Flat Earth

[Astargath]

The term vanishing-point is something that is used when you have limited distance viewing. Confusion is created when notbatman tries to use simple terms like vanishing point, to describe things that are not so simple.

What a hypocrite.  

Your entire belief in fairy tales is using the simple term "proof" to describe things that cannot be proven.  Just like notaman.

 

I mean, how insane is your theory that even Badecker thinks you are a moron? Think about it Notbatman..

[SaltySpitoon]

I had an interesting conversation with someone who doesn't believe in flat earth (sort of obvious in my field) but they were very curious about trying to prove the earth was flat. They came to a similar conclusion that I did a while ago. If you want to prove the earth is flat, there are a few conditions that need to be met, but I've yet to see anyone do.

The most important is that you need a uniform set of laws that always hold true. Its not enough to say, hey because of this, the earth is flat, if that assertion breaks 50 other laws of physics that you aren't questioning. If you are questioning those other 50 laws, you have to come to some new theories and equations that makes everything continue working while you are exploring new possibilities. Until you get everything working again under all circumstances, there is no point in proving the earth is flat if your car won't turn on because electrostatics no longer apply. Everything else needs to continue working as it actually does under your theory.

If someone comes up with proof that the earth is flat, that doesn't violate any laws of nature, please let me know.

[Vod]

I had an interesting conversation with someone who doesn't believe in flat earth (sort of obvious in my field) but they were very curious about trying to prove the earth was flat. They came to a similar conclusion that I did a while ago. If you want to prove the earth is flat, there are a few conditions that need to be met, but I've yet to see anyone do.

The most important is that you need a uniform set of laws that always hold true. Its not enough to say, hey because of this, the earth is flat, if that assertion breaks 50 other laws of physics that you aren't questioning. If you are questioning those other 50 laws, you have to come to some new theories and equations that makes everything continue working while you are exploring new possibilities. Until you get everything working again under all circumstances, there is no point in proving the earth is flat if your car won't turn on because electrostatics no longer apply. Everything else needs to continue working as it actually does under your theory.

If someone comes up with proof that the earth is flat, that doesn't violate any laws of nature, please let me know.

Very respectable post, SaltySpitoon.  Thank you, but your efforts are wasted.  

The OP is a liar and disruptive (maybe being paid?), and he does not consider your arguments.

Very soon he will "REEEEEE!" and post an easily debunked picture promoting his lie.   You can't challenge him on it, as he will quickly move to something else.

This thread needs to be locked, for it is nothing more than bullshit trolling. 

[SaltySpitoon]

Very respectable post, SaltySpitoon.  Thank you, but your efforts are wasted.  

The OP is a liar and disruptive (maybe being paid?), and he does not consider your arguments.

Very soon he will "REEEEEE!" and post an easily debunked picture promoting his lie.   You can't challenge him on it, as he will quickly move to something else.

This thread needs to be locked, for it is nothing more than bullshit trolling. 

There aren't any efforts. The point is just that the burden of proof is being done wrong here. Its not for people who believe the earth is round to disprove that the earth is flat. On the contrary, people who want to disprove that the earth is round need to prove that the earth is flat. And to do that, they need to not violate any other laws of physics unless they have proof as to why they can, and a uniform set of theories that support their claims. If you want to say that the earth is flat, gravity is elves, and the moon doesn't exist, because of electricity, you need to one, make sure that electricity still works under the assumption that the earth is flat, gravity is elves, and the moon doesn't exist. And two, that everything else still works as it should under your new unified theory. If your claim causes cars to stop working theoretically, you need to go back to the drawing board.

If people want to do personal attacks, or disregard facts, who cares. Don't argue with them. Argue over sound theories that they can give. Why bother arguing over whether the sky is blue with a color blind person, if there is another guy posting in the thread that makes a claim that can actually be discussed rationally. I don't think the earth is flat, but that doesn't mean that there are certain scenarios where the earth being flat would work, and under those circumstances something cool might happen. Don't waste your time with someone claiming that by measuring the horizon with their chainsaw, they can see the edge of the earth.

There are people out there with valid claims about the earth being flat. Tune out the noise and have a neat conversation with someone who can approach a problem in a completely different manner than yourself.

[joerogers8]

Very respectable post, SaltySpitoon.  Thank you, but your efforts are wasted.  

The OP is a liar and disruptive (maybe being paid?), and he does not consider your arguments.

Very soon he will "REEEEEE!" and post an easily debunked picture promoting his lie.   You can't challenge him on it, as he will quickly move to something else.

This thread needs to be locked, for it is nothing more than bullshit trolling. 

There aren't any efforts. The point is just that the burden of proof is being done wrong here. Its not for people who believe the earth is round to disprove that the earth is flat. On the contrary, people who want to disprove that the earth is round need to prove that the earth is flat. And to do that, they need to not violate any other laws of physics unless they have proof as to why they can, and a uniform set of theories that support their claims. If you want to say that the earth is flat, gravity is elves, and the moon doesn't exist, because of electricity, you need to one, make sure that electricity still works under the assumption that the earth is flat, gravity is elves, and the moon doesn't exist. And two, that everything else still works as it should under your new unified theory. If your claim causes cars to stop working theoretically, you need to go back to the drawing board.

If people want to do personal attacks, or disregard facts, who cares. Don't argue with them. Argue over sound theories that they can give. Why bother arguing over whether the sky is blue with a color blind person, if there is another guy posting in the thread that makes a claim that can actually be discussed rationally. I don't think the earth is flat, but that doesn't mean that there are certain scenarios where the earth being flat would work, and under those circumstances something cool might happen. Don't waste your time with someone claiming that by measuring the horizon with their chainsaw, they can see the edge of the earth.

There are people out there with valid claims about the earth being flat. Tune out the noise and have a neat conversation with someone who can approach a problem in a completely different manner than yourself.

What about those who say we are not on a sphere as told by mainstream science.  Can you prove the earth is a sphere without violating any laws of physics?  Mainly the physics of water.

[presduterte]

What about those who say we are not on a sphere as told by mainstream science.  Can you prove the earth is a sphere without violating any laws of physics? 

You seem to have completely missed the point of the person you are responding to. Its not on Round Earthers to prove to you the earth is round. Its on you to prove to them that the earth is flat.

Mainly the physics of water.

Do you believe in gravity, or is that just illuminati-driven mumbo jumbo?

A belief system based on ignorance and willful misunderstanding is no belief system at all.

[joerogers8]

What about those who say we are not on a sphere as told by mainstream science.  Can you prove the earth is a sphere without violating any laws of physics?  

You seem to have completely missed the point of the person you are responding to. Its not on Round Earthers to prove to you the earth is round. Its on you to prove to them that the earth is flat.

Mainly the physics of water.

Do you believe in gravity, or is that just illuminati-driven mumbo jumbo?

A belief system based on ignorance and willful misunderstanding is no belief system at all.

You seem to be misunderstanding.  The claim was made we are on a sphere.  It's up to the "round earther", as you call them,  to prove that claim in a way which does not violate physics.  

I should not have to "believe" anything if we are talking the scientific method.  The claims should be repeatable, demonstrable and measurable.  

I cannot bend water, make it conform to the exterior of a shape or have a vacuum next to a pressurized system not equalize.  I cannot replicate any of these through experimentation.

[presduterte]

You seem to be misunderstanding.  The claim was made we are on a sphere.  It's up to the "round earther", as you call them,  to prove that claim in a way which does not violate physics.  

Its really not. The topic is titled "Flat Earth."

I should not have to "believe" anything if we are talking the scientific method.  The claims should be repeatable, demonstrable and measurable.  

What are you even talking about?

I cannot bend water, make it conform to the exterior of a shape or have a vacuum next to a pressurized system not equalize.  I cannot replicate any of these through experimentation.

Nobody asked you to. This doesn't mean water defies the law of gravity. So do you not believe in gravity?

[joerogers8]

You seem to be misunderstanding.  The claim was made we are on a sphere.  It's up to the "round earther", as you call them,  to prove that claim in a way which does not violate physics.  

Its really not. The topic is titled "Flat Earth."

I should not have to "believe" anything if we are talking the scientific method.  The claims should be repeatable, demonstrable and measurable.  

What are you even talking about?

I cannot bend water, make it conform to the exterior of a shape or have a vacuum next to a pressurized system not equalize.  I cannot replicate any of these through experimentation.

Nobody asked you to. This doesn't mean water defies the law of gravity. So do you not believe in gravity?

You may want to head next door to the religion discussion if you want to talk about beliefs.  I don't give a fuck what you believe in.  I give a fuck about what you can practically demonstrate.  

If you cannot practically demonstrate what you're claiming to me then your simply talking your religion.

[suchmoon]

You may want to head next door to the religion discussion if you want to talk about beliefs.  I don't give a fuck what you believe in.  I give a fuck about what you can practically demonstrate.  

If you cannot practically demonstrate what you're claiming to me then your simply talking your religion.

What kind of practical demonstration do you need for gravity? Have you tried stepping off a roof of a tall building? That usually settles the issue.

[presduterte]

You may want to head next door to the religion discussion if you want to talk about beliefs.  I don't give a fuck what you believe in.  I give a fuck about what you can practically demonstrate.  

If you cannot practically demonstrate what you're claiming to me then your simply talking your religion.

Wow, this is fascinating. You keep sidestepping a very important key to understanding the nature of how water behaves.

Do you accept that the law of gravity is such, or not? It's pretty important to understanding how water sits on a globe and doesn't fly off into space.

[joerogers8]

You may want to head next door to the religion discussion if you want to talk about beliefs.  I don't give a fuck what you believe in.  I give a fuck about what you can practically demonstrate.  

If you cannot practically demonstrate what you're claiming to me then your simply talking your religion.

What kind of practical demonstration do you need for gravity? Have you tried stepping off a roof of a tall building? That usually settles the issue.

Can you prove to me that me falling off the building was a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass and not something else?  

[Vod]

Can you prove to me that me falling off the building was a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass and not something else?  

Idiot #2 is back!

#1 - notaman - does not believe in proof - it's all a conspiracy
#2 - joerogers8 - does not believe in history - must verify everything for himself
#3 - baddicker - does not believe in change - 2,000 year old information must be true

 

[joerogers8]

You may want to head next door to the religion discussion if you want to talk about beliefs.  I don't give a fuck what you believe in.  I give a fuck about what you can practically demonstrate.  

If you cannot practically demonstrate what you're claiming to me then your simply talking your religion.

Wow, this is fascinating. You keep sidestepping a very important key to understanding the nature of how water behaves.

Do you accept that the law of gravity is such, or not? It's pretty important to understanding how water sits on a globe and doesn't fly off into space.

I think I have a good understanding of how water behaves.  Bodies of water find their level.  Bodies of water need to be contained or they will flow.  Bodies of water do not conform to the exterior of a shape.  These are the experiences I encounter when experimenting with bodies of water.

If you can show me and practically demonstrate these are not true then by all means demonstrate it.  

If you want me to believe that the bodies of water curve, form to the exterior of a shape and do not flow due to the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass (gravity) then I would like to see a demonstration of some sort to prove this.  If you want invoke the claim of gravity and for me to "believe" this over my practical experience then it must be demonstrated.  

If gravity is a belief system for you I accept that and have no issues.  If you have experienced this curvature of spacetime for yourself through experimentation then I would be grateful for your experimentation methods so I can try on my own.  

[joerogers8]

Can you prove to me that me falling off the building was a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass and not something else?  

Idiot #2 is back!

#1 - notaman - does not believe in proof - it's all a conspiracy
#2 - joerogers8 - does not believe in history - must verify everything for himself
#3 - baddicker - does not believe in change - 2,000 year old information must be true

 

I will not appeal to history, authority or consensus to answer scientific questions.

Holy shit Vod.  I agree with you on #2!  It's a fucking miracle. 

[Vod]

I think I have a good understanding of how water behaves.  Bodies of water find their level.  Bodies of water need to be contained or they will flow.  Bodies of water do not conform to the exterior of a shape.  These are the experiences I encounter when experimenting with bodies of water.

Idiot #2 tells me I will not make a splash when I jump into water! 

 

[joerogers8]

I think I have a good understanding of how water behaves.  Bodies of water find their level.  Bodies of water need to be contained or they will flow.  Bodies of water do not conform to the exterior of a shape.  These are the experiences I encounter when experimenting with bodies of water.

Idiot #2 tells me I will not make a splash when I jump into water! 

 

When your fat ass jumps in you best believe your making a splash.  Flat, round or 4d. 

[Vod]

When your fat ass jumps in you best believe your making a splash.

Best believe my what?     

[presduterte]

If gravity is a belief system for you I accept that and have no issues.  If you have experienced this curvature of spacetime for yourself through experimentation then I would be grateful for your experimentation methods so I can try on my own.  

Gravity isn't a belief system. It's a law of physics under which many marvels of technology operate. Nobody needs to prove anything to you. You need to prove the earth is flat to us. Continually sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "no no no no" isn't an argument, or a belief system. Refusing to even attempt to understand the nature of reality isn't a belief system either. Its just trolling.

[Vod]

If you want me to believe that the bodies of water curve, form to the exterior of a shape and do not flow due to the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass (gravity) then I would like to see a demonstration of some sort to prove this.  If you want invoke the claim of gravity and for me to "believe" this over my practical experience then it must be demonstrated.  

Idiot #2 - I am curious at how you explain water bending everyday...  :/