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[El duderino_]

Over the years
Bullish news -> price go down
Bearish news-> price go down

Yet BTC is up

Luckily to have some

[Gachapin]

Hahaha

well eth still needs to go under 2k this month cause mr v sucks.

I am not excited about shitcoins, but there is some pleasure in seeing them dumping... and I tend to look at shitcoins in terms of their BTC price, so for the past 5 years, I kept thinking that it would be best if ETH would return to going below 0.02 BTC, and even better if it goes below 0.01 BTC.  Of course, shitcoins are not going to die completely, but that scam of a shitcoin really did get quite a bit of traction in terms of shamming a lot of folks into believing that it had value beyond a bunch of convoluted mumbo jumbo platform upon which other shitcoins could be built.  I am not technical enough to know the extent to which some of their technology might have ended up being ported over to bitcoin in order that there might have been some value beyond just fleecing retail in a variety of ways.

It had some value as a pow it is now essentially worthless with the switch it made to pos.  Basically all pos are next to worthless as they are clonable. POW IS OKAY IF THE ALGORITHM  has a ton of gear mining . Meaning Sha256 and scrypt the rest are meh.

There are not a lot of coins with any value. As eth is showing. YOU can simply make a knock off like solana which essentially can do what eth can better.

I still don’t know what Vitalik was thinking going to PoS. Solana really does everything Ethereum does but better now. It’s almost scary how younger users are almost exclusively being onboarded to Solana. It was a chain I wanted to see die, but now I’m mad I didn’t grab a bag at $8. If Bitcoin is the store of value, it seems Solana is setting up to be the peer to peer currency.

let's talk about that after the next two cycles again...

I'm not trying to come across as pro-Solana or anything.  I have like 0.005% of my crypto portfolio invested in it and mostly because I actually use it in person with friends who don't like Bitcoin and don't want to try and use it as a currency due to high fees (which aren't so high anymore but it isn't like they watch the mempool).  It's something I've observed.  When in my own personal life I have people who want Solana, but aren't interested in Bitcoin, it feels like a shift has happened.  Will it last?  Who knows.  This isn't a new development either.  Last cycle was the same way.  Solana may die and I wouldn't shed a tear.  However, I think with ETFs being launched these days and newbies being onboarded onto things like SOL & XRP, we may see alts stick around longer than in the past.  I guess we'll see in 2 more cycles, but honestly, I don't care either way.  I'd prefer new users were being onboarded onto Bitcoin, but outside of store of value, it can't really compete to those who only see the end user experience and don't care how the sausage is made.

it's the same every cycle... last one people around me talked similarly about cardaNO, polkadumb etc...

they all fail to see that crapto is different. Everything is more centralized or more easily censorable compared to BTC..

All you get from shitcoins is already available, or in the making, on Bitcoin (Lightning, Taproot etc ).. there will be no need for more base ledgers than one in the coming future..
Most noobs don't understand that... I have seen many learn it the hard way by loosing money.

Sure, there will always be people who wanna use crapto even when it's not needed for various reasons.. (just like people are free to use myspace nowadays).. but that doesn't implement a future growth of that user base..

there will only be need for one strong foundation for all transactions of monetary value.. and that one protocol will grow while all others stagnate and lose value against it. All shitcoin charts look the same against Bitcoin, when enough time passes...

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[OgNasty]

All you get from shitcoins is already available, or in the making, on Bitcoin (Lightning, Taproot etc ).. there will be no need for more base ledgers than one in the coming future..
Most noobs don't understand that... I have seen many learn it the hard way by loosing money.

I hate that I’m forced to take the anti-Bitcoin position on this thread at times, but the Lightning network is absolute garbage that nobody wants to use. Especially not people who are new to crypto. Maybe that will change in the future but I’ve been more active than most people in this hobby of ours and I have yet to ever encounter a situation when I needed to use the Lightning network, whereas I’ve come across many situations where my only option was to use ETH, SOL, or POL. I don’t acquire these coins to speculate. I have been forced to acquire these coins in order to complete a task because no other options were available to complete said task. That being said, Bitcoin is still my number 1 choice for everything and if it is ever possible to use it, I do.

[JayJuanGee]

Rank	Sport	Audience	Regions
1	Football (Soccer)	4 Billion	Europe, Africa, Asia, America
2	Cricket	2.5 Billion	Asia, Australia, UK
3	Basketball	2.5 Billion	America, Oceania, Middle East
4	Field Hockey	2.2 Billion	Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia
5	Tennis	1 Billion	Europe, Asia, America
6	Volleyball	900 Million	Europe, Australia, Asia, America
7	Table Tennis	850 Million	Europe, Africa, Asia, America
8	Baseball	500 Million	America, Japan
9	Rugby	475 Million	Oceania, South Africa, England
10	Golf	450 Million	America, Oceania, Europe

Well since we were talking about it I decided to do some (limited) research.  Some of the stats seemed outdated as basketball has really taken off these last few years so this table is only an approximation based on numbers I was able to find online. The popularity of Field Hockey blew my mind.

11	pushups	40	bitcointalk
12	stairs	4	random stairwells all over the world

American Football has not even made the top 10.  Bery bery interesting.

Very generous of you, vapourminer, to do some further looking into the matter and to include pushups in the extended list.

You are really lost.

He's exactly where he wanted to be

He's a human mimicking an AI model, and you are providing feedback on how adjust his algorithm to better coax you into giving him merits.

I am glad that you clarified the matter, uncle nutildah.  In regards to me, he seems to be lucky 13, so far.  

 

Hahaha

well eth still needs to go under 2k this month cause mr v sucks.

I am not excited about shitcoins, but there is some pleasure in seeing them dumping... and I tend to look at shitcoins in terms of their BTC price, so for the past 5 years, I kept thinking that it would be best if ETH would return to going below 0.02 BTC, and even better if it goes below 0.01 BTC.  Of course, shitcoins are not going to die completely, but that scam of a shitcoin really did get quite a bit of traction in terms of shamming a lot of folks into believing that it had value beyond a bunch of convoluted mumbo jumbo platform upon which other shitcoins could be built.  I am not technical enough to know the extent to which some of their technology might have ended up being ported over to bitcoin in order that there might have been some value beyond just fleecing retail in a variety of ways.

It had some value as a pow it is now essentially worthless with the switch it made to pos.  Basically all pos are next to worthless as they are clonable. POW IS OKAY IF THE ALGORITHM  has a ton of gear mining . Meaning Sha256 and scrypt the rest are meh.

There are not a lot of coins with any value. As eth is showing. YOU can simply make a knock off like solana which essentially can do what eth can better.

Maybe I would have had suggested that Ethereum was retarded prior to mid-2022, but they doubled down on retarded when they switched to proof of stake, and squandered away any value that they might have had to potentially hold a candle up to my lil precious.  I am not sure why you mentioned your other shitcoin talking points, as if we really need to try to figure out, in this here lovely thread, which shitcoin might be less shitty than other shitcoins... sure yeah, if they are poof of work or some kind of a meaningful thing like that, then maybe they have some kind of potential ability to be compared with bitcoin, but we don't want to get into those kinds of slippery slope analyses since there aren't any that are so far even close to bitcoin, not that we would want to get into that kind of an analysis in this thread anyhow...unless there might be some feature(s) that we might want to consider folding into bitcoin without getting too much drug into devolving bitcoin bashing diversions.

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[JayJuanGee]

SOMA I bet on sideways, dancing around 100k until fall, then...

That is a pretty long time for sideways (Fall would be like August? or September?).  I am not sure if dee cornz does sideways upon command, like that.

badger taught me patience...

so what's your bet for when we leave 100k for good.  (apart from a future bear market dump that might take us there again)

Sure, I make various random statements in regards to what I expect, but it is not like I am wedded to too many specifics.  I have not even recently provided any kind of upside percentage that would hopefully have more upside than the one I did December 16, 2021.

In other words, how can I bet on anything when I am such a waffler.. and  largely I am just criticizing your vague assertion of supposed consolidation until August/September-ish, even though it might happen... sure.

On my own behalf, I have made some claims from time to time, such as in March/April/May-ish I was proclaiming that I expected $120k to $180k prior to the end of 2024 and then some higher ATH in 2025.  My first part did not come true, so how am I supposed to come up with something else off the cuff? I am still somewhat sticking with that, even though I don't have any kind of a timeline, but  I would expect a bounce into that range and then consolidation in that range and then a further UPPity, and then some kind of a correction, but then the amount of UPpity of either of the potential UPpity legs depends on what happens within the leg, and then the amount of the downity (ie bear market, if any) depends partly on the extent that any blow off top might end up playing out, which a blow off top is not out of the cards, but it is far from guaranteed, also.

I also mentioned several times, starting around March 2024, that I don't expect the BTC spot price to go lower than 25% above the 200-WMA prior to the end of 2025, and so far I have been correct on that prediction, and currently, as I type this post, the 200-WMA is $44k, so $55k is 25% above it, currently.

In the past three-ish months, I had mentioned several times that I expected supra $115k before sub $85k, but I have not even been much greater than 50/50 on that.

I understand that BTC prices can shoot up or down at any time, and surely I would expect any downity to last very long, yet is it is still interesting that we have not had any new ATH  since the trump inauguration...so I am not sure if the Market needs some pro-bitcoin happenings to pump more, even though there has been a lot of talk (legislative proposals) around quasi-bitcoin reserves that have quite a bit of distraction stable coin talking points (AKa privatized  CBDCs).. .. ..so not a lot of hope around some of the dancing around on these matters, even though surely bitcoin does not really need various governments to pump our bags.. but at the same time, it would be nice to have less hostility in regards to bitcoin, yet the pumping of shitcoins and various other quasi-bitcoin adjacent digital assets are almost the same as an attack on bitcoin, even though from more subliminal directions -

So yeah, indirect attacks on self-custody and desires to control and/or trace bitcoiners...which still does not mean that our bags might not be able to pump - even though some of the folks who are engaged in subliminal attacks against bitcoin may not want to kill or debilitate the golden goose, but they seem to be unable to figure out ways to balance out that retail are not holding bitcoin in self-sovereign kinds of ways, so there are ongoing efforts to extract coins from normies like you, me and others who  have been holding coins longer, and sure some of us are not giving up more coins without more price appreciation...  but still the punchline is I don't really know how short-term BTC price dynamics plays out, even though it seems a bit of  wishful thinking that dee cornz would stay in some kind of a $85k to $115k range between now and August/September-ish as you seem to be anticipating, even if you might end up being correct in your guess about a stable bitcoin  that I doubt really exists, since we have a bit of a war going on underneath all of this and whether the BTC price has to go up before down  or down before up, I claim to not know.

Don't be rich, be wealthy. Bitcoin

https://x.com/roxom/status/1889137328372752757?t=2wNMm44urbZLBb5KesnELA&s=19

don't twitter crap in the WO

These guys should realize  that if they even give a few sentences of description or opinion about the twitter, then they will be on much better standing, even though some regular relatively long term WO posters are guilty of the same thing.. setting similarly bad examples.. since I personally would prefer to see what someone's opinion is about what  they post, or maybe describe what it means in a sentence or two.... lack of quotes also  gets on my nerves, personally.. since we should not have to go to the source to figure out  if the words came from the poster or from the original tweet.

You are really lost.

He's exactly where he wanted to be

He's a human mimicking an AI model, and you are providing feedback on how adjust his algorithm to better coax you into giving him merits.

JJG likes to feed poor farmers from time to time

JJG exercises his own discretion which varies from time to time within his own parameters that might be subjective, objective or some other kinds of things that JJG need not disclose nor discuss, even though upon JJG's discretion, from time to time, he might choose to respond in terms of smerit sending inquiries, including that JJG might also mention within such inquiries that he does not need to seek permission or fulfillment of some kind of pie in the sky wannabe uncle nutso wannabe standard(s), even though from time to time, wannabe uncle nutso does chime in with some attempts at seeming to have "deep" insight into wannabe smerit sending standards that seems to relate to how he (uncle nutso) would wish (in his lil fantasy world) that smerits should be contemplated prior to sending (or not sending).. ..  As you might recall wannabe uncle nutso had even been inspired to write his own lil quasi-productive and "meaningful" thread concerning his "deep" insights around the topic.   

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[JayJuanGee]

I don't care what people think about Trump, tariffs, Greenland, Panama canal ore turning Gaza into a lavish riviera of the Middle-East.

Only thing i want is that Trump keeps his word and start a Bitcoin reserve that will pump the coin to $300,000 within 8 months.

That will force other countries to do the same... 300k will be cheap then.

It will also be probably the end the usual cycles... no more 80% crashes to scoop up cheap coins...

Few countries (especially the USA) are not engaged in thoughts about making money responsible, and focusing on bitcoin.  The USA seems to be somewhat focused on fucking around with distractions, ways to pump their bags and ways to cause it to appear that bitcoin is part of some pack that makes USA more responsible while various fractions of the government continue to figure out ways to disparately reward their buddies within such future possible projects (also meaning to continue with attempts to continue practicing various Cantillon-type rewardings while having bitcoin as a kind of symbolic backdrop).  Sure some of us might be still wondering the extent to which bitcoin is only partially symbolic or if there might be some actual meat in any of the various legislative attempts, and it could be that some of the states or corporate adoptions of bitcoin might inspire the USA government (or force them) to be more responsible than what they want to be.

Well yeah I think that you have largely described the terms even though the amount seems so small to almost be insignificant.  To clarify, the outside date would be on or before December 31, 2026 - probably using midnight UTC on Bitstamp as our reference.  

Not everyone is rich like you JJG. Where I live it's a very decent amount. You were asking for 10:1 odds, I happily gave it to you. Anything pending at my end?

It seems that we are getting pretty damned close, and that we don't have any material differences in regards to what we seem to be agreeing, and yeah, I suppose if you consider the amount to be significant, and you are willing to stand behind it, then I have no reason to object on grounds that the bet is too small, even though you may have heard me describe that back in the olden days perhaps between 2014 and early 2020, I would frequently suggest that no coiners get the fuck off zero and start to invest $10 per week into bitcoin; however, after March 2020, I started to recommend $100 per week, even though surely sometimes I still do revert to making recommendations for the the lower level amounts since it is true that there are folks who struggle to garner up even $10 per week, yet for western buyers I tend to gravitate towards $100 per week unless I already know that they are struggling in very material ways to garner up any kind of discretionary income to have available on a weekly basis.   Another thing is that many of us surely realize that a certain value comes from attempting to be more aggressive in regards to bitcoin investing rather than less aggressive, and March 2020 should have had revealed a certain amount of information regarding 1) how fucked fiat systems are, 2) how desperate they are and 3) how likely fiat/debt based systems are going to ongoingly pervertedly debase the dollar (and other forms of fiat) in such way that bitcoin seems to be quite a logical (perhaps the most logical) safety boat off of that sinking ship system.... and so all of those revealed matters from March 2020, should help us to justify trying to invest as much as we can into bitcoin without recking ourselves, which surely can be $100 per week for some folks, but still understandably, other folks might ONLY be able to garner $10-ish per week.

So, maybe we should use round numbers?  You would put 0.0003 BTC into the fund (potentially held by hisslyness), and I would put 0.00003 into the fund.  We could add a bit for transaction fees (or if hisslyness tells us that he has some kind of a fee or a minimum amount, then he could tell us about that.. or maybe if we each add 1% to the amount we send hisslyness that will cover any fees), yet we also could send our amounts to hisslyness in a lightning address.  I think that it might be more difficult to keep the amounts segregated in a lighting wallet address, but if  we send the amounts on chain, then we cannot know the fees at the time of the payout.. but we could see the values on chain.

Of course if you hire someone escrow service then you have to pay the fee. You just pay the fee in this case rather then pledging anything. The house has to be paid something to run the business smoothly.
Though hisslyness already said that a post here would be sufficient.

I suppose you are correct that we could agree that one side or the other pay the escrow fees, yet hisslyness did not seem to requesting escrow fees, but instead just wanting to make sure that the fees for transacting might be sufficiently and/or adequately covered..and each of us needs to bear our own fees in that regard but  then if we used an escrow  we would have to send enough to make sure that he gets enough to cover the bet and in anticipation of any additional fees that he might have to cover any transaction fees at the time that he pays the winner of the bet.  As I see below, you seem to agree with my suggestion that we  might just choose that an escrow is not necessary, and you and I can  agree to direct transaction of the payment  of the loser of the bet, upon the time the bet terms is satisfied.

Just to reiterate:

The bet would close out in your favor (with me paying you 0.00003 BTC / 3,000 satoshis) on two possible conditions: 1) the BTC price goes above $333,333 on Bitstamp or 2) the time goes beyond 23:59 UTC December 31, 2026, and the BTC price had not gone below $90k on Bitstamp.

The bet would close in my favor (with you paying me 0.0003 BTC / 30,000 satoshis ) if the BTC price touches any price below $90,000 on Bitstamp before 23:59 UTC December 31, 2026.

Details must be clear.
Who knows what Bitcoin will be on 31st Dec 202?. This insignificant amount (for you) might be worth much more then it' today's value.

Personally, I think that the details are clear enough since we don't really need to know the BTC price on December 31, 2026, since we know that if the BTC price does not touch upon sub-$90k or does not go above $333,333 prior to December 31, 2026,  then on January  1,  2027 or within a reasonable time thereafter, you would need to provide me with a bitcoin address or a lightning address - probably a lightning network address will be more practical, since it likely would have lower fees, but some agreeable way that I could send you 3,000 satoshis, and I would cover the fees, which preferably would be less than the size of the bet (for the transaction fees). 

So  for example to day, if I were going to send 3,000 sats on lighting network, it would cost me 160 sats, which today, it would cost similar amounts to send such transaction on chain,  if I were to send with 1.13 sats per vbyte. However, we cannot know if the onchain fees are going to be higher  in the future, and it seems  that they will be, so we would need to be open in regards to how any such 3,000 sats transaction would be sent, if the bet does not close out prior to that time.  Otherwise if the bet closes out prior by hitting $333,333 and I pay, then we would consider the transaction fees at that time and hopefully figure out a reasonable way for me to send the transaction.

On the other hand, if the bet were to close in my favor, and the BTC price goes below $90k, then I would send you a bitcoin address or a lightning network address, and you can send the transaction to me and you have to figure out the fees and you have to figure out how to send it.  Most likely I am going to prefer to transact on the lightning network and to receive 30k sats.. after the fees are already covered on your end.

If we skip the escrow (skip involving hisslyness) then we would have to give each other a bitcoin address (lightning seems more feasible) at the time the bet closes.. and just figure that the amount received would have to include fees already having had been paid by the sender... .

I am open for that also i.e. P2P

That will probably work better, yet you have to stop talking in terms of dollars since neither of us should give any shits about the dollars, since our bet is in bitcoin / satoshis... If you win, you get 3,000 satoshis, and if I win, then I get 30,000 satoshis.

That is true that if I were not to pledge anything on my end, then it is like you are  just pledging on your end and showing that you have even greater confidence that sub-$90k will never be breached.. .almost like a reflection of your confidence that sub-$90k will "never" be breached.

I am doubtful Bitcoin will be below 90k from here. Don't know why you don't think that way.

You said that you were certain that it will never go below $90k (so I am allowing for nearly two years to pass, and  if it does not go below $90k, then you win).  Perhaps the odds are in your favor, yet I was ONLY willing to take the bet based on high enough odds, I probably would not have taken the bet on lower odds than what we agreed to.  It is not a 50/50 bet or a 80/20 bet.  It is more like a 90/10 bet.... even though for simplicity and perhaps a lacking of math skills on either side of this discussion, we framed it as 10:1, which I was willing to accept...and apparently, you too.

In another instance, I recall in about late March 2019 when the BTC price was merely in the $3,900s, and JSRaw proclaimed that sub $3,900 was never going to be breached again, and I chided him for his asserted level of confidence, and he ended up being correct until March 12, 2020, we ended up getting a red candle that spike for a few minutes down to $3,850.. hahahahahaha.. He was mostly correct, but technically he ended up being wrong for just a few minutes and nearly a year later.

That's why I said there is nothing certain for Bitcoin, it's all about prediction which can or can't be true. Not even you are certain about the price, you also make predictions which can or can not be true. I think fundamentals don't play much role in bitcoin, it can go up on its own and down on its own.  

As I already described, it seems that the reason that we are entering into this bet is because from my point of view, you entered into levels of confidence that are quite extreme, and you are largely willing to stand behind your assertion and to follow through with a 10:1 bet on the topic.  I don't have any problem with that, since it seems that we have been able to work out the terms, and each of us is still willing to stand behind the bet as we had agreed to such terms.

Yes, the odds might be greater than 50/50 that you are going to win this bet, but we are not betting 50/50., so I don't mind if I lose since I  believe that those are reasonable odds that we have agreed to from the point of view of each of us, at least so far, and I think that we are getting close enough to finalizing the bet, since I  think that we discussed it back and forth, and it seems that each of us understands the terms of the bet as the terms now stand and have been reiterated.

By the way: Why have there been 5 posts between me and Buddy, and everyone else are like crickets - silent crickets and not the sport, either..since several of you seem to ONLY like to talk sports, these days? 

Is there anybody out there, besides Buddy and yours truly?

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[d_eddie]

I don't care what people think about Trump, tariffs, Greenland, Panama canal ore turning Gaza into a lavish riviera of the Middle-East.

Only thing i want is that Trump keeps his word and start a Bitcoin reserve that will pump the coin to $300,000 within 8 months.

Once it's done, bitcoin would always be at a risk that next admin will sell it all, hence a large risk premium.
Albeit, I still like to "taste" that sweet 300K this cycle and not the next one  .

I agree with you Biodom, and I've been entertaining the same idea. However, I would like the rush of 300k. I think I'm voting YES to that bitcoin reserve thing.

The reserve thingy would have at least a couple of immediate benefits.

1. Instamoon , wherever the moon happens to be.

2. International recognition beyond blah blah. Widespread adoption. The digital gold narrative can be the key to a segment of old school savers, who likely have more to save than your average millennial or GenZ.

Of course, there is the possibility that a future administration could sell it all just out of spite. But don't you think other countries would continue undeterred? Once the effectiveness of btc as a reserve asset is a given, each country will do what they deem best for them. Not all of them will have a previous president to rebuke by dumping and losing (future) money.

Germany is the latest newcomer to the "shall I buy bitcoin" club. An ex minister of finances, no less. Assuming they buy (which is the biggest, main IF), we will see if they, too, dump, if and when the next POTUS does.

Ex-German Finance Minister Considers Bitcoin in State Reserves and Private Pensions

Christian Lindner, FDP leader and former Finance Minister, supports discussing Bitcoin's role in Germany's state reserves and sees it as a complementary asset in diversified retirement portfolios.

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[d_eddie]

Is there anybody out there, besides Buddy and yours truly?

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[vapourminer]

Is there anybody out there, besides Buddy and yours truly?

is it fuck you JJG thursday yet?

[xhomerx10]

Rank	Sport	Audience	Regions
1	Football (Soccer)	4 Billion	Europe, Africa, Asia, America
2	Cricket	2.5 Billion	Asia, Australia, UK
3	Basketball	2.5 Billion	America, Oceania, Middle East
4	Field Hockey	2.2 Billion	Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia
5	Tennis	1 Billion	Europe, Asia, America
6	Volleyball	900 Million	Europe, Australia, Asia, America
7	Table Tennis	850 Million	Europe, Africa, Asia, America
8	Baseball	500 Million	America, Japan
9	Rugby	475 Million	Oceania, South Africa, England
10	Golf	450 Million	America, Oceania, Europe

Well since we were talking about it I decided to do some (limited) research.  Some of the stats seemed outdated as basketball has really taken off these last few years so this table is only an approximation based on numbers I was able to find online. The popularity of Field Hockey blew my mind.

11	pushups	40	bitcointalk
12	stairs	4	random stairwells all over the world

American Football has not even made the top 10.  Bery bery interesting.

Very generous of you, vapourminer, to do some further looking into the matter and to include pushups in the extended list.

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 Bery, bery interesting indeed which is why I did more digging as I had heard that the NFL had the most lucrative sports franchises in the world and how could that be if it wasn't in the top 10?!  I had to find out for myself if this was the "American" world or the actual world.  So, I copied some data from here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue, (it's supposed to contain the currently available data) copied data from all entries entitled "Association Football" and "American Football" (sorted by revenue), removed some extraneous data and then put them in a BBcode table... hopefully I didn't mess up the data too much.  You'll have to take my word if you don't want to do the math but all of the other top earners that are Football but aren't "American" Football add up to 17815 (€ mil) and I find it utterly mind-blowing that the NFL outdoes that with 19299 (€ mil) thereby dominating the #1 spot.

Rank	League	Sport	Country(ies)	Season	Tier Level	Teams	Matches	Revenue	Rev. / team	Rev. / match
-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	(€ mil)	(€ mil)	(€ tdou­sands)
1	National Football League (NFL)	American football	United States	2023	1	32	285	19299	603	67716
4	Premier League (PL)	Association football	England	2022–23	1	20	380	7100	355	18684
6	Campeonato Nacional de Liga de Primera División (La Liga)	Association football	Spain	2022–23	1	20	380	5240	262	13789
14	English Football League Championship (EFL Championship)	Association football	England	2021–22	2	24	557	1060	44.1	1903
17	2. Fußball-Bundesliga (2. Bundesliga)	Association football	Germany	2022–23	2	18	306	785.7	43.7	2567
20	Eredivisie	Association football	Netderlands	2021–22	1	18	312	629	34.9	2016
22	J1 League	Association football	Japan	2023	1	18	306	564.7	31.3	1845
33	Championnat de France de football de Ligue 2 (Ligue 2)	Association football	France	2022–23	2	20	380	423	21.15	1113
35	Scottish Premiership (SPFL)	Association football	Scotland	2021–22	1	12	258	313	26.1	1213
45	Lega Italiana Calcio Professionistico (Serie C)	Association football	Italy	2022–23	3	60	1187	216.2	3.6	182
50	English Football League Two (EFL League Two)	Association football	England	2021–22	4	24	557	170	7	305
52	Eliteserien	Association football	Norway	2022	1	16	240	161	10	671
54	Super League Greece	Association football	Greece	2021–22	1	14	240	159	11.3	663
60	Israeli Premier League	Association football	Israel	2021–22	1	14	240	138	9.8	575
63	Ukrainian Premier League (UPL)	Association football	Ukraine	2021–22	1	16	143	118	7.3	825
65	Saudi Professional League (SPL)	Association football	Saudi Arabia	2022–23	1	16	240	111.1	6.9	463
68	Categoría Primera A	Association football	Colombia	2022	1	20	451	102	5.1	226
76	Liga I	Association football	Romania	2021–22	1	16	316	90	5.6	285
81	Kazakhstan Premier League	Association football	Kazakhstan	2022	1	14	182	70	5	385
90	Championnat National	Association football	France	2019–20	3	18	223	57.4	3.2	257
91	Women's Super League (WSL)	Association football	England	2022–23	1	12	132	56.6	4.7	429
92	Chilean Primera División	Association football	Chile	2023	1	16	240	55.3	3.4	230
94	South African Premier Division	Association football	South Africa	2019–20	1	16	240	53.4	3.3	222
98	I liga polska	Association football	Poland	2022–23	2	18	309	43.5	2.4	141
102	Superettan	Association football	Sweden	2020	2	16	240	39.1	2.4	163
105	Veikkausliiga	Association football	Finland	2022	1	12	167	33	2.7	198
111	League of Ireland Premier Division	Association football	Ireland	2022	1	10	180	26	2.6	144

 

[philipma1957]

was on the road again NJ to NY to NJ.

Spent 10 hours total, driving for 5 and 5 fixing shit at my dementia addled bro-in-laws. Home.

Fixed a seized water filter

Added a light in that area to do the work.

Fixed his ring camera for the front door.

Spent hours looking for his 1099-R from the feds for his income tax return

Went to bank with his aid.

Temporarily closed two windows that warped at the top and were open like 1 inch. The joys of a 93 year old house.

Lastly went to supermarket for various odds and ends.




So I was a bit too busy to type much here.

Missed the drop to 94k my ladder down buys start at 90,909

going to lay in bed and rest my back for a while.

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[Biodom]

 Bery, bery interesting indeed which is why I did more digging as I had heard that the NFL had the most lucrative sports franchises in the world and how could that be if it wasn't in the top 10?!  I had to find out for myself if this was the "American" world or the actual world.  So, I copied some data from here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue, (it's supposed to contain the currently available data) copied data from all entries entitled "Association Football" and "American Football" (sorted by revenue), removed some extraneous data and then put them in a BBcode table... hopefully I didn't mess up the data too much.  You'll have to take my word if you don't want to do the math but all of the other top earners that are Football but aren't "American" Football add up to 17815 (€ mil) and I find it utterly mind-blowing that the NFL outdoes that with 19299 (€ mil) thereby dominating the #1 spot.

Rank	League	Sport	Country(ies)	Season	Tier Level	Teams	Matches	Revenue	Rev. / team	Rev. / match
-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	(€ mil)	(€ mil)	(€ tdou­sands)
1	National Football League (NFL)	American football	United States	2023	1	32	285	19299	603	67716
4	Premier League (PL)	Association football	England	2022–23	1	20	380	7100	355	18684
6	Campeonato Nacional de Liga de Primera División (La Liga)	Association football	Spain	2022–23	1	20	380	5240	262	13789
14	English Football League Championship (EFL Championship)	Association football	England	2021–22	2	24	557	1060	44.1	1903
17	2. Fußball-Bundesliga (2. Bundesliga)	Association football	Germany	2022–23	2	18	306	785.7	43.7	2567
20	Eredivisie	Association football	Netderlands	2021–22	1	18	312	629	34.9	2016
22	J1 League	Association football	Japan	2023	1	18	306	564.7	31.3	1845
33	Championnat de France de football de Ligue 2 (Ligue 2)	Association football	France	2022–23	2	20	380	423	21.15	1113
35	Scottish Premiership (SPFL)	Association football	Scotland	2021–22	1	12	258	313	26.1	1213
45	Lega Italiana Calcio Professionistico (Serie C)	Association football	Italy	2022–23	3	60	1187	216.2	3.6	182
50	English Football League Two (EFL League Two)	Association football	England	2021–22	4	24	557	170	7	305
52	Eliteserien	Association football	Norway	2022	1	16	240	161	10	671
54	Super League Greece	Association football	Greece	2021–22	1	14	240	159	11.3	663
60	Israeli Premier League	Association football	Israel	2021–22	1	14	240	138	9.8	575
63	Ukrainian Premier League (UPL)	Association football	Ukraine	2021–22	1	16	143	118	7.3	825
65	Saudi Professional League (SPL)	Association football	Saudi Arabia	2022–23	1	16	240	111.1	6.9	463
68	Categoría Primera A	Association football	Colombia	2022	1	20	451	102	5.1	226
76	Liga I	Association football	Romania	2021–22	1	16	316	90	5.6	285
81	Kazakhstan Premier League	Association football	Kazakhstan	2022	1	14	182	70	5	385
90	Championnat National	Association football	France	2019–20	3	18	223	57.4	3.2	257
91	Women's Super League (WSL)	Association football	England	2022–23	1	12	132	56.6	4.7	429
92	Chilean Primera División	Association football	Chile	2023	1	16	240	55.3	3.4	230
94	South African Premier Division	Association football	South Africa	2019–20	1	16	240	53.4	3.3	222
98	I liga polska	Association football	Poland	2022–23	2	18	309	43.5	2.4	141
102	Superettan	Association football	Sweden	2020	2	16	240	39.1	2.4	163
105	Veikkausliiga	Association football	Finland	2022	1	12	167	33	2.7	198
111	League of Ireland Premier Division	Association football	Ireland	2022	1	10	180	26	2.6	144

 

Correct source, copied incorrectly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue):

NFL-yes, 19,929 mil euro

Then:

Premier League (England) 7100
La Liga (Spain) 5240
Bundesliga (Germany) 4452 (not your low number)
Seria A (Italy) 3618
Ligue 1 (France) 2378
MLS (USA) 2233
Braziliero seria A (Brazil) 1705
Japan 1506
India 1087
English Footbal league championship (second division) 1060
Russia 1050
smaller leagues-in the billions too.

Bottom line: 5 european majors-22788, which is > than 19929
If you add worldwide, more than 33 bil.

Than said, NFL revenue is impressive...not surprising with $100 for a salad and $60 for a beer in the stands

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