Proposal: add a "DELETED BY MOD" tag to quotes of removed posts

[coinlary]

I created a thread recently about two users, Widca5472 and Vdfre27, here: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5572102

At the moment, it seems the two posts where the particular site was mentioned have already been deleted by a mod, I guess.
But Vdfre27 still has his post quoted by two people on this thread: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5547481 and anyone could possibly click on it.

Now, here is where I come up with this suggestion:
How about we have a short tag beside the quote that was deleted, such as "DELETED BY MOD", only when a post was already quoted by other users before it was deleted by a mod.

Like this:


Anyone who sees this should obviously know a post was deleted under a thread for a reason and should be disregarded. For the likes of self-moderated threads, there is no need for any message, as quoting already covers it.

[PX-Z]

So what's the main issue? Just because it was quoted and already deleted the post means nothing or what. We have tools that offers archive of the deleted/edited post, and it's easy to detect if the post is deleted, regardless if its by mod or the user itself.

At very least, it's possible, but i guess it's technically difficult and needs another work to check/validate every post with quoted message if existing or not (deleted). But it don't think it will be implemented or added too soon considering the progress of the forum's other feature developments.

[SilverCryptoBullet]

So what's the main issue? Just because it was quoted and already deleted the post means nothing or what. We have tools that offers archive of the deleted/edited post, and it's easy to detect if the post is deleted, regardless if its by mod or the user itself.

At very least, it's possible, but i guess it's technically difficult and needs another work to check/validate every post with quoted message if existing or not (deleted). But it don't think it will be implemented or added too soon considering the progress of the forum's other feature developments.

It can be done by a userscript, a SMF patch but I think the same like you did, as it's not too important or helpful to have this. I see it makes forum more cumbersome and it's unnecessarily.

If the original post was deleted by a forum moderator, quoted posts of that delete post will still be seen but no longer be clickable and clicking on it only direct to a page of that original post while the original post no longer exist.

Users when reading and replying on any post, should never use nested quotes, pyramid quotes and they also have to trim any unnecessary quotes or contents in their replies.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Like this:


Anyone who sees this should obviously know a post was deleted under a thread for a reason and should be disregarded. For the likes of self-moderated threads, there is no need for any message, as quoting already covers it.

Even with this message, some users would still foolishly click on it and ruin their finances. I believe it's better that the contents of those posts that are deemed harmful are filtered out and deleted too. Maybe the mods are given an extra button in their UI to trigger such actions automatically.

When the page is rendered subsequently, the quote remain normal but the initial harmful content is replaced by your message DELETED BY A MOD

If the original post was deleted by a forum moderator, quoted posts of that delete post will still be seen but no longer be clickable and

This is better not seen at all especially when it has contents that are harmful and could lead to funds loss, even when it's not clickable, some newbies might still go look for it manually on the net and screw themselves up.

clicking on it only direct to a page of that original post while the original post no longer exist.

This already happens for the quoted posts but the links embedded in it still redirects.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Those newbie accounts are probably alts of the same person sharing the link. Mods can delete posts for many reasons. Having a tag without any context isn’t that useful. It is probably better to report those alt accounts for spamming and helping to promote potentially harmful software.

[hugeblack]

If the quoted text is deleted, then reply to that quote will automatically be off-topic. So try reporting it.
Mod can edit the quote (just as they leave feedback.)

[LoyceV]

You can already do this with some creativity:

How about

And that shows the problem: anyone can create any quote they want.

Anyone who sees this should obviously know a post was deleted under a thread for a reason and should be disregarded.

Being deleted doesn't necessarily make it a bad post. What if it was deleted to merge posts? That doesn't make the quote bad, but a red warning makes it look that way.

[The Cryptovator]

Now, here is where I come up with this suggestion:
How about we have a short tag beside the quote that was deleted, such as "DELETED BY MOD", only when a post was already quoted by other users before it was deleted by a mod.

I noticed last day regarding your quote, and that was missing. Implementing your suggestion won't solve anything at all; you can just add or edit if the quote is deleted as @LoyceV suggested. But from the forum end, a message could be added for the deleted quote. For example, if a thread is deleted, we can see a message like the one below:

The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

For deleting a quote or reply, they would use another message just for formalities;

"The replies/quote you are looking for appear to be deleted by a mod or user."

But I don't think it's helpful to verify the quote, because it's easy to manipulate the quote. Rather simply, you can archive the quote and post the link as well, besides quoting someone's post. So we can verify whether the quote is authentic or not. Your suggestion would just increase developers' jobs and not help forum users, though it could be simply implemented by a line of code about return page.

[Chinesebaby]

This is is a brilliant idea that could easily differentiate between a post that was deleted by moderator and those that are still active on the forum, but on the general scale, it doesn't look professional and appealing to the eyes. But rather makes the forum look childish. Because such red feature on comments will make the forum looks awkward.  So I really love the forum as it is now, because in a nutshell, if you click on a deleted post, it will display the post has been deleted, which is enough.

[stwenhao]

anyone can create any quote they want

Exactly. And many quotes are not linked to any post at all.

Usually, I use a linked quote only when I want to put a link anyway. And it comes with additional effort, because my posts are created in a local text editor, and then copy-pasted, so usually I don't use forum UI buttons to quote things.

[Nathrixxx]

Inside to receive messages notification from the telegram notifier that my post has been deleted as a result of the mother thread being nuked down, which already signal to me about the reason why my post was deleted, so this your idea OP is not also bad, when there's a notification tag indicating being deleted by mod in other to inform those that already quoted from it, now here's my advice, we should also not quote unnecessarily, except if needed to explain our points in details on each aspect of the post made by any member.

[CryptSafe]

This is a good idea as I perceive OP is trying to come up with a proposal that would help reduce the continuation of a supposed deleted thread or posts by mods on the platform to avoid a continuous quoting and conversation with respecte to that deleted post to avoid spamming of the thread or platform because people who do not care doing a proper search would continue quoting and conversing without having the idea that the post or thread they are quoting has already been deleted by a mod and should be stop from any further quoting and discussion. But if it is very clearly captured at the top of the thread, just as OP has illustrated, I believe the consciousness would be there, and that post would be ignored without any continuation of it.

[coinlary]

If the quoted text is deleted, then reply to that quote will automatically be off-topic. So try reporting it.
Mod can edit the quote (just as they leave feedback.)

Unfortunately,  aprt from one extra quote, the OP of the thread also quoted it, not sure if it would be regard as offtopic with the context of the quote body.

You can already do this with some creativity:

How about

And that shows the problem: anyone can create any quote they want.

True, didn't  even think about this.

Being deleted doesn't necessarily make it a bad post. What if it was deleted to merge posts? That doesn't make the quote bad, but a red warning makes it look that way.

Oops, that's another view. The more I think about it, the deeper it gets.
The main blocker now is what you've mentioned in the first quote, that the quotes can be edited. If not for that, then editing manually by a mod using this:

When the page is rendered subsequently, the quote remain normal but the initial harmful content is replaced by your message DELETED BY A MOD

....could have worked, but then persistence across existing quotes (the affected post) and maybe the introduction of new complications is also another thing to consider..

But I don't think it's helpful to verify the quote, because it's easy to manipulate the quote. Rather simply, you can archive the quote and post the link as well, besides quoting someone's post. So we can verify whether the quote is authentic or not. Your suggestion would just increase developers' jobs and not help forum users, though it could be simply implemented by a line of code about return page.

Yes, you're right, but the issue is that no one knows the reason it might have been deleted when it's being clicked and nothing shows up, as long as it's a single post and not a thread. Unless it could just redirect them to the page showing the reason why the post was deleted. So even if anyone already quoted it and they try to see that particular quote, it redirects to that page (I am not sure every user will like this either, apart from those who won't even bother to narrow down to the post).