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Hmm.

I have long waited for the crypto apocalypse.

But as of now?

Is not coming. We are about to enter the biggest explosion of shitcoinnery. Lol.

Mark my words. And I hope im wrong.

But the whole world is going to have to get rich and scammed and rugged over and over on the way to understand.

As it has always been.

As well as very very powerful people apeing into to stable coins and the like.

Ingesting times.

Oh. Bitcon is going to melt faces. That too...
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Hmm.

I have long waited for the crypto apocalypse.

But as of now?

Is not coming. We are about to enter the biggest explosion of shitcoinnery. Lol.

Mark my words. And I hope im wrong.

But the whole world is going to have to get rich and scammed and rugged over and over on the way to understand.

As it has always been.

As well as very very powerful people apeing into to stable coins and the like.

Ingesting times.

Oh. Bitcon is going to melt faces. That too...

I don't think so..we already have 36 mil of them.

What would happen instead is that some would become "oligarchy" coins that would be foisted on populace by the banks and investment firms, starting with some currently known names that were already discussed here.

I am afraid that bitcoin's message could be potentially diluted going forward.
I am keeping bitcoin intact, but would be looking at other opportunities if they come along.

From the look of it, we should expect higher prices on goods in the next 6 years, unless AI would bring in salary destruction on a massive scale.
I am quite interested in T. talking about no tax on income.
This might be because there will be DRASTICALLY less income soon, perhaps, so gov has to find money elsewhere?
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Hmm.

I have long waited for the crypto apocalypse.

But as of now?

Is not coming. We are about to enter the biggest explosion of shitcoinnery. Lol.

Mark my words. And I hope im wrong.

But the whole world is going to have to get rich and scammed and rugged over and over on the way to understand.

As it has always been.

As well as very very powerful people apeing into to stable coins and the like.

Ingesting times.

Oh. Bitcon is going to melt faces. That too...

I don't think so..we already have 36 mil of them.

What would happen instead is that some would become "oligarchy" coins that would be foisted on populace by the banks and investment firms, starting with some currently known names that were already discussed here.

I am afraid that bitcoin's message could be potentially diluted going forward.
I am keeping bitcoin intact, but would be looking at other opportunities if they come along.

From the look of it, we should expect higher prices on goods in the next 6 years, unless AI would bring in salary destruction on a massive scale.
I am quite interested in T. talking about no tax on income.
This might be because there will be DRASTICALLY less income soon, perhaps, so gov has to find money elsewhere?


So let me flesh it out a little.

1.  We are obviously entering a new era where there is a groundswell of Bitcoin/crypto advocacy in various areas of government leadership.  From the crypto friendly president.  To the Bitcoin investor Veep, as well as the maxi possible head of the HHS, and Lummis, and then down to the states all getting onboard with strategic reserves (I believe Arizona PASSED theirs).  Not to mention crazy Elon and whatever he thinks...  This is rolling out as a Bitcoin first, but crypto agnostic push that wants to see development all around the "space" (as much as I dislike that word).

2.  This obviously is not limited to 'Merica.  But when the US is making moves, the rest of the world will too.  And smart countries are front-running the US as hard as they possibly can.  And it is not limited to nation states... Companies are all taking note of Saylor as he executes his madman "speculative attack".

3.  The money power.  Blackrock, Fidelity, etc.  Nuff said.

4.  BANKS.  As the inevitable happens banks are already trying to figure out how to not go the way of Blockbuster (spoiler alert... they are not going to... that is a certainty).  When i say Banks I mean Credit Unions, small independent banks, all the way up to BoA, Wells Fargo, and again outside of the US ... HSBC, ING etc.  They are realizing that Bitcoin is an important thing, and is not going away.  So they are currently diving head first into custody, investments, and PAYMENTS.

OK... time for an outline shift...  PAYMENTS is it's own thing.  And i do not want to hurt the feelings of any single dimensional thinkers here that find the BCASHIAN argument of "read the title of the white paper!" compelling.  Even @jack has been saying things like "if we can't use Bitcoin for payments it has failed" from his NOSTR account.  And he is slightly right, and terribly wrong.  We WILL be using Bitcoin for payments.  But as everyone here in the original choir already knows (and if you don't then go back to class) we will NOT be scaling on the base layer.  So... it's going to be a competition of ideas.  So far the most established ones are Lightning which is either custodial, or high-friction... Liquid (sleeper in my humble opinion), Chaumian eCash implementations (these trade sovereignty for amazing privacy and other benefits), and ... OK... I know I have to turn in the maxi card I have never claimed to have...  alts.  They already exist, and the ones that matter make tradeoffs that most certainly break the real innovation of what Bitcoin does... but...

This is the rub...  this is the crux of why I have ended up here.

OK.  Wait.  Let me step back and make some disclaimer like points.

NOTHING is going to outdo Bitcoin for it's core purpose.  And the smart monkeys can already see that.  But the development of payment rails is ... imperfect to say the least.  Jack Mallers of Strike is nearly the second coming to the "plebs".  And he has already implemented stable coins on Strike via Tron.  None of the "influencers" like to talk about this very much.  They keep muttering platitudes like "stay humble, stack sats" and the like.  While one of their anointed is shitcoining on his app all day long.

Why?

Because he HAS to.  Because Gresham's/Thiers' law(s).  And because of how the world still currently works...

I say HAS to because he is running a business.  I BELIEVE he is actually a Bitcoin Maxi.  But he is also wise enough to realize (at an early age!! when most of his peers are still hung up in ideals) that there not only NEED to be systems that can bridge us to the eventual singularity of Bitcoin, but it is a ridiculous opportunity for profit to build these bridges.

OK... so back to the BANKS:

4. (again)  BANKS are going to do EVERYTHING they can to profit off of this transfer from FIAT to hard money.  AND they are about payments... and they are run by greedy humans like you and me.  So they are going to try to exploit everything they can to rig things in their favor. 

And THAT means shitcoins.  At least until overt shitcoinnery destroys one or two of the big ones.

In part because they just do not completely understand why Solana is NOT BITCOIN, and not even close.  And also in part because WE (maxis) also do not understand that since Bitcoin cannot do EVERYTHING it is inevitable we will try other things.

Here's the thing.  This cannot happen over night. It will be a transition.  It's too gigantic to just flip over and suddenly the bankers are jumping out of windows like that song someone posted way back.

Finally.

5.  The Powers That Be.  As in the Central Banks.  They know.  They know exactly what time it is.  And they are going to use their nearly unfatrhomable power to fight Bitcoin with all they have.

And THAT... means... --sigh-- shitcoinery.

But as I said... Bitcoin is the real thing.  We know that, and many others are waking up.  So it's going bananas.  No doubt.  And in the end those who fuck around are going to find out the hard way.  AND... ehm... maybe some other useful cryptographic schemes, possibly even involving non-bitcoin tokens emerge to satisfy needs at least in the meantime, and even possibly longer than that.

Nothing is ever black and white.  And no one knows the future.

Not all of it at least.

But I am certain of one thing.  Bitcoin is the real thing.  Some of us old farts might die before we get to see it REALLY blossom... but it's certainly got some momentum right now. 

And as odd as it might seem... all the disastrous chaos we are about to see is a part of it.

Smooch.

(I really need to stfu... and I am proud not to have mentioned AI lol))
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gREAT POST, cAPSLOCK!



1.  We are obviously entering a new era
Bitcoin/crypto advocacy in various areas of government
rolling out as a Bitcoin first, but crypto agnostic push
I agree it's already plain to see, notably the "agnostic" bit.

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2.  smart countries are front-running the US

Czech Republic is the latest. The president of its CB, no less, is advocating for some 2%-5% bitcoin reserve. Well of course it counts next to nothing, with the ECB looming above, but it's still a sight for sore eyes IMHO. Or a sound for sore ears if you're musically oriented.

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PAYMENTS is it's own thing.
Among the points you make, this is the one with the foggiest future developments IMO. Surely it's because there is still a technological gap to be filled, as you said. If a technically sound solution had already won over the others, it would be an easy path onwards. But, fond of Lightning, Liquid or eCash as any one of us might be, they aren't yet there. And we have lurkers crawling in the dark - that is, banks and faceless corporations in disguise. (Did I hear anyone say 'ripple'?)

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This cannot happen over night.
It's too gigantic to just flip over and suddenly the bankers are jumping out of windows like that song someone posted way back.
Interesting times we live in, for sure.

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5.  The Powers That Be.  As in the Central Banks.
they are going to use their nearly unfatrhomable power to fight Bitcoin with all they have.
And THAT... means... --sigh-- shitcoinery.
Especially CBDCs. The very elite of shitcoins. Enforced by an army and/or police. There's a dystopian future to be had here. Money that can be tagged "This dollar can only buy state-approved food". "This dollar can't be spent abroad". It could get worse. Programmable inflation. "This dollar expires if unspent in 2 months". "This dollar will be worth 80 cents in 2028". We must fight that as hard as we can while it's in the beginning stages.

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And as odd as it might seem... all the disastrous chaos we are about to see is a part of it.

No revolution has no victims. Let's try not to be that. Hodl.
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hmm 104k not bad. stack them while you can.
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Maybe someone else might want to weigh in on whether or not it is bullish for the President of the United States to be selling Bitcoin watches. While this is just another money making venture put on by his crypto team that he probably isn’t even aware of, it sure seems like a good sign for those of us who have been stacking coins.

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Beautiful things are happening:

- Trump signs Executive order to investigate Strategic Reserve

- SEC rescinds SAB-121 allowing banks to custody Bitcoin

- Federal Reserve says banks are “perfectly c capable” of serving Bitcoin customers

All within 10 days of Trump inauguration
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Maybe someone else might want to weigh in on whether or not it is bullish for the President of the United States to be selling Bitcoin watches. While this is just another money making venture put on by his crypto team that he probably isn’t even aware of, it sure seems like a good sign for those of us who have been stacking coins.



I want one where can I get it.
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Maybe someone else might want to weigh in on whether or not it is bullish for the President of the United States to be selling Bitcoin watches. While this is just another money making venture put on by his crypto team that he probably isn’t even aware of, it sure seems like a good sign for those of us who have been stacking coins.



I want one where can I get it.

https://gettrumpwatches.com/products/trump-crypto-president-jewel-47?_pos=8&_sid=a1b730e06&_ss=r

There you go. You might want to look around the site a bit. There is plenty of options to choose from, including a much cheaper option that doesn’t have the “stones” in it. I personally am not interested in gold plated jewelry, but I’m sure this will end up being quite a popular Bitcoin collectible in the future.
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Fugly!

But I sort of want one.

But NOT!
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You think that guys holding dee cornz should sell all of our coins or most of them?
Probably he who sells first sells best.

You already sold, though, right?  Or you failed to buy, right?
So you don't have our current dilemma, and you might not be very good to advise on this topic since you don't gots no coins.
Yes.  I have decided. 

I will give most of my corn to my progeny.  And they will do whatever they decide.  One I know will hoard them.... and likely pass most down.  But in the end they will find their way into the stronger hands...  And those will not all be of family cAPSLOCK.  Because those that spend them will spend them.  A great irony.  Who is wise?  The person who holds?  Or the person who buys temporal things?  We are all temporal.  So what do we save for?  So that the following fools might squander?  Or... save?  Again so their heirs might spend?

I cannot answer the question. Though it is clear what decision I have made.  I have Bitcoin enough to ride out my life with no effort.  And yet I go on as if that is not the case.
I suppose my children will decide...  Who is a weak or strong hand?

What is a strong hand anyway? Someone foolish enough, as I have been, to be satisfied with the security that having it gives me?  With no need of buying all that much?
Ehh who knows?

But for all of you... ha... I have a gift planned.  No... I will not give you my bitcoin directly. But a certain amount I will not hand down... consider THAT a gift.  From some ridiculous... somewhat mentally unbalanced... mostly fool, slightly genius, idiot... who has loved many of you for some time.
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Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone.

It sounds as if your plans to leave are NOT in the too distant future, which surely has a bit of a sad undertone, even though none of us are immortal in any kind of a meaningful way, since it seems that AI will likely fail to capture our essences, while that is at least my sense of those of us who seem to be mostly human (or maybe all human and just with a bad image?).

Hmm.
I have long waited for the crypto apocalypse.
But as of now?

Is not coming. We are about to enter the biggest explosion of shitcoinnery. Lol.
Mark my words. And I hope im wrong.
But the whole world is going to have to get rich and scammed and rugged over and over on the way to understand.

As it has always been.
As well as very very powerful people apeing into to stable coins and the like.
Ingesting times.

Oh. Bitcon is going to melt faces. That too...

You are not wrong, and surely those of us who are able to stay focused are likely going to be in a better place than the various shitcoiners, and likely the "insider" shitcoiners will still end up coming out o.k.. while they are fleecing retail.. .. but what else is new?

Some normies are going to figure out that bitcoin is the signal, so not all of them will end up being duped.    We  are largely saying similar things, you just seemed to emphasize the negative angle with a kind of expectation that humans have potential to human better, but that seems a bit of a hard bar since we are surely all flawed and gullible in various ways that end up getting exploited.. and even a lot of very smart peeps get sucked into some level of exploitation by the misinformation and disinformation.

I don't have any exact solution regarding how to help to save people from themselves... it tends to be a kind of process and a kind of way of the world in which we live, currently..   Maybe I am just saying that change takes time, and some eggs are going to get cracked along the way of eating a yummy omlet.

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I don't think so..we already have 36 mil of them.
What would happen instead is that some would become "oligarchy" coins that would be foisted on populace by the banks and investment firms, starting with some currently known names that were already discussed here.

I am afraid that bitcoin's message could be potentially diluted going forward.
I am keeping bitcoin intact, but would be looking at other opportunities if they come along.

From the look of it, we should expect higher prices on goods in the next 6 years, unless AI would bring in salary destruction on a massive scale.
I am quite interested in T. talking about no tax on income.
This might be because there will be DRASTICALLY less income soon, perhaps, so gov has to find money elsewhere?

Apart from your proclamation to seek out shitcoin opportunities, you make some decently good points.

Bitcoiners should still be in a good position to weather out higher prices of 2x to 3x-ish in  the next 6-8 years, investors in other assets will vary in terms of their abilities to keep up in real terms.

I am  likely not enough of a visionary to consider the ways that AI would be culpable of fucking up jobs as much as it might get blamed for other irresponsible aspects of governments that interfere with world-wide markets and incentives to work in a variety of ways that AI would not quite be ready to fill.  I suppose there could be some value in attempting to study these kind of impacts more, yet the elephant in the room likely relates more to various government money systems and various ways that free markets do not exist, and surely I don't even know the resolution to those kinds of matters since there is always going to be interplay between labor and capital and some aspects of trickle down does likely work but also workers are going to have uprising too if there might be lack of sharing of company profits. ... and I am not even claiming to know the solution to these kinds of tradeoffs that may become even worse during periods of unrest. 

I have doubts if Trump and his various team members have all (or even most) of the answers, at least from the USA angle or how whatever the USA might do in light of world ramifications, either.

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You are likely not wrong in anything that you say including that there are going to be KYC channels that are pushed and preferred, but direct transactions still exist and there are still people working on ways to directly transact.

yes, we have problems with tax treatment that discincentivizes direct transactions and other attacks on self-custody and software development.

Yes.. I understand it  all is not going to be magically resolved in any kind  of quick way, and battles are going to continue to be fought.. and I don't even want to get into any of your specifics, which again none of them are really wrong, except perhaps your seemingly futile (overly pessimistic) undertone.   Tongue Tongue

NOSTR is a great place for you to be expressing your views (and I likely have to get there sometime soon-ish), including questioning the extent to which Jack Dorsey is pushing KYC or non-KYC interactions.  I don't see Dorsey as an enemy, even though his bitkey is not really a very great wallet, even though it purports to  be.

By the way, you did not quite say that stable coins can be a kind of backdoor to have a CBDC without calling it a CBDC.. so I thought maybe I could add that point to the extent that you did not seem to highlight the problem of that angle.

Maybe someone else might want to weigh in on whether or not it is bullish for the President of the United States to be selling Bitcoin watches. While this is just another money making venture put on by his crypto team that he probably isn’t even aware of, it sure seems like a good sign for those of us who have been stacking coins.


Of course he is engaging in a kind of affinity scam... I am not sure how it can be stopped, but he likely is going to spark a lot of ethics investigations, and the backlash might not be helpful in regards to his being able to accomplish some of the more meaningful policy kinds of pushes, at least related to bitcoin.. and some of his other stuff can be quite divisive, but what else is new when it comes to that cat.. pushing limits and frequently going  beyond limits as a kind of negotiation position that might end up blowing up on him if he is not able to reign some of it in enough.
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It sounds as if your plans to leave are NOT in the too distant future, which surely has a bit of a sad undertone, even though none of us are immortal in any kind of a meaningful way, since it seems that AI will likely fail to capture our essences, while that is at least my sense of those of us who seem to be mostly human (or maybe all human and just with a bad image?).


Oh anonymous friend of years.  I have no plans.  I have never been very good at planning... but I would say do not count me out.  The curtain is still up.

And I would tell an old story... told many times before.

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One day Solomon decided to humble Benaiah Ben Yehoyada, his most trusted minister. He said to him, Benaiah, there is a certain ring that I want you to bring to me. I wish to wear it for Sukkot which gives you six months to find it.

If it exists anywhere on earth, your majesty, replied Benaiah,

I will find it and bring it to you, but what makes the ring so special? -It has magic powers, answered the king. If a happy man looks at it, he becomes sad, and if a sad man looks at it, he becomes happy. Solomon knew that no such ring existed in the world, but he wished to give his minister a little taste of humility.

Spring passed and then summer, and still Benaiah had no idea where he could find the ring. On the night before Sukkot, he decided to take a walk in one of the poorest quarters of Jerusalem. He passed by a merchant who had begun to set out the day’s wares on a shabby carpet. Have you by any chance heard of a magic ring that makes the happy wearer forget his joy and the broken-hearted wearer forget his sorrows? asked Benaiah.

He watched the grandfather take a plain gold ring from his carpet and engrave something on it. When Benaiah read the words on the ring, his face broke out in a wide smile. That night the entire city welcomed in the holiday of Sukkot with great festivity.

Well, my friend, said Solomon, have you found what I sent you after? All the ministers laughed and Solomon himself smiled. To everyone’s surprise, Benaiah held up a small gold ring and declared, Here it is, your majesty! As soon as Solomon read the inscription, the smile vanished from his face. The jeweller had written three Hebrew letters on the gold band: gimel, zayin, yud, which began the words "Gam zeh ya’avor" — "This too shall pass."

At that moment Solomon realized that all his wisdom and fabulous wealth and tremendous power were but fleeting things, for one day he would be nothing but dust.

Time for cAPS to go to bed.
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