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January 03, 2019, 06:57:25 PM

I actually dreamed last night that bitcoin fell to $6 USD, and then to $2 USD. Pretty scary. So what did I do? Bought more! In reality, I think it'd be finished at that point. Hopefully not a vision of things to come...
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It seems to me that fully decentralised exchanges, could have a tough time regulatory wise,

I don't see how. If an exchange were truly decentralized, there would be no handle which the state could grab in order to inject its desired regulation.

Sure, they could pass laws. But that would be tantamount to prohibiting person to person sales of anything and everything (i.e., used cars, beanie babies, garage sales, ...). Something that today exists -- at least in the USA -- only for very limited classes of goods such as firearms.

Well, I have a few thoughts, if you are talking about an exchange that is going to cater for a few small fry retail traders here and there, a few honest folk with legitimate privacy concerns, and then the other main fringe groups i.e a few drug dealers and black sites, the odd tax evader, money launderer, or any other anonymous trader whose sole purpose of using a DEX is to evade KYC, AML, and proceeds of crime and terrorism laws, then yeah sure fully decentralised exchanges can operate and function perfectly well and I fully anticipate there to be these exchanges continuing to pop up and provide exactly that service into that market and that's all good and well ..... or not.

However, I mentioned in my OP that I was talking about an exchange that could do HUGE numbers AND integrate with the existing financial system AND the new one, I didn't say to bypass the larger financial system (DEX) I said to FULLY INTEGRATE and do HUGE numbers...  for a DEX to do so then it would need to implement KYC and AML and all the rest of it from a compliance point of view... otherwise it is destined to become a cryptocurrency to cryptocurrency only exchange, without ever any hope of gaining access to a fiat on and off ramp, therefore making it outside of the system, and a blockbox with limited potential for growth ... (not saying thats a bad thing, and not saying there wont be pretty big dexs in the future)

Ultimately, a DEX can still be shut down or the creators or devs be held accountable, so until a true open source distributed autonomous set up is made, and put out into the wild,  with the ability to update its code and replicate itself and continually respawn on a new address or live on a dark sites or on clients only, then a dex isnt really a dex.

 At the end of the day, its the  centralised and undistributed  custody that's our problem right? so that's the sticky bit that needs to be solved, so solve that bit, utilise a blockchain and have a decentralised custody solution that handles deposits and withdrawals and have that linked to a centralised exchange with a super fast matching and trade engine that then clears the trades and communicates with a decentralised custody solution.  The custody aspect could even in fact be shared by other exchanges too.

 This way we get the benefit of the DEX that we WANT and NEED, and then the rest of it which in fact a blockchain would make more clunky and slower and less efficient,  we already have perfectly good technology to deal wth all other technical aspects of an exchange, and why would we want all of that crap immortalised in a bloated blockchain, for the sake of it?

However we also get the added bonus of integrating with the real world, banks, and financial institutions and businesses and funds and market makers and liquidity providers etc etc.... which is where the HUGE money aspect of it comes in that I was talking about , and integrating with RL business now, not at some airy fairy wouldn't it be nice time in the future.  

Fact is it will be difficult for any entity that cares about or has a responsibility to regulators, or clients or shareholders to be able to interact in any meaningful way with a pure 100% DEX even if such a thing were to exist. Unless the DEX is fully compliant, and then you have lost the use case for DEXs , and actually you can build a better exchange that is not fully decentralised.

(TL/DR)  Therefore in conclusion dexs have a smaller potential (at this moment in time) to integrate and tap into the HUGE money flows that are incoming to the cryptocurrency space... and without the ability to remain anonymous they lose their edge, in terms of tech, the best solution is decentralise the parts of an exchange that need it (custody aspects) and the rest of it be centralised as this is faster, easier, more secure, easier to integrate with the rest of the world, have fiat on/off ramps, etc etc etc - because regulations

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January 03, 2019, 07:19:32 PM



Proof of Stake:  designed to centralize into monopoly or cartel
Proof of Work:   designed to centralize into monopoly or cartel

Proof of jackass


Sorry for quoting rOach  Roll Eyes
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January 03, 2019, 07:22:39 PM

Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?
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Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?

I can nip down the shop and see if one's still there. Would it bring you joy?
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January 03, 2019, 07:48:14 PM

https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/1080884596445769733

why tf does coinbase tweet just then about its incident 8 days ago?
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January 03, 2019, 07:50:06 PM

my hand says

i think we need to go higher Roll Eyes
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It's funny that PoS is thrown around like some kind of improvement over PoW. Vitalik is such an innovative genius for introducing it! Meanwhile, half the shitcoins have been using it for years.

Wei Dai created proof of stake in his Bitcoin forerunner, B-Money. As an alpha quality, proof of concept cryptocurrency, it worked alright. But for the real deal, Bitcoin, it was scrapped in favor of PoW - for good reason.
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Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?

I can nip down the shop and see if one's still there. Would it bring you joy?

Yes it would bring me much joy.
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Oh it's the Goose's bird! Welcome back. Ladies are allowed. Encouraged even.
Your nails are pretty.
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January 03, 2019, 08:09:10 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Down a bit in the last little while I see, but still going basically sideways... currently $3798USD/$5130CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Meanwhile this place seems especially infested with trolls and FUDsters today.  Roll Eyes Get a life losers.

Red flag!

HitBTC freezes customers accounts ahead of Proof of Keys Event...

https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-exchange-hitbtc-freezes-customers-accounts-ahead-of-proof-of-keys-event/

Cold storage holders unaffected.

Didn't anyone learn a lesson from MtGox?

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now okex went down
edit and back 20:20
2nd edit now back on again properly this time 20:53
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Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?

I can nip down the shop and see if one's still there. Would it bring you joy?

Yes it would bring me much joy.

Just obtained one just for you. Lemme know how to get it to you.
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Oh it's the Goose's bird! Welcome back. Ladies are allowed. Encouraged even.
Your nails are pretty.

yeah she couldn't post that pic herself.... bob made a joke of not classy a while back, now she tried to BTCher nails a bit....
Cheesy
i liked it a lot Wink
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so we start to see crypto all over the globe
#buy BTC Smiley
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Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?

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Just obtained one just for you. Lemme know how to get it to you.

post it Smiley
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Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?

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Just obtained one just for you. Lemme know how to get it to you.

Thank you very much. You just received my last three merits.
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Is there anyone who can buy a copy of The Times for me please?

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Just obtained one just for you. Lemme know how to get it to you.

Thank you very much. You just received my last three merits.

yeah very nice of taking for Arrie......
and sending him that paper

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