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April 21, 2016, 04:28:20 AM

Are you leveraged or not
i'm not, never touched leverage...

i just like to be dramatic
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April 21, 2016, 04:33:18 AM

Are you leveraged or not
i'm not, never touched leverage...

i just like to be dramatic

Correct me if I'm wrong, but rates are currently around $250 fee per $10,000 BTC borrowed for 3 months (assuming you don't get raped by some variable interest rate during a run)?
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April 21, 2016, 04:36:35 AM

Are you leveraged or not
i'm not, never touched leverage...

i just like to be dramatic

Correct me if I'm wrong, but rates are currently around $250 fee per $10,000 BTC borrowed for 3 months (assuming you don't get raped by some variable interest rate during a run)?

leverage is not useful for me
i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket
i never trade with more than like 20% of them at one time
if i wanted to leverage i'd "lend myself" $ or BTC

i'm more of an investor then a trader, i will catch some tops or bottoms and take profit (try to anyway) along the way but primarily i HODL or i'm "balancing my holdings", ( ex. a few weeks ago i sold a few because i didnt like the direction bitcoin was taking segwit +LN + maintain extremely low requirements at all cost  ). i guess that was misguided... meh wtv.
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April 21, 2016, 04:46:31 AM

leverage is not useful for me
i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket
i never trade with more than like 20% of them at one time
if i wanted to leverage i'd "lend myself" $ or BTC

but lambos?

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April 21, 2016, 04:51:26 AM
Last edit: April 21, 2016, 05:01:52 AM by adamstgBit

leverage is not useful for me
i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket
i never trade with more than like 20% of them at one time
if i wanted to leverage i'd "lend myself" $ or BTC

but lambos?


want a lambo?
easy what dose that cost like 200,000$?
go to the bank barrow 200,000$ put it all on red, win, pay the bank back
and then go buy a lambo with the profits!

i'd feel too nervous placing so much money at risk for a move up or down on the bitcoin market at any given time... any market. i just dont have the balls.

MAYBE if we truly bubble and i can see clear as day a correction is imminent i'll sell all my bitcoins and borrow more to sell more, and then buy back on the first swing down.

if i wasn't so risk adverse i'd be pretty rich right now, but i did the sensible thing and cashed in large sums of bitcoin here and there as price rose, and rose and rose and then exploded.

you need balls of steel to be able to place all your money + barrow some more to place a bet on the market...
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April 21, 2016, 05:18:57 AM

Six blocks in the last 22 minutes. that will keep the mempool reasonably empty until difficulty gets adjusted.

There must be a shitload of 14nm miners coming on line. I just wish they all weren't in China. The higher Bitcoin goes, the more tempting of a target it is for the PRC unless the same party apparatchiks are using Bitcoin themselves to skirt the capital controls.

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April 21, 2016, 05:22:02 AM

leverage is not useful for me
i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket
i never trade with more than like 20% of them at one time
if i wanted to leverage i'd "lend myself" $ or BTC

but lambos?


want a lambo?
easy what dose that cost like 200,000$?
go to the bank barrow 200,000$ put it all on red, win, pay the bank back
and then go buy a lambo with the profits!

i'd feel too nervous placing so much money at risk for a move up or down on the bitcoin market at any given time... any market. i just dont have the balls.

MAYBE if we truly bubble and i can see clear as day a correction is imminent i'll sell all my bitcoins and borrow more to sell more, and then buy back on the first swing down.

if i wasn't so risk adverse i'd be pretty rich right now, but i did the sensible thing and cashed in large sums of bitcoin here and there as price rose, and rose and rose and then exploded.

you need balls of steel to be able to place all your money + barrow some more to place a bet on the market...


I don't like leverage either, because it is too much like gambling with something that is very highly capable of being manipulated... and manipulations can take place to truly screw us over (especially with leverage).

Maybe without leverage, we are not going to get rich from BTC market movements; however, we now know that bitcoin is capable of 10x(s)... and we should be able to do very well with BTC with anything approaching a 10x... even a 2x or a 5x...   Anyhow, since there have been several 10x(s) in the past, and there remains considerable potential for at least a couple more 10x(s), we should put ourselves in such a position to profit from such, if considerable upwards movement(s) were to occur...

Probably, we have to play to preserve our capital sufficiently in case there is not any additional 10x(s); however, since we know that 10x(s) are reasonably possible, we still need to sufficiently prepare our BTC investment portfolio(s) for those kinds of possibilities. 

In other words, like you describe, try to take measured and small profits along the way, and do not sell all or a large portion of BTC merely based on a 2x or a 5x price movement, unless there is fairly convincing information that a 10% or so correction is occurring.. even though it may be a good idea to sell some of them, maybe up to 50% at various stages. and maybe allocate some of the sales proceeds for taking off the table completely and some for buying back.   
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April 21, 2016, 05:23:16 AM

Six blocks in the last 22 minutes. that will keep the mempool reasonably empty until difficulty gets adjusted.

There must be a shitload of 14nm miners coming on line. I just wish they all weren't in China. The higher Bitcoin goes, the more tempting of a target it is for the PRC unless the same party apparatchiks are using Bitcoin themselves to skirt the capital controls.



You're still moaning about this shit?

If you are actually worried about China you should just sell all your bitcoin and quit whining already.

Sheesh.
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April 21, 2016, 05:32:46 AM

Six blocks in the last 22 minutes. that will keep the mempool reasonably empty until difficulty gets adjusted.

There must be a shitload of 14nm miners coming on line. I just wish they all weren't in China. The higher Bitcoin goes, the more tempting of a target it is for the PRC unless the same party apparatchiks are using Bitcoin themselves to skirt the capital controls.



You're still moaning about this shit?

If you are actually worried about China you should just sell all your bitcoin and quit whining already.

Sheesh.

You told me to sell all my bitcoin at $375. Fuck you.
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April 21, 2016, 05:34:32 AM

Floor is $440 now btw for anyone hoping to buy lower.  These walls on Cornbase won't be pulled and there's no real rush to cash out on Finex.

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April 21, 2016, 05:40:54 AM

Where is rpietila? Rally doesn't feel the same without him.

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April 21, 2016, 05:43:42 AM

Six blocks in the last 22 minutes. that will keep the mempool reasonably empty until difficulty gets adjusted.

There must be a shitload of 14nm miners coming on line. I just wish they all weren't in China. The higher Bitcoin goes, the more tempting of a target it is for the PRC unless the same party apparatchiks are using Bitcoin themselves to skirt the capital controls.



You're still moaning about this shit?

If you are actually worried about China you should just sell all your bitcoin and quit whining already.

Sheesh.

You told me to sell all my bitcoin at $375. Fuck you.

Don't sell until you see a triple top above $1200
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Already posted this possibility 3 days ago, but it will only become true if the market defeats resistance at 480$ and holds above for a while.
Can Huobi and OKCoin drag the western exchanges up with them? Maybe, or maybe not, we shall see during the next month.

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April 21, 2016, 11:30:59 AM

pump before halving.. sheeps..  after  11,07 BIG dump Wink
or dont give miners hw miner for "after halving time" and after pump up price..+
becouse all is in chinese hand, hw company, pools , and maybe all bitcoins.
who now.. everything is possible


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What I\m writing below is hardly a novel thought. A similar idea was pointed out in here a long time ago already by someone much smarter than me.

The 'halving' dynamics and their market effect, unclear as they may be in detail, should not be simplified to the point where their analysis matches that of the many other external events, i.e. that of other, supposedly "important news", like, say, the opening of a new exchange.

Every time you, as a trader/predictor, evaluate "news" you need to distinguish the anticipation of the event, and the actual, 'hard' effect of the event.

In the case of many of important news events, there is nothing but anticipation. That's what you can rightfully call "pump & dump" then, or at least, accuse it of being an "unjustified hype" upon hearing the event being discussed.

But in case of the halving, it is only the first part that bears similarity to other events. The anticipation phase for the halving, in which we are now, is purely based on human emotions and expectations, spinning the news, etc. In other words, it's a 'soft' effect, just like anticipating other good or bad events, and you are absolutely permitted to call it 'hype' or suspect it shares some similarity with a 'pump & dump'.

But the second part of the event, the 'hard' effect, is a bit different in this case. For one, it is (effectively) guaranteed to take place, as opposed to other events where some amount of uncertainty surrounds the event.

More importantly though is the relative lack of ambiguity of interpreting the effect. I have seen arguments why a drop in inflation could actually lead to a sharp drop in price, but these arguments are based on very flimsy premises that hold little weight against the much stronger basic supply/demand dynamics and its effect as we know from every market on earth.*

What I'm getting at is this:

If your analysis of the halving event is only based on evaluating the 'soft', anticipatory effects, but fails to account for the 'hard', the actual effect of a sudden change in the global supply situation -- namely: a drop of yearly inflation of almost 9% to about 4% -- then you are oversimplifying your analysis to a point where it becomes inappropriate as a tool of prediction.

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* Note that this is not the same as saying "price surely will go up". There are a few, not exactly impossible scenarios, in which the (positive) effect of the hype will have outweighed the (neutral) effect of the actual change in supply, and price stagnates, or potentially even falls. I don't assign too high a likelihood to thatoutcome, but it seems at least plausible to me. That a sharp cut in inflation, seen as a stand-alone factor, would lead to a devaluation is extremely implausible on the other hand.

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April 21, 2016, 12:32:55 PM

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leverage is not useful for me
i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket

I got places to go and money to blow
Got three bucks in my pocket
And seven more at home Cool

What I\m writing below is hardly a novel ...

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April 21, 2016, 12:40:21 PM

This rally won't stop until it has hit $490 then it will shrink back down. We have seen this all before. With the halving happening by then who knows, a new player to this is coming.
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April 21, 2016, 12:54:34 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
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April 21, 2016, 01:21:41 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?
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April 21, 2016, 02:31:09 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?
Not enough spics even know about bitcoin for this to be an issue - much less their deserted relatives below the border.
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