Pocket Dice – The first realistic dice game

[Pocket Dice]

Just tried the game for free (without registering or even using the free faucet) and it looked nice. The interface is nice, and I liked the "risk" option.
The game is very simple and intuitive. The only "problem" for me was that it runned a little low in my pc. Maybe it uses to much scripts I don't know.
Nothing special though, but I expected something smother for a dice game.

Hi and thank you for your message. We're investing lots of time into speeding up the game, so if you could give us a more detailed feedback in terms of what exactly worked slowly, we'd greatly appreciate.

Also your browser version and some hardware details would be nice to have.

[durrrrdwan]

Why are you taking so long to implement something that should be on the site from day one?

....and dealing with hacker attacks almost every day

We will indeed notify everyone once we're finished.

Perhaps this is because you are CHEATING EVERYONE!   Did you every think of that?

I want my money back pocket dice.  I'm serious.   You guys screwed everyone over,  now pay the piper. 

Some of my bets were impossible to win with your 30 "random" numbers.  Such BS!

How much money did you lose in this site? This site is not a famous one, I won't bet here. Only play in reliable sites, guys.

[TwitchySeal]

What is your relationship to btc-casino.io?

[Pocket Dice]

Why are you taking so long to implement something that should be on the site from day one?

....and dealing with hacker attacks almost every day

We will indeed notify everyone once we're finished.

Perhaps this is because you are CHEATING EVERYONE!   Did you every think of that?

I want my money back pocket dice.  I'm serious.   You guys screwed everyone over,  now pay the piper. 

Some of my bets were impossible to win with your 30 "random" numbers.  Such BS!

How much money did you lose in this site? This site is not a famous one, I won't bet here. Only play in reliable sites, guys.

Hi, it's a pity you never heard of us, because Pocket Dice is 2.5 years old now and has lots of players, many have come from bitcointalk. Give us a try some day 

[Pocket Dice]

What is your relationship to btc-casino.io?

Our game is built-in into btc-casino.io, just the same as in Limoplay, Playamo, Bitstarz, mBit Casino and many others.
Also we are using the same affiliate program to attract new players, CoinProfit.io.

There is no other connection between btc-casino.io and pocketdice.io. We don't know each other, never even had a chat

[whanethewhip]

How much money did you lose in this site? This site is not a famous one, I won't bet here. Only play in reliable sites, guys.

I disagree that being famous is a good test for determining reliability, lots of famous sites will rob you blind and lots of famous sites were made even more famous after scandal, like MtGox? But I am curious, what other criteria do you use to determine reliability? What criteria would you use to determine the reliability of pocketdice? What is your experience with pocketdice that has led you to discouraging people from using the site?

[Pocket Dice]

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[apollonin]

I should totally be in TOP of your next tournament!

[miguelct]

Is this really provably fair now?

I'll wait for some trusted confirmation as I don't believe these guys.

[Pocket Dice]

Is this really provably fair now?

I'll wait for some trusted confirmation as I don't believe these guys.

Hi there miguelct!

Please check our Provably section here: https://pocketdice.io/provably-fair for the updated description and the new seed change feature. If you have any questions, we're always happy to discuss.

[NLNico]

Is this really provably fair now?

I'll wait for some trusted confirmation as I don't believe these guys.

The new implementation is a huge improvement and even makes it much easier to verify too. So good job

However, I did noticed it could be improved. Basically a problem is that the client-seed is always known to the site before giving a server-seed. In theory this means the site could loop quickly some server-seeds and generate 1 that makes "preferable outcomes" based on that client-seed based on the previous plays of the user. Is this likely? No and an easy counterargument is that the player could exploit this (by playing the opposite style after getting a new server-seed.) But it is easy to improve.

To improve this, PocketDice should do 1 of these options:
1) Have a separate "New server-seed" button, so the "Change client-seed" really only changes the client-seed (not the server-seed nor the nonce¹.)
2) Show the NEXT server-seed hash in that "Change client-seed" popup.

I don't have a preference, both are fine (for example: BK = first option, PD = second option.)

Ps, a lot of sites that newly implement the nonce-implementation don't consider the above scenario and even I didn't notice it a few days ago when I first looked. So I obviously don't think it's on purpose, but would be great if it could be improved





_{1. Note that if you change the client-seed & nonce - but not the server-seed, a player could cheat. This really happened sometimes on other gambling sites.}

[Pocket Dice]

Is this really provably fair now?

I'll wait for some trusted confirmation as I don't believe these guys.

The new implementation is a huge improvement and even makes it much easier to verify too. So good job

However, I did noticed it could be improved. Basically a problem is that the client-seed is always known to the site before giving a server-seed. In theory this means the site could loop quickly some server-seeds and generate 1 that makes "preferable outcomes" based on that client-seed based on the previous plays of the user. Is this likely? No and an easy counterargument is that the player could exploit this (by playing the opposite style after getting a new server-seed.) But it is easy to improve.

To improve this, PocketDice should do 1 of these options:
1) Have a separate "New server-seed" button, so the "Change client-seed" really only changes the client-seed (not the server-seed nor the nonce¹.)
2) Show the NEXT server-seed hash in that "Change client-seed" popup.

I don't have a preference, both are fine (for example: BK = first option, PD = second option.)

Ps, a lot of sites that newly implement the nonce-implementation don't consider the above scenario and even I didn't notice it a few days ago when I first looked. So I obviously don't think it's on purpose, but would be great if it could be improved

_{1. Note that if you change the client-seed & nonce - but not the server-seed, a player could cheat. This really happened sometimes on other gambling sites.}

Hi there and thank you for your detailed comment!

The first option, as you have correctly noticed, may be abused easily by players. The second one looks way better, we will consider it for future updates of our provably fair system.

[rambeazle]

The first option, as you have correctly noticed, may be abused easily by players.

Thats just not true.

[NLNico]

Lol, yeh just don't reset nonce on option 1 and it's fine. Seems pretty obvious but I remember at least once that a site had it :p (forgot name.)


Option 2 fine too though.

[lixer]

How much money did you lose in this site? This site is not a famous one, I won't bet here. Only play in reliable sites, guys.

I disagree that being famous is a good test for determining reliability, lots of famous sites will rob you blind and lots of famous sites were made even more famous after scandal, like MtGox? But I am curious, what other criteria do you use to determine reliability? What criteria would you use to determine the reliability of pocketdice? What is your experience with pocketdice that has led you to discouraging people from using the site?

Yeah usually the less known sites have better payouts since they are having less traffic and less competition. A lot of bigger sites get abused by bots the payouts have to be lowered as per I have experience these personally too.

[olubams]

How much money did you lose in this site? This site is not a famous one, I won't bet here. Only play in reliable sites, guys.

I disagree that being famous is a good test for determining reliability, lots of famous sites will rob you blind and lots of famous sites were made even more famous after scandal, like MtGox? But I am curious, what other criteria do you use to determine reliability? What criteria would you use to determine the reliability of pocketdice? What is your experience with pocketdice that has led you to discouraging people from using the site?

Yeah usually the less known sites have better payouts since they are having less traffic and less competition. A lot of bigger sites get abused by bots the payouts have to be lowered as per I have experience these personally too.

But the issue is that the not so popular sites dont have the required capital to be popular they dont have the capacity for high rollers. Even players dont encourage the not so popular sites....

[sionsandman]

The new implementation is a huge improvement and even makes it much easier to verify too. So good job

However, I did noticed it could be improved. Basically a problem is that the client-seed is always known to the site before giving a server-seed. In theory this means the site could loop quickly some server-seeds and generate 1 that makes "preferable outcomes" based on that client-seed based on the previous plays of the user. Is this likely? No and an easy counterargument is that the player could exploit this (by playing the opposite style after getting a new server-seed.) But it is easy to improve.

To improve this, PocketDice should do 1 of these options:
1) Have a separate "New server-seed" button, so the "Change client-seed" really only changes the client-seed (not the server-seed nor the nonce¹.)
2) Show the NEXT server-seed hash in that "Change client-seed" popup.

I don't have a preference, both are fine (for example: BK = first option, PD = second option.)

Ps, a lot of sites that newly implement the nonce-implementation don't consider the above scenario and even I didn't notice it a few days ago when I first looked. So I obviously don't think it's on purpose, but would be great if it could be improved





_{1. Note that if you change the client-seed & nonce - but not the server-seed, a player could cheat. This really happened sometimes on other gambling sites.}

Thanks for your explanation.

[adaseb]

He is correct. The bigger and smaller gambling sites are more or less the same but the smaller ones probably have very little capital compared to PrimeDice and one large whale can cause the entire bankroll to disappear. That's why many investors don't want to invest in any gambling sites like that.

[SvenBomvolen]

   I`m reading this discussion about provably fair gaming on this site, and I see there is some problem. People just dont agree that this is fair site, that is bad. I`m playing there with their faucet, nice design, I can say one of a kind, I didnt saw that kind of dices anywhere else.
   Too bad there is a problem with them, I thought its easy to make money there, even I didnt won nothing with faucet. I come to 20 000 satoshis and then I lose everything in couple throws. And minimum withdraw is 50 000 satoshis. I thought to deposit some money for first time on dices on this site, now I`m sure I will not until they resolve situation with this provably fair playing.

[sionsandman]

   I`m reading this discussion about provably fair gaming on this site, and I see there is some problem. People just dont agree that this is fair site, that is bad. I`m playing there with their faucet, nice design, I can say one of a kind, I didnt saw that kind of dices anywhere else.
   Too bad there is a problem with them, I thought its easy to make money there, even I didnt won nothing with faucet. I come to 20 000 satoshis and then I lose everything in couple throws. And minimum withdraw is 50 000 satoshis. I thought to deposit some money for first time on dices on this site, now I`m sure I will not until they resolve situation with this provably fair playing.

Don't give up to tentation and keep playing with faucet until they can prove without any doubt that they're fair.