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[xhomerx10]

I guess the others are at the end of the year rally event. Didn't you get the invite?

what rally?

 I know, right?!  I woke up from my food coma to check on this supposed rally too.

edit: well it is a little bit higher than when I fell into my coma last night.

[ChartBuddy]

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[ChartBuddy]

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[OgNasty]

My hands… Something strange is happening to them. They seem frozen and unable to click the sell button. I don’t know what’s going on but it seems contagious so if you don’t want to hold onto your Bitcoin forever you may want to avoid posting next to me.

[ChartBuddy]

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[Gachapin]

I guess the others are at the end of the year rally event. Didn't you get the invite?

what rally?

 I know, right?!  I woke up from my food coma to check on this supposed rally too.

edit: well it is a little bit higher than when I fell into my coma last night.

tomorrow back to less calories for me!

[philipma1957]

Name: Shabloot (Urdu Language)

Just discovered this dry fruit in my local fruit market and it's written in urdu language that "This fruit is for Diabetes"

Anyone has tried this

   I wasn't able to figure this out so I called a friend.  They told me that "shabloot" translated to chestnut but they questioned the spelling.  It's a transliteration though so...

  "shabloot" seemed to point to "chestnut" in English but those are no chestnuts I've ever seen.  Google image search has been rendered absolutely useless so that didn't help one bit.  Anyway... I thought maybe it was date seeds and found this on the NIH website:

"Accordingly, in our study, it is hypothesised that supplementation with date seed powder (DSP), as an efficient adjuvant treatment, can improve hyperglycaemia, insulin resistance, hyperlipidaemia, oxidative stress, anti-/inflammatory status, mental health and dysbiosis of the gut microbiota in patients with T2DM "

 and this from iopscience:

"Conclusion: the active substances in date palm seeds can improve oxidative stress in pancreatic beta cells so that it can restore insulin production. Consumption of date seeds has the potential to reduce blood glucose levels in hyperglycemic patients and does not change the glycemic index in normal people."

 After comparing more images, I realized it can't be date seeds either but hey, maybe philipma1957 can use date seed power until we figure out what the heck those things are.  I decided to give it one last try and I'm fairly confident that we're looking at acorns from the mighty oak.



  It would have been nice if there were a few stray caps in the image you provided to help verify but... I'm 95% sure that's what they are.  I don't know anyone who eats them around here - I mean you can eat them but they require processing to remove the tannins otherwise, you'll probably feel sick... you could poison yourself but before that, your tongue will feel like the insole of your boot.  That being said, once properly processed, they are very nutritious and maybe they're also helpful when it comes to treating diabetes:

"Acorn muffins could be utilized as an adjuvant therapy to control appetite and ameliorate glycated haemoglobin in patients with type 2 diabetes. However, further investigations are required for a more comprehensive conclusion." - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9922149/

 Have you eaten them?  If so, how do you prepare them?

I blew the image up and not a date or a chestnut or an acorn.

not sure what it is at all.



edit it is a fresh date.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=fresh+date+image&fr=aaplw&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc8.alamy.com%2Fcomp%2FH21941%2Fraw-organic-golden-fresh-young-dates-in-a-bunch-H21941.jpg#id=24&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn8.dissolve.com%2Fp%2FD1062_36_306%2FD1062_36_306_1200.jpg&action=click

https://dissolve.com/products?utf8=✓&keywords=fresh+date&media_type=photo

https://dissolve.com/products?utf8=%E2%9C%93&keywords=fresh+date&media_type=photo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dattes_deglet_from_Biskra.jpg


they are okay for a diabetic
wiki

[Biodom]

General thoughts on financial fairness and the lack of it prior to New years party.

It occurred to me how fundamentally unfair financial markets are.
Moreover, the level of unfairness is spreading.
Examples:  

Amazon IPOed at about $1 bil valuation, so all the growth from 1bil to 1 tril was available for individual investors.
Google ipoed at $23 bil, current valuation is 2.36 tril, so you still could have 100X, but that was 10-20X less in %% than AMZN
Facebook ipoed at 104 bil, current valuation is 1.5tril, so you still could have 15X, but it is 6x worse than in google.

Currently, spaceX has 350 bil pre-IPO valuation and Databricks has 62 bil valuation (pre-IPO).
How much can you make on spaceX from here?
Maybe 3x over 10 years.

"Regular" folks were shut out of these investments altogether, no matter how "insightful" you might have been.
The accredited investor laws in US are "taking care" of this.

Additionally, even if you are an accredited investor, you cannot get into the early investment rounds in the upcoming "famous" companies.
You can buy Space X at 350bil now, though.

To me, bitcoin and even the larger field is a "movement' to correct this.
Maybe it was not an initial idea, but it is what have happened already.
You did not need to be an accredited investor to buy bitcoin and 100-1000X (or more).

Similarly, i know that most people here are highly critical of s-tcoins, but to me it is much fairer to waste money in pnut or moodeng (just as examples as i am not a player) than to buy something issued in small circulation with VCs holding a large bag that they drop on you at the first occasion. If someone wasted five bucks on moodeng and it would have derped, so what?

Ideally, i would envision a situation where a company issues tokens (preferably on bitcoin blockchain) linked to their stock from the get go and ANYONE can invest.
That would be something profound and i am looking forward to this possibility.

Bitcoin is the vehicle to make the world more fair.

[philipma1957]

the image below reads fresh date on dissolve.com I think it is the same as the other image

[ChartBuddy]

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[bestcandy]

AFA losing access to your trezor, it doesn't matter, if you lose access to any wallet move your coins immediately!

You seem to be suggesting that it does not matter if the Trezor has a secure element or not?

If you lose physical possession of your trezor, then the coins should be moved?

I always considered the standard wallet (the one without a passphrase) to be a canary in the coalmine, if it were to get jeopardized first.

You want to gamble with your coins? 

I don't think that's a very bright idea.

I don't care what anyone says if you lose possession no matter how "protected" you think your seed is you would be playing with fire not to move them.

Many folks might not even know if they lost possession or not. They cannot find their Trezor, but they also cannot remember for sure where they last put their Trezor.

I know about a person in real life who had such a situation happen.

I am not exactly disagreeing with you, and by the way, we even had a forum member describe a situation of losing his Ledger (not that that piece of crap Ledger is exactly as good as Trezor), but I am suggesting that it might be difficult to know if your security has been breached, including making sure that your Trezor is in the place that you last left it.  Also, I am saying that your level of panic may well be at different levels (on the margin) regarding if your Trezor has a secure element or not.  Sure maybe the same result comes about in the end, yet the same result might not happen on the margin (or the threshold situations), so you can say for yourself whether you treat them exactly the same or not. 

I have my doubts, and that was the purpose of my question to you in regards to whether you were suggesting to treat the secure element Trezor the same as the non-secure element Trezor, and since we are having a little chat, do you believe that having more complicated pin codes with the non-secure element Trezor is materially helpful in regards to some materially sophisticated hacker to be able to extract your Trezor's seed words after gaining physical access to it?

....At the same time, I would suggest that you are wrong in regards to your description of the vulnerability being ameliorated by having a stronger pin number, which I believe hardly does shit if someone has  physical access to the device with a non-secure element.  
....

no no JJG .... The PIN is used to encrypt the seed on your device. A strong (long) PIN cannot be cracked via brute force, so it's not possible to decrypt your seed when someone gets hold of your device.
That's why Trezor enabled PINs with 50 digit length (maybe longer), when they fixed the vulnerability of physical access a few years ago.  

Means, if your PIN is long enough (has enough entropy) nobody can get the seed out of your device.
No (un)secure element needed !

I recall that the security breach of having physical access to the Trezor was from several years ago, and I thought that the ONLY remedies was avoiding physical access to the Trezor and/or having a passphrase, as is stated in this Kraken Blog article.  The Article describes brute forcing the pin too, yet I cannot recall the pin being less vulnerable based on length and complication, even though what you say makes sense if they have to brute-force the pin, too.

Until I see something more clear, I will have to take what you are saying about the creation of a more robust pin (as the solution to the problem) with a grain of salt.

haha no need to trust me.... that the PIN protects your Trezor against physical attacks by encrypting the seed is written in the adtual article you posted yourself...  

We then crack the encrypted seed, which is protected by a 1-9 digit PIN, but is trivial to brute force.

https://blog.kraken.com/product/security/kraken-identifies-critical-flaw-in-trezor-hardware-wallets

Again, that's why Trezor upped the possible PIN length to 50 digits (166 Bits), so there is no possibility to brute force anymore.

If that 2020 article is proclaiming that changing the pin number protects you from attack, then why did they not list such protection in their suggestions?  Here's what the article says:



Maybe there is a newer article going into such details that describe how making a more sophisticated pin code helps?  or prevents hack-ability, as you seem to want to proclaim.

Losing access to razor or any wallet is a serious issue because one can easily lose his/her asset on the process because it may not be possible to move the coin to another wallet when there is no access to the account. However, it's very important to be very careful when creating a password of our razor or any wallet to avoid any uncertainty that may result to losing access to the wallet.
Although, trazor give the possibility of using up to 50 digits in the password to avoid the possibility of brute force but sometimes some people may forget one or two digit or somethings may happen that may result to lost of memory which may make someone not to be able to remember the pin thereby resulting to lose of access to the trazor.
To avoid any uncertainty that may result to losing access to trazor or any wallet account it's advisable to be very careful with the pin to avoid anyone from having access to it or better still write the pin somewhere that will serve as a reference.

[ChartBuddy]

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[bestcandy]

AFA losing access to your trezor, it doesn't matter, if you lose access to any wallet move your coins immediately!

You seem to be suggesting that it does not matter if the Trezor has a secure element or not?

If you lose physical possession of your trezor, then the coins should be moved?

I always considered the standard wallet (the one without a passphrase) to be a canary in the coalmine, if it were to get jeopardized first.

You want to gamble with your coins? 

I don't think that's a very bright idea.

I don't care what anyone says if you lose possession no matter how "protected" you think your seed is you would be playing with fire not to move them.

Many folks might not even know if they lost possession or not. They cannot find their Trezor, but they also cannot remember for sure where they last put their Trezor.

I know about a person in real life who had such a situation happen.

I am not exactly disagreeing with you, and by the way, we even had a forum member describe a situation of losing his Ledger (not that that piece of crap Ledger is exactly as good as Trezor), but I am suggesting that it might be difficult to know if your security has been breached, including making sure that your Trezor is in the place that you last left it.  Also, I am saying that your level of panic may well be at different levels (on the margin) regarding if your Trezor has a secure element or not.  Sure maybe the same result comes about in the end, yet the same result might not happen on the margin (or the threshold situations), so you can say for yourself whether you treat them exactly the same or not. 

I have my doubts, and that was the purpose of my question to you in regards to whether you were suggesting to treat the secure element Trezor the same as the non-secure element Trezor, and since we are having a little chat, do you believe that having more complicated pin codes with the non-secure element Trezor is materially helpful in regards to some materially sophisticated hacker to be able to extract your Trezor's seed words after gaining physical access to it?

....At the same time, I would suggest that you are wrong in regards to your description of the vulnerability being ameliorated by having a stronger pin number, which I believe hardly does shit if someone has  physical access to the device with a non-secure element.  
....

no no JJG .... The PIN is used to encrypt the seed on your device. A strong (long) PIN cannot be cracked via brute force, so it's not possible to decrypt your seed when someone gets hold of your device.
That's why Trezor enabled PINs with 50 digit length (maybe longer), when they fixed the vulnerability of physical access a few years ago.  

Means, if your PIN is long enough (has enough entropy) nobody can get the seed out of your device.
No (un)secure element needed !

I recall that the security breach of having physical access to the Trezor was from several years ago, and I thought that the ONLY remedies was avoiding physical access to the Trezor and/or having a passphrase, as is stated in this Kraken Blog article.  The Article describes brute forcing the pin too, yet I cannot recall the pin being less vulnerable based on length and complication, even though what you say makes sense if they have to brute-force the pin, too.

Until I see something more clear, I will have to take what you are saying about the creation of a more robust pin (as the solution to the problem) with a grain of salt.

haha no need to trust me.... that the PIN protects your Trezor against physical attacks by encrypting the seed is written in the adtual article you posted yourself...  

We then crack the encrypted seed, which is protected by a 1-9 digit PIN, but is trivial to brute force.

https://blog.kraken.com/product/security/kraken-identifies-critical-flaw-in-trezor-hardware-wallets

Again, that's why Trezor upped the possible PIN length to 50 digits (166 Bits), so there is no possibility to brute force anymore.

If that 2020 article is proclaiming that changing the pin number protects you from attack, then why did they not list such protection in their suggestions?  Here's what the article says:



Maybe there is a newer article going into such details that describe how making a more sophisticated pin code helps?  or prevents hack-ability, as you seem to want to proclaim.

Losing access to razor or any wallet is a serious issue because one can easily lose his/her asset on the process because it may not be possible to move the coin to another wallet when there is no access to the account. However, it's very important to be very careful when creating a password of our razor or any wallet to avoid any uncertainty that may result to losing access to the wallet.
Although, trazor give the possibility of using up to 50 digits in the password to avoid the possibility of brute force but sometimes some people may forget one or two digit or somethings may happen that may result to lost of memory which may make someone not to be able to remember the pin thereby resulting to lose of access to the trazor.
To avoid any uncertainty that may result to losing access to trazor or any wallet account it's advisable to be very careful with the pin to avoid anyone from having access to it or better still write the pin somewhere that will serve as a reference.

[ChartBuddy]

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[xhomerx10]

the image below reads fresh date on dissolve.com I think it is the same as the other image

 While I agree there is a similarity, the fact that WatChe called what was in the image, "shabloot" doesn't agree with the Urdu word for dates - تاریخیں (taarekhain)
Also, you can see that at least one of the objects in the original image appears to be cracked open in a way that leads me to believe it's not a skin but a shell.

[Ambatman]

My hands… Something strange is happening to them. They seem frozen and unable to click the sell button. I don’t know what’s going on but it seems contagious so if you don’t want to hold onto your Bitcoin forever you may want to avoid posting next to me.

Buddy played the Hero for US.
I don't think I want to hold my Bitcoin forever
That's synonymous with dying in my book.

[ChartBuddy]

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[ChartBuddy]

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[sirazimuth]

the image below reads fresh date on dissolve.com I think it is the same as the other image


ftfy

Oh cmon bro! manners!  Image to fucking big!

Ok, nm...you get an OG pass this time... lol

<Checks image on the fondle slab device, as seen by the 99%, just for shitz and giggles>