonz]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion so I disagree with you @op, birth control should be considered as healthcare and not murder in disguise of abortion this shouldn't even be a debate because once conception it is already a human growing in the womb, anyone that isn't ready for a child should stay away from sexual activities. Abortion is murder and it shouldn't be seen as a choice because that child never asked to be brought into this world but you made the wrong decision by ignoring birth control so yes it is your fault and you should take responsibility for your actions, abortion should be abolished and condemned unless your life is at risk if you have the child.

Yes I agree with you, Abortion is murder no matter what how most people looks at it, for me is a wrong believe system because whatever that has been formed in the womb has life already and termination is apparently killing though a lot happens unintentionally or maybe a complicated ones while some termination are intentional which is bad, for those that are not ready to bring a life in to this world then totally abstinence is the best or making use protections to avoid casual sex that will result to pregnancy.

[Felicity_Tide]

Can this perception be supported and realistic to many?

I honestly don't think so.
I would like to point out a few things. Like you said, "Murder is the act of killing another human being intentionally". I would like to pick two words from this your statement, which are killing and intentionally. Killing, if you will agree with me also means taking a life right?, and like you also pointed out in one of your statement as well, "Life begins at conception", so don't you think that taking a life that has already began through conception should also be considered as a murder?.

Now, we all know that the law doesn't recognize it as a murder probably because the person hasn't been born, but the fact still remains that a life has been taken. The law might not necessarily call that a murder, but of course, something was killed, and there's obviously no justification to that because every single person (whether educated/uneducated), knows the outcome of meeting with the opposite sex.

[Robinrex77]

When an outspoken feminist gets pregnant, she is overwhelmed by two contradicting themes.

On the one hand, she has in herself - connected to all of her being - machinery that exists to make children.

On the other hand, her insecurity with family life in today's world is part of the reason she became an outspoken feminist in the first place.

Many feminists, before or after abortion, come to understand this about themselves. That's why there are so many former feminist counselors trying to help women who can't figure out for themselves if they want to fight the nature in their own bodies, and the way to fight it best.

Feminist try to understand the conditions that lead to the pregnancy before the victim even think about abortion,
Feminist create an enabling environment for woman to have the right and option to do with themselves what they feel is pleasing to them,
The world needs more feminist to advocate for the right of woman,

[JoyMarsha]

OP, if you are writing this, as a project assignment, you better rewrite it because your points and opinion on this abortion case are so wrong.

Going by the context of your post, the only time abortion will not be murder will be if the person is advised medically that giving birth will cause their death. If no medical advice is given, and the person takes the action by themselves towards the removal of the pregnancy through abortion, it is nothing but murder.

Months in pregnancy, baby's is already formed in the embryo. A mother can see through that if she runs a scan. What will it then be called, after a mother has run a scan on their baby, to see the shape of their baby, they end up doing to abortion. Won't it be called a murder, taking a life living baby out of the womb

[9ja Amaka]

The truth is to me it really depends on situation of the pregnancy and what the person is going through. Cause life can happen and things can get complicated and sometimes , the person carrying the pregnancy is the one who knows how it really feels.
Because What if it’s a matter of rape or the pregnancy isn’t safe (ectopic pregnancy) that’s not something anyone should be judged for, She deserves to make decision that protects her life and wellbeing .

[GigaBit]

Abortion should be considered as murder going by religion and morals, but I think medically it's not considered as murder. Why I agree that abortion is murder is that once a woman gets pregnant, she is automatically carrying a life in her, you can call it embryo or whatever name the medical field calls it.

If a person intentionally aborts a child, it is murder, and if for some reason the doctor feels that it is necessary to abort the child to save the mother, then I do not think it is murder. There are many people who want to abort a child after they have a child, even though there is no problem. I think all these abortions are murder. If people could see this heinous act being committed with their own eyes, they would be able to understand for themselves how evil it is.

[BADecker]

The truth is to me it really depends on situation of the pregnancy and what the person is going through. Cause life can happen and things can get complicated and sometimes , the person carrying the pregnancy is the one who knows how it really feels.
Because What if it’s a matter of rape or the pregnancy isn’t safe (ectopic pregnancy) that’s not something anyone should be judged for, She deserves to make decision that protects her life and wellbeing .

Women seldomly get raped. If they do, it's usually that they allowed themselves to get into a position where they can be raped, by unwisely selecting the path home.

Sure, there are circumstances. Our societies have set things up so that it is easier than it might have been in the old days. Consider a Youtube search on "Du Gia Waterfall, Ha Giang, Vietnam." If that isn't a setup for rape before and after getting there...

And many of the women there are European and US women. So, it is women asking for it even though they don't realize what they are doing. When they get what they are asking for, don't add murder to what happens to them.

[Hispo]

When an outspoken feminist gets pregnant, she is overwhelmed by two contradicting themes.

On the one hand, she has in herself - connected to all of her being - machinery that exists to make children.

On the other hand, her insecurity with family life in today's world is part of the reason she became an outspoken feminist in the first place.

Many feminists, before or after abortion, come to understand this about themselves. That's why there are so many former feminist counselors trying to help women who can't figure out for themselves if they want to fight the nature in their own bodies, and the way to fight it best.

If an out-spoken feminist do not believe she is ready to be a mother then she should simply be responsible with the choices made with her body, in order not to enter in cognitive contradiction with her ideas.
I would even say that women who are against the whole definition and constitution of family should simply sterilize themselves and not to risk getting pregnant.

It should not be a problem with this current generation, which is quite adverse on getting children.