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2021 was important for Bitcoin. All the famous Bitcoin influencers, the TA accounts, the on-chain accounts: Everybody was wrong, everybody was too bullish. 2021 showed how everybody is clueless. Long term Bitcoin goes up, and that's it. We're all equal. All we need more patience.
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Trader schizophrenia is real.

The same people in my feed who were bullish at resistance a couple of days ago are posting endless bear porn now at support.

It's a great window into the psychology of humans and the reason that almost all traders fail.
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......

Start $                StartDate                 % gain /time          Time                         Price/BTC                #BTC
$0                        11/23/21                     6.00%                    182.6                   $50,000.00               0.00000000

DCA-$350/Wk                                                                             
   

Date                           $Value                        DCA-Add                    TotInvstd                Profits                 Price/BTC             #BTC
   5/24/22                    $9,646                           $9,646                       $9,100                   6.00%               $53,000                 0.18200000
   11/23/22                    $19,871                           $9,646                       $18,200            9.18%               $56,180                 0.35369811
   5/24/23                    $30,709                           $9,646                       $27,300            12.49%               $59,551                 0.51567747
   11/23/23                    $42,198                           $9,646                       $36,400            15.93%               $63,124                 0.66848817
   5/24/24                    $54,375                           $9,646                       $45,500            19.51%               $66,911                 0.81264922
   11/22/24                    $67,284                           $9,646                       $54,600            23.23%               $70,926                 0.94865021
   5/24/25                    $80,967                           $9,646                       $63,700            27.11%               $75,182                 1.07695303
   11/22/25                    $95,471                           $9,646                       $72,800            31.14%               $79,692                 1.19799342
   5/24/26                    $110,845                           $9,646                       $81,900            35.34%               $84,474                 1.31218247
   11/23/26                    $127,142                           $9,646                       $91,000            39.72%               $89,542                 1.41990799
   
5/24/27                    $144,416                           $9,646                       $100,100            44.27%               $94,915                 1.52153584


   11/23/27                    $162,727                           $9,646                       $109,200            49.02%               $100,610                 1.61741117
   5/23/28                    $182,137                           $9,646                       $118,300            53.96%               $106,646                 1.70785960
   11/22/28                    $202,711                           $9,646                       $127,400            59.11%               $113,045                 1.79318830
   5/24/29                    $224,520                           $9,646                       $136,500            64.48%               $119,828                 1.87368707
   11/22/29                    $247,637                           $9,646                       $145,600            70.08%               $127,018                 1.94962932


yeah if I sell my share of  the business in 27

that extra 1.52 btc
along with the coin I earn and hodl
and the coin I get from selling the business
and the GOV pensions
and the wifes 401k

would mean f you status at the 'young' age of 70  Grin

For sure it is good to have a kind of outline of a plan that potentially projects out where you might be in terms of all of the different aspects of both BTC and fiat denominated assets... and sure there is likely some residential property ownership that is already in the mix there too (if I recall correctly), and surely whether bitcoin out performs the 12% annual expectations of the chart or underperforms, that could both affect how many additional BTC you are able to accumulate, but surely it should not necessarily be any kind of deal-breaker in either direction.. .absent a complete crashing of BTC, which is also a non-zero chance, but still many of us realize that the downside risks of BTC have been becoming more and more long-shot scenarios that should not really be part of our main planning (even though we should have some preparations in case such an Armagaedon scenario were to playout).  

Of course, I would think that if you have already accumulated a few BTC, then BTC over performance scenarios would be preferred to underperformance scenarios, even though you would end up getting fewer BTC in your years to come ongoing accumulations, the value of the BTC that you already have would gain in value higher than the marginal adding of the new BTC, and that seems to be part of the justification that so many of us prefer that the BTC prices go UP rather than DOWN, but of course, many of us are not even too much damaged by even short-term negative BTC prices, so long as the BTC prices ultimately end up going UPpity... whether that timeline is 4 years or even something like 5.5-ish that you seem to be tentatively outlining...

Another thing could be that you end up being able to pull your fuck you lever before May 2027, perhaps even a year or two before that.. no need to be too rigid if you are making preparations that might well allow for such.  There are outlier scenarios that could see bitcoin prices reach supra $1 million in this cycle or even up to $10 million in the next cycle, so I would imagine if any of those upside outlier scenarios were to play out, then you would be in a position to have more options to accelerate your entrance into f-u status.  

For sure, I am not really the kind of person who gives too many shits on a personal level if $1 million to $10 million BTC were to happen in this cycle or the next cycle, but it seems that sometimes there still are needs to at least consider that these kinds of outrageous happenings could end up playing out.. so in that regard, there would still be some needs to attempt to psychologically and financially prepare for such outrageousness if it were to play out... part of the justification for preparing for outrageous would be so that we would not panick either if the outrageous ended up happening or even some milder version of such outrageousness.

Bring the science, or fuck off.

You fuck off ur lil selfie.... #nohomo


hahahahahhaha

I could not resist.

Not everybody was too bullish.

Not our favorite characters: Smiley




VERY true, and where would we be without them?

You know who I think mostly was too bullish?  I think it was mostly the class of ~2017.  And particularly the millennials and under.  I remember a podcast where Matt O'Dell was lambasting "Bitcoin TINA" for being too bearish while TINA was saying something like, I see us making 6 figures in early to mid 2022.  O'dell was still chanting things like "100k by conference day" and also embarrasingly drunk.

Bitcoinners who have been around the block a time or two realize that bitcoin never does what WE expect in the short term. LOL.  And someone like Tina might have gotten in around then too, but has seen enough markets to realize that things often take more time than we think...

I actually want to find that recording and isolate the bit where Tina still has a chance of being right. Wink  

Nothin' against O'Dell.  He's a good guy, and I am impressed with his devotion to privacy.  Though I also think his ideas that regular bitcoinners will EVER be able to do the kinds of privacy preserving stuff he preaches even more sophomoric than "100k by conference day" even was.  That said, he is quietly being dragged (uncomfortably) into Monero along with the rest of the privacy focused maxis, which is delightful to see... (ok JJG go ahead)

You make some decent points outside of your shitcoin shilling..,and for sure one of the issues that any of the public figures are going to have will be to end up changing some of their views publicly, and also making bold statements and then being wrong.  Some of those guys doing podcasts are not very old, yet I am not going to claim that they are really taking away from the space in any kind of meaningful way when they are either publicly wrong or that they might sometimes put out some bad ideas.  Many of us are guilty of putting out some bad ideas, and it becomes more likely the more that we say.  Sure, I am not proclaiming to be clean of a variety of possible internal contradictions from time to time, and maybe even more frequently than I would wish.

Another likely related thing is the mere responsibility for our own thoughts and actions, and sure any of us could be lulled into actions that we have not sufficiently thought through for ourselves, and there have been times that I have been blamed (perhaps partially only) for some action that some member took, and that seems to be a bunch of bullshit when people need to attempt to sort through the good, bad and ugly information that sometimes comes through some of the posts in this thread and/or on this forum... and yeah, sometimes there might be humor, and it may or may not go over head of another, and there have been quite a few times that I felt that I needed to ask about whether something was a joke or not, and sometimes the meaning of certain ideas that were purportedly meant to be jokes.
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BuT iNfLaTiOn Is OnLy 6%....

Ikea hoists prices by up to 50% and blames COVID
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/ikea-hoists-prices-blames-covid-172811789.html
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One little topical hopium salve for today?


Otherwise with price getting rejected by $48K as is currently the case it opens the door for $46K and lower. At least the end of the week is still to play for.
Am losing my mid-term bullish bias now that $49K support didn't hold and high volume selling has returned to the market though.
Long-term trend remains up but the short-term recovery was nothing more than a dead cat bounce for now.

I respect your TA work and cool headed approach, @dragonvslinux

So without posing as a TA guy (which I'm not - my SOMA engine stops as soon as I mention TA!), I would suggest we just wait out the mother of all options expiries on  Dec 31. I suspect there is an artificial additional load on price movements as it is now. On Monday, Jan 3 we can get back to our little discussion party and have fun without that huge smelly elephant pooping on us.
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BuT iNfLaTiOn Is OnLy 6%....

Ikea hoists prices by up to 50% and blames COVID
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/ikea-hoists-prices-blames-covid-172811789.html
If Ikea furniture is up 50% then bitcoin should do atleast 5000% jump. I see no reason why it shouldn't.
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I've been playing around with a good way to visualise this, and this is the best I have come up with so far, each band shows the percentage of the total supply issued in each epoch
 

The most powerful way to think is how much time to generate a bitcoin:
Genesis was 50 bitcoins every 10 minutes, or 1 bitcoin every 12 seconds.
Now we are at 6.25 bitcoins every 10 minutes, or 1 bitcoin every 1 minute and 36 seconds.
...
In epoch 18 it will be 1 bitcoin every 18 days.

Here is the full diagram:




Something I discussed here:
Equivalent Network Time

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December 29, 2021, 11:31:38 PM

..... then bitcoin should do atleast 5000% jump. I see no reason why it shouldn't.

Depending on the timeline, it already has.... and then some.

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We’re 2 years in now & it still spreads like wild fire. It’s clear masks do very little by now.
People will be on their 4th jabs soon but we still have restrictions. I’ve been done with this bull shit for a long time now.

Do I have to roll out a post about babies not wearing diapers and shitting all over a nursery? Because I could....

Let's keep the CoVID shit-posts in other threads and off the WO please.


... go fuck yourself, now you want to shut down discussion of the psy-op known as CoVID? ... after bleating about masks, compliance and vax mandates?

... it's all falling apart now that CoVID caught a cold and all the statist apologists "don't want to talk about it now" ??
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... go fuck yourself,


Hi marcus.. nice to see you. Happy festivus...
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... interesting that end of year close 2021 is looking to be around 75% up on 2020 close

... 200WMA has been steadfast on 75% yoy gains since a long time now, i.e. the secular bull for bitcoin adoption demand is around 75% annual increases

... 4 year halvening cycle supply shocks are coming to an end as percentage halvening decreases to below 2% annual inflation rates ... and increased market liquidity, speculators, traders, futures and derivatives markets smooth out the crazy 4 year bull run excesses and profit instead on shorter term fluctuations

... looking forward to 75% yoy gains ... 7x (350k) in 4 years, end 2025? 700k in 2029?


... well i really messed this up, thanks for the merits but you guys can't do math for shit either (shouldn't post high on christmas spirits)

... 75% yoy is (1.75)^X where X is years

... 9.4x (470k) end 2025, 4.4m end 2029?

... maintaining 75% yoy gains for the next 10 years would be nothing other than the S-curve supercyle of adoption demand, ending with mostly all global monetary reserves in bitcoin, in today, $100 trillion
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Price is looking kind of shit, funding rates are bouncing around negative so there is definitely some short interest in the market. I imagine that tax time and holiday liquidity is playing a part, hopefully first/second week of January things pick up for us again. A nice short squeeze would be good.
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Since you didn't bother to mention what country you were referring to I will do the same.
(see how easy it is to manipulate with graphs and numbers).

Changed my mind, my graph is for Sweden, I assume yours is for the UK since that's where LFC lives.

Kudos for keeping the deaths low. Unfortunately, 1500 Americans are dying from it every day.

... you need to unpack that "dying from CoVID" statistic quite a bit to get to the truth of the matter

... first there is the "dying WITH" versus "dying FROM" all-too-convenient distinction that somehow got lost early in the 'pandemic' and has not been rectified as yet

... then there is typical mortality versus age curve that needs subtracting out to arrive at an honest accounting for an excess deaths dying FROM CoVID

... and then to gain some perspective you would need to compare that much-reduced figure to fatalities for a similar respiratory virus, like the seasonal flu variant that circulates every season, during a non-COVID year with all the interventions, societal meddling and economy-destroying fuckery
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Some HODLing motivation quotes from our old friend:



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Back to bitcoin or have I missed anything?
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One little topical hopium salve for today?




OK!  Knock knock dead on the line...  



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I have not cast many  pearls really, because people do not listen to you, and it's a waste of time. 

yup, same experience here, waste of time.
Any thoughts on why?

guessing: friends with a history of poor judgement and short term thinking suddenly change their habits for "magic internet money"
 
Maybe Bitcoin and Marilyn are best unmentioned unless friends pass the marshmallow test?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment




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