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I think the cycle breaks this year.

At least the 4 year concept.

We did new ath before the 1/2 ing
We cracked 100k way early last dec

And we may have witnessed the ath on January 20 a few hours before the musky trumpeter was signed in

It’s good to be prepared for all scenarios but I don’t agree with you here. We’ll see what happens but whilst the block reward is still whole bitcoins I think we continue to run on four year cycles.



I feel that whilst there’s still such a supply shock when mining block rewards are higher than most newbies even hold we will run on four year cycles.

I don’t have any scientific or mathematical formula to back this theory up.

Bitcoin is obviously maturing as an asset, we are seeing diminishing returns (I will need to confirm that depending on what this cycle high is. Is it more then 3.5x like the 2017 high of 20k to 2021 high of 69k. What will we land at this cycle?).

Perhaps the predictable four year cycle stops playing out in 2040 when the block reward is 0.19531250BTC or in 2044 when the block reward is 0.09765625.

Time will reveal all, I guess.


Whilst we’re discussing numbers, something that crossed my mind recently was, perhaps newbies should aim to HODL the amount of Bitcoin that correlates with the block reward (this will reduce as time passes obviously). Is there an argument that could be JJG’s fuck you money status one day?

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I think the cycle breaks this year.

At least the 4 year concept.

We did new ath before the 1/2 ing
We cracked 100k way early last dec

And we may have witnessed the ath on January 20 a few hours before the musky trumpeter was signed in

It’s good to be prepared for all scenarios but I don’t agree with you here. We’ll see what happens but whilst the block reward is still whole bitcoins I think we continue to run on four year cycles.



I feel that whilst there’s still such a supply shock when mining block rewards are higher than most newbies even hold we will run on four year cycles.

I don’t have any scientific or mathematical formula to back this theory up.

Bitcoin is obviously maturing as an asset, we are seeing diminishing returns (I will need to confirm that depending on what this cycle high is. Is it more then 3.5x like the 2017 high of 20k to 2021 high of 69k. What will we land at this cycle?).

Perhaps the predictable four year cycle stops playing out in 2040 when the block reward is 0.19531250BTC or in 2044 when the block reward is 0.09765625.

Time will reveal all, I guess.


Whilst we’re discussing numbers, something that crossed my mind recently was, perhaps newbies should aim to HODL the amount of Bitcoin that correlates with the block reward (this will reduce as time passes obviously). Is there an argument that could be JJG’s fuck you money status one day?



Sure, 3btc is a good place to aim for current non-rich newbs.
This also suggests about $1.58 mil/btc in 2040, not inflation-adjusted, obviously.
IMHO, EVERY current millionaire should aim to get at least 1btc, which they obviously can't do because there are 60mil of millionaires (or maybe even more now).
Some will try, though.
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I think the cycle breaks this year.
At least the 4 year concept.
We did new ath before the 1/2 ing
We cracked 100k way early last dec

And we may have witnessed the ath on January 20 a few hours before the musky trumpeter was signed in
It’s good to be prepared for all scenarios but I don’t agree with you here. We’ll see what happens but whilst the block reward is still whole bitcoins I think we continue to run on four year cycles.

I don't know why you are gravitating on more than 1 BTC being significant.  0.78125 BTC  starting in 2032 seems like a pretty significant amount to me.  It will probably be more than today's dollar values, including accounting for the debasement of the dollar,  and even 0.390625 BTC and 0.1953125 BTC seems significant too, starting in 2036 and 2040 respectively.  Those are going to be amounts of BTC  that are going to be out of touch for normies to accumulate...  absent a lot of aggressive ongoing, persistent and consistent accumulation practices.


I feel that whilst there’s still such a supply shock when mining block rewards are higher than most newbies even hold we will run on four year cycles.

I don’t have any scientific or mathematical formula to back this theory up.

Bitcoin is obviously maturing as an asset, we are seeing diminishing returns (I will need to confirm that depending on what this cycle high is. Is it more then 3.5x like the 2017 high of 20k to 2021 high of 69k. What will we land at this cycle?).

Perhaps the predictable four year cycle stops playing out in 2040 when the block reward is 0.19531250BTC or in 2044 when the block reward is 0.09765625.

Yep.. perhaps the 4-year cycle will start to not be exact, but I agree with your that  we still likely have to presume it to be continuing, until it doesn't

Time will reveal all, I guess.

Whilst we’re discussing numbers, something that crossed my mind recently was, perhaps newbies should aim to HODL the amount of Bitcoin that correlates with the block reward (this will reduce as time passes obviously). Is there an argument that could be JJG’s fuck you money status one day?

I have not updated my fuck you status chart recently, but below is a supplement to a post that I did 3 weeks ago.  You  can see that my current presumptions of 10% withdrawal rate fuck you  status, the amounts to get into entry level fuck you status go below 1 BTC in 2038,  so surely the amount of BTC you need continues to go down, and at this point, I see no reason to change the various assumptions behind the future projections.

Date           SpotPrice         200 WMA   %gain/time   Spotvs200            gain/time                Coins/10%FU Status   Coins/4%FU Status   Filty-Rich

11/29/24           $95,662        $41,513        27.69%         130.44%               $6,325                   19.27107171                48.17767928               2,408.8840
5/31/25                                 $53,236         28.24%          102.00%               $11,723                 15.02741817                 37.56854542              1,878.4273
11/30/25                                 $68,570         28.80%         102.00%               $15,334                11.66687027                 29.16717568              1,458.3588
5/31/26                                 $76,113         11.00%                                     $7,543                       10.51069394                 26.27673485              1,313.8367
11/30/26                                 $84,067         10.45%          95.00%               $7,954                    9.51624621                 23.79061553              1,189.5308
5/31/27                                 $92,412         9.93%          95.00%                   $8,346                     8.65683856                 21.64209640              1,082.1048
11/30/27                                 $101,128         9.43%          95.00%               $8,716                     7.91076448                 19.77691119              988.8456
5/31/28                                 $116,297         15.00%                                   $15,169                         6.87892563                   17.19731408              859.8657

By the way, my number of to be necessary for BTC for the two entry-level fuck you statuses is presuming a bitcoin withdrawal rate of 10% at $800k for the first one (which is a $6,666 per month income) .. then $2 million and a traditional 4% withdrawal rate with the same $6,666 monthly income.. and then filthy rich would be a $100 million net worth.. of course each of these categories/statuses is pegged to the 200-WMA value and not to the spot price, where-ever that might be at the various snapshot times in the future.. I feel way more comfortable attempting to project 200-WMA rather than BTC spot price, even though there is a bit of an assumption regarding the rate that the 200-WMA moves up is based on BTC's spot price dragging it up at whatever rate I am presuming to be within reason for that time period.

Date           SpotPrice         200 WMA        %gain/time      Spotvs200             gain/time                Coins/10%FU Status      Coins/4%FU Status       Filty-Rich
5/31/35                              $478,906            6.32%            95.00%                  $28,457                      1.67047403                    4.17618506                 208.80925
11/30/35                              $507,648            6.00%            95.00%                  $28,742                      1.57589473                    3.93973683                 196.98684
5/30/36                              $558,413            10.00%                                           $50,765                      1.43263158                    3.58157894                 179.07895
11/29/36                              $615,371            10.20%            102.00%                  $56,958                      1.30002865                    3.25007163                 162.50358
5/30/37                              $679,394            10.40%            102.00%                  $64,023                      1.17751952                    2.94379880                 147.18994
11/29/37                              $751,492            10.61%            102.00%                  $72,098                      1.06454876                    2.66137189                 133.06859
5/31/38                              $796,582            6.00%                                           $45,090                      1.00429128                    2.51072820                 125.53641
11/29/38                              $841,987            5.70%            95.00%                  $45,405                      0.95013366                    2.37533415                 118.76671
5/31/39                              $887,580            5.42%            95.00%                  $45,594                      0.90132681                    2.25331703                 112.66585
11/29/39                              $933,240            5.14%            95.00%                  $45,659                      0.85722882                    2.14307205                 107.15360
5/30/40                              $1,007,899            8.00%                                           $74,659                      0.79373039                    1.98432597                 99.21630
11/29/40                              $1,090,143            8.16%            102.00%                  $82,245                      0.73384836                    1.83462091                 91.73105
5/30/41                              $1,180,878            8.32%            102.00%                  $90,735                      0.67746186                    1.69365464                 84.68273
11/29/41                              $1,281,131            8.49%            102.00%                  $100,253                      0.62444830                    1.56112074                 78.05604
5/30/42                              $1,345,187            5.00%                                           $64,057                      0.59471266                    1.48678166                 74.33908
11/29/42                              $1,409,084            4.75%            95.00%                  $63,896                      0.56774478                    1.41936196                 70.96810
5/31/43                              $1,472,669            4.51%            95.00%                  $63,585                      0.54323146                    1.35807866                 67.90393312



Is that date correct?   First quarter of2024?   Something sounds incorrect about the timing of the post or the timing of the purchase, and being announced a year later?  Maybe?
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I somehow inadvertently inserted myself into this wager, out of frustration, mostly... However, i am more than happy to be the third adjudicator in this and also act as a third reminder of such wager! Rules are crystal clear, that i am sure i will not be needed.

Good Luck to you both!

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good luck and thanks hisslyness

You can also volunteer yourself as a referee, that will over look the process and give decisions in case there is a dispute.

if im around i will certainly give my opinion on it if there is a dispute as i have read it and it seems clear enough. but, i would do that anyway  Grin
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How about this original off the top of my head...

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Just for my Bitcoin Valentines.  I thought you would all like this one.  Smiley
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