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@OleOle - Have requested a replacement (one that hasn't been used in an overclocked setup) or refund from eBay seller (klugdogg).
I have no idea how an ASIC is overclocked. With regard to your comment about resisters, I see no solder joints or extra resisters etc on my ASIC. Like you I am quite happy to run at out-of-the-box speed.
IIRC some people were overclocking these by using a pencil to deposit carbon/pencil lead on one of the resistors to alter its value. It's possible it's been done by replacing a resistor using the proper tools, and then it would look no different. My first ASICs were BE, and they 'just worked' - once I had the driver in them, they worked without issue at the stock 333MHz speed, with 0 HW errors. As stated above, they don't need extra cooling to work (and mine ran without for months), so you shouldn't have a problem with them. The U1s work well - again, once the driver is installed (with the standard Silicon Labs driver, not using the Zadig nightmare), they work well. If I were you, I would use nwools' excellent MultiMiner to control bfgminer as it makes life a lot easier; you can add your scanning command line to find the miners, and then do all your setup from there. Much easier (to my mind) than using lots of config files.
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February 13, 2014, 12:19:29 PM |
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My two cents mfread- drivers, drivers, drivers. the very first screen shot you sent identified the miner as mmq which usually indicates an overclocked miner running Mod Miner. Nothing wrong with that, if you have the rest of the software to go along with that ie. manually adding the bitsteams info to that folder. I prefer near default settings myself. You seem to be on the right track at getting it to mine but it is a used piece of equipment and you don't know what was installed on it. the bfgminer thread has a lot of comments in it which recommend reinstalling drivers and a few that point out more effective ways of removing straggler code of old drivers. Even the README.txt of bfgminer- FAQ- stresses Drivers ,Drivers ,Drivers when first getting started.
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February 13, 2014, 12:48:47 PM |
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Would you mind sharing your ANTminer BFGminer 3.10.0 setup string with me? That might save me some time when I get mine.
Sure, no worries: [file path] \bfgminer-3.10.0-win32\bfgminer.exe -S antminer:all --set-device antminer:clock=x0981 -o [pool] -u [username] -p [password]There's plenty of Antminer U1 overclocking threads on this forum but all of them seem to have different information, so it took some time for me to settle on that string above. I used some basic information from here: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=437666.0But the string suggestions on that thread didn't work well with my Win7 x32 eeePC which I run my miners on, so I hunted around and on this thread used some information provided by Mudbankkeith and nwoolls (thanks guys!) to streamline the string above. That string in the order in which it is written should in theory overclock your Antminer U1 to 2 GH/s per usb miner. There's been some issues with people trying to overclock at 2.2 GH/s however for some reason either miners cease to get recognised or hash at very low rates. I tried different strings to overcome that but it gets old fast and I really wanted to get my miners mining, so decided to settle for the 2 GH/s overclock and it's been working well for about the past week. If for whatever reason you wanted to experiment with different hashing clock speeds, then you simply change the number after the antminer:clock= portion of the string to dial up or down the clock rate to vary the GH/s: 0581 =1.2 0681 =1.4 0781 =1.6 0881 =1.8 0981 =2.0 0A81 =2.2 I'm pretty sure that over time there will be people who discover other information about how to squeeze more hashing out of the U1's, or at least figure out how to get the 2.2 GH/s using the BFGMiner, so keep an eye on this and other Antminer overclock threads. Oh and lastly, I mentioned earlier that the Block Erupter driver you have already works fine with the Antminer U1, so if you've downloaded from here you should be all good to go: http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/USBtoUARTBridgeVCPDrivers.aspxHope this helps. 
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February 13, 2014, 06:31:01 PM Last edit: February 13, 2014, 10:04:10 PM by twindragon6 |
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 Any tips or tricks to compile the Icarus support for V3.10.0? Every time I try to compile bfgminer with Icarus support in Debian it fails to build in with the default options. After when I run ./bfgminer Icarus errors out like it's missing or something. I was just wondering if I'm doing something wrong? I have read all the readme files. 
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February 13, 2014, 06:49:23 PM |
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I've noticed many a person use the -u username -p password
flag combo where the -O username:password flag can be used to save some room and cut command clutter
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February 13, 2014, 07:45:49 PM |
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I've noticed many a person use the -u username -p password
flag combo where the -O username:password flag can be used to save some room and cut command clutter
For some reason they are afraid to post their workers name and password, I kinda hope they use my own to mine with. My 3.5gh could use some help  make sure it is lowcase -o not -O
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February 13, 2014, 10:08:40 PM Last edit: February 14, 2014, 05:54:32 AM by mfread |
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@OleOle @freddyfarnsworth @djaychela @hurricandave others ... Many many thanks for your input re: ASICminer and ANTminer. It's all very useful feedback. 1) ASIC seller in Canberra (AU) has agreed to replace ASIC with another he has. I'll post the ASIC back to him today. Again, it'll be a used ASIC, not new. I've asked for a standard (non-modified) ASIC. I don't think he understands too well because the emails I get from him are in broken English with very poor grammar. 2) I didn't know you can 'install' drivers (or whatever) onto the actual ASIC USB device? So therefore it's possible the used ASIC device I have purchased has (modified) drivers installed on it that put it into overclock mode? Hmmm, I'll have to try and read up on this and how to remove/reset back to factory these 'driver/s' (just in case). Thanks for the heads-up. 3) Yes, I have installed the Silabs COM drivers, did that day 1 before I plugged in my ASIC for the 1st time  4) MMQ showed up when I use bfgminer 3.8.0-win32 (I tried various versions of BFGminer when I first got the ASIC in an attempt to get it working). I had no idea what MMQ meant (and I couldn't find any info on it). I didn't even know what was supposed to show on-screen as all bfgminer/ASIC instructions I found online never showed any screenshots. I'm using bfgminer 3.10.0 these days - it detects the erupter (rightly or wrongly) as BES. 5) Externally powered hubs - my goodness, what a hit n miss exercise that seems to be. I can't find the specs on my (purchased brand new Dec 2009) Compaq Presario CQ61-314TU so I've no idea about my 3 built-in USB ports. My best guess is they are USB 2.0 spec. The external 4-port USB hub I purchased (from Harvey Norman) is a 12v system ($26). It had no specs on the packaging. After unwrapping the only clue I have is the 240v to 12v power pack adapter says 1A. I don't know if that means 1 USB hub port can draw a max of 1A, or it the 1A is equally split/fixed across all 4 ports (so the max any 1 of the 4 ports can pull is 0.25A). The only way for me to tell would be to build my own USB joiner cable and insert an Ammeter in the +ve line (hey, now that's a USB cable market opportunity  Others have provided a link to a thread dedicated to discussing/recommending external hubs - I'll go and order one from there.
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February 14, 2014, 01:25:56 AM |
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Two followups from previously posted, unrelated, problems:
1) The Radeon 5770 that worked for graphics, but I couldn't mine (bfgminer or cgminer - error about missing some registry file), works fine as a 3rd card in one of my Linux boxes. Clueless what was wrong in Windows, but moving on...
2) Recall how I partially lost temperature displays on 2 of my 3 mining machines? On both the problem machines, only the first graphics card would display a temp, the 2nd one didn't. Except on a 3rd machine (different mobos between them, but the same Gentoo Linux build), where both of the graphics cards displayed a temp. Well... I put the 5770 in the "good" one, and it continues to display the temp - for the first 2 cards only! <lol> Hardly a crisis, but I do hope this problem disappears on my machines someday.
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February 14, 2014, 01:31:00 AM |
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Try using MultiMiner it usually finds and sorts your equipment a bit easier and it is a GUI front end for BFGMiner. You can add your custom arguments for your GPU's in the advanced settings under scrypt. https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=248173.0It might help you identify your problem a bit easier being a GUI. Two followups from previously posted, unrelated, problems:
1) The Radeon 5770 that worked for graphics, but I couldn't mine (bfgminer or cgminer - error about missing some registry file), works fine as a 3rd card in one of my Linux boxes. Clueless what was wrong in Windows, but moving on...
2) Recall how I partially lost temperature displays on 2 of my 3 mining machines? On both the problem machines, only the first graphics card would display a temp, the 2nd one didn't. Except on a 3rd machine (different mobos between them, but the same Gentoo Linux build), where both of the graphics cards displayed a temp. Well... I put the 5770 in the "good" one, and it continues to display the temp - for the first 2 cards only! <lol> Hardly a crisis, but I do hope this problem disappears on my machines someday.
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February 14, 2014, 01:47:22 AM |
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I should have tried that. Everything is safely over on Linux boxes now, and not going back (I don't think), but if it does, I'll give that a shot.
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February 14, 2014, 02:36:12 AM |
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Cool deal.  I should have tried that. Everything is safely over on Linux boxes now, and not going back (I don't think), but if it does, I'll give that a shot.
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February 14, 2014, 06:24:39 AM |
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Ok.. suggest breaking this down into smaller pieces.
Just plug in your antminers (which are generally pretty well behaved) and run with a line like:
./bfgminer -S antminer:all --set-device antminer:clock=x0981 -o <insert your pool info>
And lets see what happens. That speed is pretty much the normal limit pre-mod, let make sure they all show up at that point.
hi, ok more infos: i use: ubuntu server 3 x TeckNet® USB 3.0 10 Port Hub 12 x modified antminer (1.1V) 12 x 0.5m usb kable 12 x usb y power adapter kable only 9 are running i missed the 3rd hub. i got it. It look like problems with the usb3 port of my mini pc i use know the usb2 one. bfgminer version 3.10.0 - Started: [2014-02-13 19:29:10] - [ 0 days 11:52:32] [M]anage devices [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [H]elp [Q]uit Connected to eu-stratum-lb489kj.btcguild.com diff 16 with stratum as user deagel_BluePie Block: ...6eceb842 #285742 Diff:2.62G (18.77Ph/s) Started: [07:18:03] ST:12 F:0 NB:86 AS:1 BW:[137/ 49 B/s] E:67.27 I: 212uBTC/hr BS:310k 9 | 22.35/22.06/26.23Gh/s | A:16129 R:39+2(.24%) HW:5/.00% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMU 0: | 2.52/ 2.45/ 2.90Gh/s | A: 1764 R: 1+0(.06%) HW:1/.00% AMU 1: | 2.50/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1853 R: 5+0(.26%) HW:1/.00% AMU 2: | 2.42/ 2.45/ 2.91Gh/s | A: 1832 R: 5+0(.27%) HW:1/.00% AMU 3: | 2.44/ 2.46/ 2.92Gh/s | A: 1807 R: 7+0(.38%) HW:0/none AMU 4: | 2.49/ 2.45/ 2.92Gh/s | A: 1761 R: 5+0(.28%) HW:1/.00% AMU 5: | 2.49/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1783 R: 6+0(.33%) HW:0/none AMU 6: | 2.53/ 2.46/ 2.94Gh/s | A: 1816 R: 8+2(.44%) HW:0/none AMU 7: | 2.39/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1747 R: 2+0(.11%) HW:0/none AMU 8: | 2.42/ 2.45/ 2.87Gh/s | A: 1772 R: 0+0(none) HW:1/.00% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [2014-02-14 07:20:52] Accepted 089560b3 AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 29/16 [2014-02-14 07:20:53] Accepted 0ebb84b2 AMU 5 pool 1 Diff 17/16 [2014-02-14 07:20:56] Accepted 03708c1e AMU 1 pool 1 Diff 74/16 [2014-02-14 07:21:01] Accepted 0efe743f AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 17/16 [2014-02-14 07:21:06] Accepted 05aa407e AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 45/16
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February 14, 2014, 07:19:49 AM |
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Ok.. suggest breaking this down into smaller pieces.
Just plug in your antminers (which are generally pretty well behaved) and run with a line like:
./bfgminer -S antminer:all --set-device antminer:clock=x0981 -o <insert your pool info>
And lets see what happens. That speed is pretty much the normal limit pre-mod, let make sure they all show up at that point.
hi, ok more infos: i use: ubuntu server 3 x TeckNet® USB 3.0 10 Port Hub 12 x modified antminer (1.1V)12 x 0.5m usb kable 12 x usb y power adapter kable only 9 are running i missed the 3rd hub. i got it. It look like problems with the usb3 port of my mini pc i use know the usb2 one. bfgminer version 3.10.0 - Started: [2014-02-13 19:29:10] - [ 0 days 11:52:32] [M]anage devices [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [H]elp [Q]uit Connected to eu-stratum-lb489kj.btcguild.com diff 16 with stratum as user deagel_BluePie Block: ...6eceb842 #285742 Diff:2.62G (18.77Ph/s) Started: [07:18:03] ST:12 F:0 NB:86 AS:1 BW:[137/ 49 B/s] E:67.27 I: 212uBTC/hr BS:310k 9 | 22.35/22.06/26.23Gh/s | A:16129 R:39+2(.24%) HW:5/.00% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMU 0: | 2.52/ 2.45/ 2.90Gh/s | A: 1764 R: 1+0(.06%) HW:1/.00% AMU 1: | 2.50/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1853 R: 5+0(.26%) HW:1/.00% AMU 2: | 2.42/ 2.45/ 2.91Gh/s | A: 1832 R: 5+0(.27%) HW:1/.00% AMU 3: | 2.44/ 2.46/ 2.92Gh/s | A: 1807 R: 7+0(.38%) HW:0/none AMU 4: | 2.49/ 2.45/ 2.92Gh/s | A: 1761 R: 5+0(.28%) HW:1/.00% AMU 5: | 2.49/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1783 R: 6+0(.33%) HW:0/none AMU 6: | 2.53/ 2.46/ 2.94Gh/s | A: 1816 R: 8+2(.44%) HW:0/none AMU 7: | 2.39/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1747 R: 2+0(.11%) HW:0/none AMU 8: | 2.42/ 2.45/ 2.87Gh/s | A: 1772 R: 0+0(none) HW:1/.00% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [2014-02-14 07:20:52] Accepted 089560b3 AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 29/16 [2014-02-14 07:20:53] Accepted 0ebb84b2 AMU 5 pool 1 Diff 17/16 [2014-02-14 07:20:56] Accepted 03708c1e AMU 1 pool 1 Diff 74/16 [2014-02-14 07:21:01] Accepted 0efe743f AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 17/16 [2014-02-14 07:21:06] Accepted 05aa407e AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 45/16
Getting approximately 2.9GH/s out of the Antminer U1's is pretty impressive. Could you tell us more about what you mean by "modified antminers" please? Thanks.
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February 14, 2014, 07:32:45 AM |
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@mfread
You have enuf info now "to be aware" rest is learning, a 12v USB hub is a 3.0 hub.
All USB 1.0 - 1.1 - 2.0 hubs are 5v supplies.
You cannot have USB 3.0 on the machine if it is a intel sandybridge or lower, 3.0 is enabled in Ivy bridge and up only. AMD I have no clue. Some boards used a custom chip to enable 3.0, before the new CPU's had it built in.
Lot to learn, keep it up.
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On BFGminer suddenly my string command bfgminer -S opencl:auto --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://hashfields.com:3333 -u freddyfarnsworth.HFAsr2 -p x -I 9,9,9 that is for GPU only on alt pools
NO longer works ?? cpuminer still works, nothing changed in the string, is the new cloudflare the pools are using interfering with BFGminer scrypt mining, Bitminter asic string still works, Not the alt pools tho, I mean All the pools. Started last night ??
Anyone know what is up, is it just me ?
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i use: ubuntu server 3 x TeckNet® USB 3.0 10 Port Hub 12 x modified antminer (1.1V) 12 x 0.5m usb kable 12 x usb y power adapter kable only 9 are running i missed the 3rd hub.
i got it. It look like problems with the usb3 port of my mini pc i use know the usb2 one. bfgminer version 3.10.0 - Started: [2014-02-13 19:29:10] - [ 0 days 11:52:32] [M]anage devices [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [H]elp [Q]uit Connected to eu-stratum-lb489kj.btcguild.com diff 16 with stratum as user deagel_BluePie Block: ...6eceb842 #285742 Diff:2.62G (18.77Ph/s) Started: [07:18:03] ST:12 F:0 NB:86 AS:1 BW:[137/ 49 B/s] E:67.27 I: 212uBTC/hr BS:310k 9 | 22.35/22.06/26.23Gh/s | A:16129 R:39+2(.24%) HW:5/.00% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMU 0: | 2.52/ 2.45/ 2.90Gh/s | A: 1764 R: 1+0(.06%) HW:1/.00% AMU 1: | 2.50/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1853 R: 5+0(.26%) HW:1/.00% AMU 2: | 2.42/ 2.45/ 2.91Gh/s | A: 1832 R: 5+0(.27%) HW:1/.00% AMU 3: | 2.44/ 2.46/ 2.92Gh/s | A: 1807 R: 7+0(.38%) HW:0/none AMU 4: | 2.49/ 2.45/ 2.92Gh/s | A: 1761 R: 5+0(.28%) HW:1/.00% AMU 5: | 2.49/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1783 R: 6+0(.33%) HW:0/none AMU 6: | 2.53/ 2.46/ 2.94Gh/s | A: 1816 R: 8+2(.44%) HW:0/none AMU 7: | 2.39/ 2.45/ 2.93Gh/s | A: 1747 R: 2+0(.11%) HW:0/none AMU 8: | 2.42/ 2.45/ 2.87Gh/s | A: 1772 R: 0+0(none) HW:1/.00% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [2014-02-14 07:20:52] Accepted 089560b3 AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 29/16 [2014-02-14 07:20:53] Accepted 0ebb84b2 AMU 5 pool 1 Diff 17/16 [2014-02-14 07:20:56] Accepted 03708c1e AMU 1 pool 1 Diff 74/16 [2014-02-14 07:21:01] Accepted 0efe743f AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 17/16 [2014-02-14 07:21:06] Accepted 05aa407e AMU 0 pool 1 Diff 45/16
Getting approximately 2.9GH/s out of the Antminer U1's is pretty impressive. Could you tell us more about what you mean by "modified antminers" please? Thanks. Hi, i did it like written in the antminer userguide. i changed R1 and R2 DC/DC output 1.1V R1 3.74K R2 10K 
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February 14, 2014, 07:40:00 PM |
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I tried the git clone first line and got error message: remote branch feature/antminer-u1-support not found in upstream origin Unexpected end of command stream
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February 14, 2014, 08:01:44 PM |
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I tried the git clone first line and got error message: remote branch feature/antminer-u1-support not found in upstream origin Unexpected end of command stream
No need to do any of that anymore, support is in the latest official release. That branch no longer exists on my repo.
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February 14, 2014, 08:23:46 PM Last edit: February 14, 2014, 11:46:46 PM by mfread |
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@deagel
Love the photo of your ANTminer rig.
Looks like you've removed the aluminum heat sink that comes with each ANTminer and have attached (screwed?) each ANTminer to your massive heat sink block (6 ANTminers per block). Did you have to drill pilot holes in the big heat sink block? Did you use metal or plastic/nylon screws to attach the ANTminer to the block? Or did you just use thermal paste to 'glue' the ANTminer to the block?
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February 14, 2014, 08:51:45 PM |
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I tried the git clone first line and got error message: remote branch feature/antminer-u1-support not found in upstream origin Unexpected end of command stream
No need to do any of that anymore, support is in the latest official release. That branch no longer exists on my repo. where do I get the latest release? I know I have to ssh into the minepeon but where do I point it? I had installed one and then I was reading somewhere to do some stuff to mod it to make it work for the antminer. my antminer has never mined over about 1.1gh and I have added 2 be and with all 3 going I am getting less than 1gh, does the new release resolve this issue? Thanks for the help in advanced I am new to this as you can tell 
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February 14, 2014, 09:05:02 PM |
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I tried the git clone first line and got error message: remote branch feature/antminer-u1-support not found in upstream origin Unexpected end of command stream
No need to do any of that anymore, support is in the latest official release. That branch no longer exists on my repo. where do I get the latest release? I know I have to ssh into the minepeon but where do I point it? I had installed one and then I was reading somewhere to do some stuff to mod it to make it work for the antminer. my antminer has never mined over about 1.1gh and I have added 2 be and with all 3 going I am getting less than 1gh, does the new release resolve this issue? Thanks for the help in advanced I am new to this as you can tell  One of the biggest problems people face is that their USB devices don't have enough power. That may be why you're getting a low hashrate using one rig or 3. I'm not sure what this minepeon is about, but I just put rasbian on my pi, cloned the bfgminer 3.10, and away I went...no modding, not downloading other things, just load and run! Here's how I did it: If a command fails, it may require root/sudo 1: Open Terminal or SSH into your Linux machine. 2: Run "apt-get update" 3: Run "apt-get install git autoconf automake libtool pkg-config libcurl4-gnutls-dev libjansson-dev uthash-dev libncurses5-dev" 4: Run "git clone git://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer.git" 5: Enter the bfgminer directory 6: Run "./autogen.sh" 7: Run "./configure" (if you do not want to use GPUs on the machine, add --disable-opencl) 8: Run "make" 9: After make completes, you can run bfgminer directly (may require sudo), or create a shell script that includes your arguments.
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