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[AlcoHoDL]

Proton... the people who made Protonmail (which is supposedly private?  I use it.  Conspiracy theories abound...) has just come out with a web based bitcoin wallet.

https://proton.me/wallet

At a glance it seems fairly good. Very simple, but seems to be built correctly for the tradeoffs chosen.

-Open source:  https://github.com/protonwallet/
-100% SELF CUSTODIAL.  They do nothing other than hold encrypted data (if you trust them...).  Your keys.
-E2E encrypted
-Only you have your keys*
-Standard 12 word seed that will work elsewhere
-Seamlessly lets you send bitcoin via email (have not tried this but sounds interesting)
-Uses (without any credit seemingly?) their own implementation of Blockstream's block explorer.**

I would like to see it allow for a BIP-39 passphrase to add a layer of security. but that said...

*Anything that runs in a browser window already has attack surface that otherwise would not be there.
**Block explorers are leaky and can be used in coin analysis and tracking.  In fact Proton could sell the queries made by their customers to coin analysis firms and thereby create links to BTC addresses/tx and IPs.  Of course this is true for ANY block explorer you use unless you run your own (and audit the code you use... ha)  Feel free to use mine if you can stand waiting on a TOR connection. I will not sell your data or even look at it.  TRUST ME. (lol)
http://emnjmgvibqwy5xncae3rekyitxxh2acc57sicmscfbnilsliqrfc3gad.onion/

Thanks for this.

I have only good words to say about Proton. I've been using their secure (and free) webmail service without problems. It's the cleanest and most security-oriented webmail service I've found. OTOH, in most free services, the product is YOU, but I'd like to think Proton is an exception.

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Thanks for this.

I have only good words to say about Proton. I've been using their secure (and free) webmail service without problems. It's the cleanest and most security-oriented webmail service I've found. OTOH, in most free services, the product is YOU, but I'd like to think Proton is an exception.

Yeah. I mostly trust them.  But of course there are rumors.  Whatever... we do the best we can.  And their stuff is as good as google's but with (possibly) less spying.

It is interesting... most people do not realize what we have lost as email has been 100% captured.  The WWW started out captured basically... but email?  It was a cypherpunk protocol really.  Just needed the users to encrypt their data.



But this webwallet seems legit at a glance, and correctly implimented... And this is what Proton promises us they do (trust!).  So it is the original intent right?  Hopefully.  I actually upgraded to a paid plan ENTIRELY to support them, and so I had more space (so not entirely out of ideals?).  They also have storage thing (like google drive) that is supposed to be similarly secure.  I use that too...

[AlcoHoDL]

Thanks for this.

I have only good words to say about Proton. I've been using their secure (and free) webmail service without problems. It's the cleanest and most security-oriented webmail service I've found. OTOH, in most free services, the product is YOU, but I'd like to think Proton is an exception.

Yeah. I mostly trust them.  But of course there are rumors.  Whatever... we do the best we can.  And their stuff is as good as google's but with (possibly) less spying.

It is interesting... most people do not realize what we have lost as email has been 100% captured.  The WWW started out captured basically... but email?  It was a cypherpunk protocol really.  Just needed the users to encrypt their data.

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But this webwallet seems legit at a glance, and correctly implimented... And this is what Proton promises us they do (trust!).  So it is the original intent right?  Hopefully.  I actually upgraded to a paid plan ENTIRELY to support them, and so I had more space (so not entirely out of ideals?).  They also have storage thing (like google drive) that is supposed to be similarly secure.  I use that too...

I've been thinking about subscribing to a Proton paid plan, but there's an important issue: do they accept anonymous subscriptions (e.g., payment in cash sent to a physical address, or in Monero)? If not, then I simply cannot pay them, because paying them would reveal my identity, thus negating the very purpose of using Proton.

Sweden-based Mullvad VPN offers anonymous payments, and does this very efficiently. You just put cash in an envelope and post it anonymously to a physical address in Sweden, or pay with Monero (or Bitcoin, but Bitcoin is not really anonymous). There's no need to give an email address. Your account is a 16-digit, randomly generated number. That's all there is to it. Clean, simple, anonymous. As all such services should be. I urge everyone to try their service.

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[JayJuanGee]

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Yeah, but pushups?     Where is the pushups?

You come off as biased.   

Well you know how tight-lipped anyone on the WO is about their hodlenings; there was no way to assay the bitcoins in play as we push-upped our way to 100k.

I frequently get accused of trying to (persistently and sneakily) interrogate other WO members in regards to the specific size of their cornz stash.. ... ...so I probably have a list, somewhere,   that I  can  share with uie-pooie..

But remember, mumz the word..... our little secret..   

Also, OgNasty is "our pushup leader" in that thread, so you can imagine how that goes.. hahahahahaha. ... .. I am not giving any of my more than 0.63  cornz to that there cat...If you know what I mean?  that would probably more than double his stash since he has been here and still trying to trade since 2011....

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making me read so much without answering my question of when you see BTC leaving the 100k range to the upside, I feel abused 

You really read it.  Wow. 

Perhaps you might  be correct that I did not answer directly... beyond perhaps implying that such supra $100k break out could happen at any time or it might not end up happening until next cycle.. although surely it seems that the odds are pretty good for a break out this cycle at some point.. perhaps soon^tm

Alternatively, you want me to answer that such break out might happen maybe by no later than fall.. August or September?  Then we would be on the same page, and I would have to take back all of my meanie accusations.

 

The more I think about the idea of "when moon," as you presented it, the more I think that I answered your question as much as I believe necessary to answer.. I provided several of my further claims about BTC price, yet you want something more specific in the direction of your specific question, even though I don't have that in my noggen, at this moment.  Do I look like some kind of a BTC price prediction guru wannabe?  Including specifics?


don't answer that



In other words, I like to criticize the claims of other guys, while waffling on any claims that I might happen to accidentally make, to the extent I make any claims beyond maybe suggesting that the 200-WMA has pretty good odds of going up somewhere between 40% and 100% or greater in the coming year...so between now and February 12, 2026.  We are on a 60% annualized track right now.. and perhaps it will get bigger?  perhaps? perhaps?

Since I did such a terrible job of it the first time...
......[redacted table]

¹ based on my desired level of research.

Agree... Yes..  a horrible job.. since I see your "desired level of research" fails/refuses to include pushups.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Thanks for this.

I have only good words to say about Proton. I've been using their secure (and free) webmail service without problems. It's the cleanest and most security-oriented webmail service I've found. OTOH, in most free services, the product is YOU, but I'd like to think Proton is an exception.

Yeah. I mostly trust them.  But of course there are rumors.  Whatever... we do the best we can.  And their stuff is as good as google's but with (possibly) less spying.

It is interesting... most people do not realize what we have lost as email has been 100% captured.  The WWW started out captured basically... but email?  It was a cypherpunk protocol really.  Just needed the users to encrypt their data.

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But this webwallet seems legit at a glance, and correctly implemented... And this is what Proton promises us they do (trust us!).  So it is the original intent right?  Hopefully.  I actually upgraded to a paid plan ENTIRELY to support them, and so I had more space (so not entirely out of ideals?).  They also have storage thing (like google drive) that is supposed to be similarly secure.  I use that too...

I've been thinking about subscribing to a Proton paid plan, but there's an important issue: do they accept anonymous subscriptions (e.g., payment in cash sent to a physical address, or in Monero)? If not, then I simply cannot pay them, because paying them would reveal my identity, thus negating the very purpose of using Proton.

Sweden-based Mullvad VPN offers anonymous payments, and does this very efficiently. You just put cash in an envelope and post it anonymously to a physical address in Sweden, or pay with Monero (or Bitcoin, but Bitcoin is not really anonymous). There's no need to give an email address. Your account is a 16-digit, randomly generated number. That's all there is to it. Clean, simple, anonymous. As all such services should be. I urge everyone to try their service.

Yup.  Mullvad is really legit.  I pay them with Monero.  Proton DOES accept BTC for payment.  So you can be as anonymous as your practices (which is full of holes usually).  I do it that way.  And I use Aqua wallet... that way I can go lightning->liquid->BTC->Proton. I can throw a Monero step in there too if I would like... and you will NEVER know.

OK I feel a soapbox moment coming on...  JJG is gonna batslap me.  But some batslaps are worth it.

Bitcoin is the deal.  We all know that.  But privacy/fungability is a MAJOR MAJOR issue.  And the religious maxi types will just mock/block you if you mention that not only is it a problem but it is STILL a problem in 2025!!!  But MONERO is really the only solution.  Still.  STILL.

I don't buy shit off the darknet markets.  But if I did.  I WOULD NOT USE BTC IN ANY FORM.  Monero ONLY in that case.  The point is... it is not good enough to risk that sort of security scenario.  So.. it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  Yet.

Bitcoin needs to implement Monero level privacy on it's payment layers.  The satanic information gobbling corporate layers are doing GREAT with their ETFs. (This is why I wrote here about ETFs being a double edged sword.)  And there will be other info gobbling banks coming along ASAP I am sure.  And great!  Most people are probably OK with their info being... ... gobbled.

Pant... pant...  ok I am a little too worked up.

Here's the thing...

TIME is valuable. (we only have so much)
EFFORT is valuable.  (we can only DO so much)
PRIVACY is valuable. (If you can see everything I do then it changes what I can do, and how I can do it.)

Bitcoin OWNS the first two.

WE HAVE to take the third one.  And we have to take it above the base layer.

I wish I was a developer...   But... I am retarded.




That said... 

Aqua wallet gets us much of the way there:
https://aqua.net/

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[Ivystar5]

So Trump and Putin are to visit each other in 2025 >>>>>

[JayJuanGee]

The weapon to increase the worth of Bitcoin is in the individuals. We (individuals) hold 70% so keep your holdings safe.

Your holdings are not for sale, pin it.



https://x.com/Saylorsatsire/status/1889652596018675877

Funny coming from Saylor - even though surely he is correct that the power of bitcoin is that individuals hold it, to the extent that the collective "us" have not lost our keys.

One of the few times I got rugged because of nyknyc. I almost never left coins on an exchange,  but I had some sitting in btce when they were shut down.

I take that back feds. I'm just making shit up...

Wow.  I wonder if he is going to open back up and give us back our coins?  I lost some too at the time of the shutdown... and it was not the ONLY time I lost coins.  Remember they switched domain names like 3-4 times before the shut down became final?

OK I feel a soapbox moment coming on...  JJG is gonna batslap me.  But some batslaps are worth it.

You are one  sick puppy.  #justsaying

Bitcoin is the deal.  We all know that.  But privacy/fungability is a MAJOR MAJOR issue.  And the religious maxi types will just mock/block you if you mention that not only is it a problem but it is STILL a problem in 2025!!!  But MONERO is really the only solution.  Still.  STILL.

I don't buy shit off the darknet markets.  But if I did.  I WOULD NOT USE BTC IN ANY FORM.  Monero ONLY in that case. 

I don't claim to be technical enough or to even know the exact privacy trade-offs, but I thought that lightning network was pretty good in the privacy realm - ie difficulties to trace..and sure maybe it depends on which wallets are being used, and/or what nodes might be the first hops.

The point is... it is not good enough to risk that sort of security scenario.  So.. it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  Yet.

Bitcoin needs to implement Monero level privacy on it's payment layers. 

I wonder if you are technical enough to be making these claims.  You make sound as if bitcoin is broken.  I recall hearing a podcast of a lightning developer recently, but I have to remember from  where I heard it.... .let me search...  or think about it.... Ok. I found it.

Bitcoin Takeover Podcast with Super Testnet as guest: Monero vs Lightning Network Privacy

I only listened to the podcast once, and I was doing something else but it seemed  that Super Testnet was making some decently good points about lightning network being superior to Monero in various privacy ways and even though the podcast is 2.5 hours, they start out talking about lightning versus monero... the Overcast App also breaks down the times in which each topic was discussed
 

The satanic information gobbling corporate layers are doing GREAT with their ETFs. (This is why I wrote here about ETFs being a double edged sword.)  And there will be other info gobbling banks coming along ASAP I am sure.  And great!  Most people are probably OK with their info being... ... gobbled.

 Of course, ETFs, banks and other third party custodial are going to provide difficulties, and perhaps even destroy bitcoin's whole peer to peer value proposition.

Pant... pant...  ok I am a little too worked up.

Here's the thing...

TIME is valuable. (we only have so much)
EFFORT is valuable.  (we can only DO so much)
PRIVACY is valuable. (If you can see everything I do then it changes what I can do, and how I can do it.)

Bitcoin OWNS the first two.

WE HAVE to take the third one.  And we have to take it above the base layer.

You have that bitcoin is broken theme going on with your post, just like the good ole days when you were doing those kinds of things in 2017 about bitcoin being broken and the need for big blocks....blah blah blah.. and we know how that went... early panic. or overly panic by too much too soon..

I wish I was a developer...   But... I am retarded.

I am retarded too.. and Gachapin too, according to the description below his avatar..

That said... 

Aqua wallet gets us much of the way there:
https://aqua.net/

Why aqua?  People criticize them for lack of privacy and their fees... I have downloaded Aqua but I have not started to use it.  I thought Cake was pretty good in terms of starting out its life supporting Monero, but they also added bitcoin (apparently silent payments, whatever the fuck that means?) and some other altcoins, but the Cake folks seem to have more privacy orientation than the Aqua folks, not that I know much about these matters, either.

[TEBTC]

I don't personally trust the aqua block chain because apart from the charge's privacy issues they are still behind in the market and needs to improve on their services many people are quiet skeptical about their block chain because to me they have not been convincing looking at their website and going through what is there they still have a improve on their services so they can can attract more to their user base https://aqua.network/

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[cAPSLOCK]

Funny coming from Saylor - even though surely he is correct that the power of bitcoin is that individuals hold it, to the extent that the collective "us" have not lost our keys.

OK I feel a soapbox moment coming on...  JJG is gonna batslap me.  But some batslaps are worth it.

You are one  sick puppy.  #justsaying

Bitcoin is the deal.  We all know that.  But privacy/fungability is a MAJOR MAJOR issue.  And the religious maxi types will just mock/block you if you mention that not only is it a problem but it is STILL a problem in 2025!!!  But MONERO is really the only solution.  Still.  STILL.

I don't buy shit off the darknet markets.  But if I did.  I WOULD NOT USE BTC IN ANY FORM.  Monero ONLY in that case.  

I don't claim to be technical enough or to even know the exact privacy trade-offs, but I thought that lightning network was pretty good in the privacy realm - ie difficulties to trace..and sure maybe it depends on which wallets are being used, and/or what nodes might be the first hops.

The point is... it is not good enough to risk that sort of security scenario.  So.. it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  Yet.

Bitcoin needs to implement Monero level privacy on it's payment layers.  

I wonder if you are technical enough to be making these claims.  You make sound as if bitcoin is broken.  I recall hearing a podcast of a lightning developer recently, but I have to remember from  where I heard it.... .let me search...  or think about it.... Ok. I found it.

Bitcoin Takeover Podcast with Super Testnet as guest: Monero vs Lightning Network Privacy

I only listened to the podcast once, and I was doing something else but it seemed  that Super Testnet was making some decently good points about lightning network being superior to Monero in various privacy ways and even though the podcast is 2.5 hours, they start out talking about lightning versus monero... the Overcast App also breaks down the times in which each topic was discussed
 

The satanic information gobbling corporate layers are doing GREAT with their ETFs. (This is why I wrote here about ETFs being a double edged sword.)  And there will be other info gobbling banks coming along ASAP I am sure.  And great!  Most people are probably OK with their info being... ... gobbled.

 Of course, ETFs, banks and other third party custodial are going to provide difficulties, and perhaps even destroy bitcoin's whole peer to peer value proposition.

Pant... pant...  ok I am a little too worked up.

Here's the thing...

TIME is valuable. (we only have so much)
EFFORT is valuable.  (we can only DO so much)
PRIVACY is valuable. (If you can see everything I do then it changes what I can do, and how I can do it.)

Bitcoin OWNS the first two.

WE HAVE to take the third one.  And we have to take it above the base layer.

You have that bitcoin is broken theme going on with your post, just like the good ole days when you were doing those kinds of things in 2017 about bitcoin being broken and the need for big blocks....blah blah blah.. and we know how that went... early panic. or overly panic by too much too soon..

I wish I was a developer...   But... I am retarded.

I am retarded too.. and Gachapin too, according to the description below his avatar..

That said...  

Aqua wallet gets us much of the way there:
https://aqua.net/

Why aqua?  People criticize them for lack of privacy and their fees... I have downloaded Aqua but I have not started to use it.  I thought Cake was pretty good in terms of starting out its life supporting Monero, but they also added bitcoin (apparently silent payments, whatever the fuck that means?) and some other altcoins, but the Cake folks seem to have more privacy orientation than the Aqua folks, not that I know much about these matters, either.

Many good questions in this post which I will address in detail when I am not sleepy.

But one thing, in short... I do not think bitcoin is broken in the slightest ( And I am not and never have been a big blocker)  Similarly, to payments and scaling, privacy will need to be solved at a higher layer than the base layer, which is well designed.

But privacy is not solved yet. The lightning network is good, but it does not get us nearly close enough to actual private payments. And so far, there are really not any non-custodial solutions that do.

[Negotiation]

#BITCOIN IS READY FOR A HUGE BUL RUN.


https://x.com/AO_btc_analyst/status/1889651706201284783


$500K heat in this year.

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