Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Puppet]

Please try some of the smaller pools too then.
The last thing we need is ghash (or btcguild) to become even bigger.

[Sitarow]

What's with this another pre-order crap?!
We have all (first batch buyers) helped KnC startup with their business and it is now up and running like a train.
Now they treat their customers like shit and put up another pre-order BS!

And the big question is when are they going to deliver the Neptune?
They say Q1/Q2. Looking back to their original promise "before September" and then "all payed order before 15th of October", which obviously they have never made it.
Maybe when lucky the first unit will be shipped at end of June 2014?

I just hate people who can't keep their words!
Anyway, couldn't be worse than BFL.... 

Well its selling only 118 left

[Nemo1024]

Please try some of the smaller pools too then.
The last thing we need is ghash (or btcguild) to become even bigger.

I've had good experience with this one:
https://give-me-coins.com/

I am sharing my time between it and BitMinter.

[DeathAndTaxes]

I switched to ghash.io, and immediately my HW errors dropped below 1.5% on all machines and have stayed there. Bye bye eligius I suppose!
Anyone have a good starting point for the difficulty setting with ghash? I'm at 256 right now.

I confirm that. Switching to other pools changes hardware error rates shown by cgminer from 14% to 1.6%.

I've performed a long test with Eligius, writing down all cores numbers turned off and on. The turning off starts not immediately but after a dozen of minutes.
The cores turned off are purely random. Then cgminer turns them on (one by one). They are still randomly turned off.
(Experimental "tuning" version of cgminer 3.8.2 is no better.)

It looks like something (a config string or data sent from Eligius) causes something wrong (like buffer overrun) with November miners,
making cgminer working erroneously, especially spoiling random nonces (what in effect degrades effective hashing rate and causes cgminer to turn off good cores gradually).

(It doesn't always happen - maybe it depends on which server at Eligius it connects, I guess.)

Agreed I observed the same thing with HW error % reaching 28% on Eligius and without even a reboot dropping to <1% on bitminter.  I have no idea how a pool can cause hardware errors (or even make cgminer think a hw error has occurred) but it is easily observable if KNC wants to point a Nov unit at Eligius to verify.

Also KNC please subtract HW errors from the hashrate.  You have good hardware you don't need to pad the numbers.   If someone made a rig which was 83290 GH/s with 100% hardware error rate which do you think should be the reported hashrate 83290 GH/s or 0 GH/s?

[chrono030]

I switched to ghash.io, and immediately my HW errors dropped below 1.5% on all machines and have stayed there. Bye bye eligius I suppose!
Anyone have a good starting point for the difficulty setting with ghash? I'm at 256 right now.

I confirm that. Switching to other pools changes hardware error rates shown by cgminer from 14% to 1.6%.

I've performed a long test with Eligius, writing down all cores numbers turned off and on. The turning off starts not immediately but after a dozen of minutes.
The cores turned off are purely random. Then cgminer turns them on (one by one). They are still randomly turned off.
(Experimental "tuning" version of cgminer 3.8.2 is no better.)

It looks like something (a config string or data sent from Eligius) causes something wrong (like buffer overrun) with November miners,
making cgminer working erroneously, especially spoiling random nonces (what in effect degrades effective hashing rate and causes cgminer to turn off good cores gradually).

(It doesn't always happen - maybe it depends on which server at Eligius it connects, I guess.)

Agreed I observed the same thing with HW error % reaching 28% on Eligius and without even a reboot dropping to <1% on bitminter.  I have no idea how a pool can cause hardware errors (or even make cgminer think a hw error has occurred but it is easily observable if KNC wants to point a Nov unit at Eligius to verify.

They already do have miners pointed at Eliguis.. for example... http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1D5FhoiuLMJJ43BCMGidwvbKWfr71g1vH9

[qiuness]

anyone thought about ordering... 1 slot left for a free one

[MANofthePEOPLE]

How good do you need to be with tech stuff to get the Neptune up and running? Also, I saw an article about the neptune bringing in up to 2,1 coins a day, can that really be anywhere close to what it'll get?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/529324/20131211/bitcoin-mining-rig-neptune-kncminer-daily-earnings.htm

[Puppet]

How good do you need to be with tech stuff to get the Neptune up and running? Also, I saw an article about the neptune bringing in up to 2,1 coins a day, can that really be anywhere close to what it'll get?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/529324/20131211/bitcoin-mining-rig-neptune-kncminer-daily-earnings.htm

Wow. What a devious dishonest statement to make.
No, you wont get anywhere close to that number. What that "spokesperson" forgot to tell you is that the amount of coins you mine is utterly dependant on how fast the rest of the network is. See if you can spot a trend:

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/

If the network doubles in speed (which currently happens every month), your mining revenue for a given machine is cut in half. Neptune most likely wont ship before June 2014 (thats my guess anyway), so it wont mine a dime this Christmas and it will not mine a fraction of the numbers quoted next Christmas.

Shame on you KnC (or IB times if he was misquoted).

[Cablez]

How good do you need to be with tech stuff to get the Neptune up and running? Also, I saw an article about the neptune bringing in up to 2,1 coins a day, can that really be anywhere close to what it'll get?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/529324/20131211/bitcoin-mining-rig-neptune-kncminer-daily-earnings.htm

That entire thing is tripe.  50 coins per block......really?  ugh.

[lemonte]

Is anyone stacking their units?? If so, what are you using as spacers between them?

[Bitcoinorama]

How good do you need to be with tech stuff to get the Neptune up and running? Also, I saw an article about the neptune bringing in up to 2,1 coins a day, can that really be anywhere close to what it'll get?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/529324/20131211/bitcoin-mining-rig-neptune-kncminer-daily-earnings.htm

Wow. What a devious dishonest statement to make.
No, you wont get anywhere close to that number. What that "spokesperson" forgot to tell you is that the amount of coins you mine is utterly dependant on how fast the rest of the network is. See if you can spot a trend:

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/

If the network doubles in speed (which currently happens every month), your mining revenue for a given machine is cut in half. Neptune most likely wont ship before June 2014 (thats my guess anyway), so it wont mine a dime this Christmas and it will not mine a fraction of the numbers quoted next Christmas.

Shame on you KnC (or IB times if he was misquoted).

That was a complete misquote. I was fired a load of questions via Skype. The guy wanted to know what Jupiter will make currently, and what Neptune will make when it is released. The guy appeared keen to learn, but knew nothing. So I explained the entire concept of mining and respective difficulty rating and how future coin price and competition was impossible to predict. I said the only thing we have to go upon is today's current difficulty. I said that a Jupiter from October makes between 0.3, and 0.4 coins (remaining in the shy side, and that the November one is a little more powerful. Then said the Neptune will be around 5-6 times faster, but due to the fact difficulty will rise, it would take a diff of 3 billion + for Neptune to make what Jupiter currently does.

I gave him links to calculators, and explained he marketing scam behind the Genesis Block to propagate fear, uncertainty and doubt by continuously compound the difficult to freak people out and ensure a large volume of backlinks to their site. I showed the static diff calls that break the daily rewards down at today's difficulty and again arp firmed that difficulty rises each time a quantity if blocks are sold and as more hardware is added to the network, so he machine has to be more powerful to compete.

The above is literally a synopsis. I taught him the entire schebang about mining, and he basically took Jupiter today and multiplied by six, and then said something along the lines about 'ideal conditions'.

This was naughty, he was even attributing all these stats to me, so I contacted Business insider about this (where the chap was from), and the original article was amended straight away last week (go have a look). IB times have just taken the article and respun it as theirs.

Also i blatantly did not say 50 coins perblock currently. I said 25 and explained the process of the reward halving starting from 50.

[CYPER]

Is anyone stacking their units?? If so, what are you using as spacers between them?

The rubber feet each Jupiter has?

[lemonte]

Is anyone stacking their units?? If so, what are you using as spacers between them?

The rubber feet each Jupiter has?

Is that going to be enough? the cases are pretty warm, i would like something that raised them up a little bit more.

[CYPER]

Is anyone stacking their units?? If so, what are you using as spacers between them?

The rubber feet each Jupiter has?

Is that going to be enough? the cases are pretty warm, i would like something that raised them up a little bit more.

How warm?
Mine are in a room, that is quite hot, yet the metal surface of the lid is slightly warm.
I don't think it would be a problem to stack them directly

[lemonte]

Is anyone stacking their units?? If so, what are you using as spacers between them?

The rubber feet each Jupiter has?

Is that going to be enough? the cases are pretty warm, i would like something that raised them up a little bit more.

How warm?
Mine are in a room, that is quite hot, yet the metal surface of the lid is slightly warm.
I don't think it would be a problem to stack them directly

Not boiling hot, but a little bit warm. Thanks for the tip, I need to do something about them, my basement is a mess!

[DeathAndTaxes]

Please try some of the smaller pools too then.
The last thing we need is ghash (or btcguild) to become even bigger.

+1 to this.

As a heads up BitMinter is smaller but still large enough to solve a block every couple hours.  It has no required fee only a donation, and it offers perks for those who donate.  The pool also includes all tx fees, and merge mines NMC.  I have been mining it for two days and it has been solid.  One thing I never really thought about is BitMinter announced that to date they have paid out 1,000 BTC in transaction fees alone.  That almost a cool million USD in current exchange rate.  Many pools just keep the tx fees so it would be easy for BitMinter to make a million bucks more by keeping the fees but they don't (and never have).

[DeathAndTaxes]

Thanks for all your efforts on this D&T.  This worked perfectly on my dead machine as well.

Glad it helped.  Nothing like being the first one.  Weirdly the GUI firmware flash option did not work (even w/ ASICs disconnected), I tried it a couple of times.  If it had it would have saved me four days of stress and almost 2 BTC.  Still after getting it to flash by microSD it has been very solid.  Far exceeding my expectations, pretty solidly in the 670 GH/s range.

[1l1l11ll1l]

Is anyone stacking their units?? If so, what are you using as spacers between them?

The rubber feet each Jupiter has?

Is that going to be enough? the cases are pretty warm, i would like something that raised them up a little bit more.

How warm?
Mine are in a room, that is quite hot, yet the metal surface of the lid is slightly warm.
I don't think it would be a problem to stack them directly

Not boiling hot, but a little bit warm. Thanks for the tip, I need to do something about them, my basement is a mess!

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=7216.msg3742598#msg3742598

[MANofthePEOPLE]

How good do you need to be with tech stuff to get the Neptune up and running? Also, I saw an article about the neptune bringing in up to 2,1 coins a day, can that really be anywhere close to what it'll get?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/529324/20131211/bitcoin-mining-rig-neptune-kncminer-daily-earnings.htm

Wow. What a devious dishonest statement to make.
No, you wont get anywhere close to that number. What that "spokesperson" forgot to tell you is that the amount of coins you mine is utterly dependant on how fast the rest of the network is. See if you can spot a trend:

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/

If the network doubles in speed (which currently happens every month), your mining revenue for a given machine is cut in half. Neptune most likely wont ship before June 2014 (thats my guess anyway), so it wont mine a dime this Christmas and it will not mine a fraction of the numbers quoted next Christmas.

Shame on you KnC (or IB times if he was misquoted).

That was a complete misquote. I was fired a load of questions via Skype. The guy wanted to know what Jupiter will make currently, and what Neptune will make when it is released. The guy appeared keen to learn, but knew nothing. So I explained the entire concept of mining and respective difficulty rating and how future coin price and competition was impossible to predict. I said the only thing we have to go upon is today's current difficulty. I said that a Jupiter from October makes between 0.3, and 0.4 coins (remaining in the shy side, and that the November one is a little more powerful. Then said the Neptune will be around 5-6 times faster, but due to the fact difficulty will rise, it would take a diff of 3 billion + for Neptune to make what Jupiter currently does.

I gave him links to calculators, and explained he marketing scam behind the Genesis Block to propagate fear, uncertainty and doubt by continuously compound the difficult to freak people out and ensure a large volume of backlinks to their site. I showed the static diff calls that break the daily rewards down at today's difficulty and again arp firmed that difficulty rises each time a quantity if blocks are sold and as more hardware is added to the network, so he machine has to be more powerful to compete.

The above is literally a synopsis. I taught him the entire schebang about mining, and he basically took Jupiter today and multiplied by six, and then said something along the lines about 'ideal conditions'.

This was naughty, he was even attributing all these stats to me, so I contacted Business insider about this (where the chap was from), and the original article was amended straight away last week (go have a look). IB times have just taken the article and respun it as theirs.

Also i blatantly did not say 50 coins perblock currently. I said 25 and explained the process of the reward halving starting from 50.

I'm the one who posted that link and I appreciate you explaining it.

Do you have a real estimation how many coins it will mine a day?

[RickJamesBTC]

There is no way to accurately predict the output of a Neptune, or even the cointerra and hashfast rigs. Things that do not exist yet can't be predicted.

That's  a lot of jupiters in the pic above. I shoulda bought more !