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How could you not understand that you're being sucked up to for merits by now by people who have never actually bought bitcoin and never intend on it. You've been doing it for years. Others see you meriting suck-up shitposts, and that encourages them to also suck up to you. Its a vicious cycle. You're basically enabling the next generation of beggars, encouraging them to perfect the art of ass kissing instead of learn anything else whatsoever. Do you have zero introspective ability?

This is the entire reason they are here, is because you merited this post, which was a response to you:
You brought up a great point and I agree...
...I also liked how you mentioned the importance of flexibility in making decisions....
The other stuff they write is just a regurgitation of what you've already written a hundred times. They write it because they know its in alignment with your own beliefs, not because they actually believe it.
I can conclude that JJG likes to being ass-kissed. Who would have thought that our gay dancer avatar is into that stuff...  Cheesy

We have been married all of these years, and that is how you feel about me?


Don't try to get me kiss your ass, too  Grin


But seriously, I think all your points are valid. While JJG is free to spend his merits as he likes, he also gives a lot to beggars and by that is breeding an ever new generation of merit farmers who only write to please him.

Maybe the merit source needs to rotate, then?  Theymos?


I cannot imagine that he hasn't understood that yet. I think he is rather working on increasing the number of active users on this forum, whose design, to be honest, is not too appealing to newcomers... I have actually friends who wouldn't read the WO because of the old design that doesn't work well on smartphones...

I write quite a bit too.., and I don't merely send smerits to members who agree with me.. but it is helpful if they back up their points.. but yeah there are likely some members who are not writing with their own brain and maybe some of them have programmed bots to help them...  I probably need a bot to help me to read through so many post to attempt to figure out if they are really people behind the accounts or not.

Cmon JJG, I'm sure you know better which accounts are only fishing for merits than you want to make us believe.
And even if you didn't knew better which accounts are farming than why not just wait a little longer before you throw your merits towards them...
Let them make a few quality post before giving them merits or so.

Basically your call for Theymos makes more sense with regard to the merit system in general, the forum design and the financing of it (the 5k BTC surely haven't been used for that)


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I am not well versed in the technical side of things, yet, I am sure there are some projects which holds promise.

Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me.


You don't need technicality to distinguish shit... from real (BTC).

If you need somewhere to shill shit, use their forum.
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I like this analysis, it looks very good, and I see that reaching $140k is not that far away.


x:https://x.com/TechCharts/status/1949512991235293273

Saylor is clear:

Michael Saylor Signals More Bitcoin Buys as Strategy Continues Relentless Accumulation

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Michael Saylor, the influential founder of Strategy, appears poised to add more Bitcoin to the company’s already massive holdings.

In a recent post on X, he hinted at upcoming activity by sharing a chart from SaylorTracker—a site known for tracking his firm’s BTC purchases. Historically, every time Saylor has shared this specific chart, it’s preceded a new buy.

coindoo.com:https://coindoo.com/michael-saylor-signals-more-bitcoin-buys-as-strategy-continues-relentless-accumulation/

It's a matter of days before he buys more BTC.
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How could you not understand that you're being sucked up to for merits by now by people who have never actually bought bitcoin and never intend on it. You've been doing it for years. Others see you meriting suck-up shitposts, and that encourages them to also suck up to you. Its a vicious cycle. You're basically enabling the next generation of beggars, encouraging them to perfect the art of ass kissing instead of learn anything else whatsoever. Do you have zero introspective ability?

This is the entire reason they are here, is because you merited this post, which was a response to you:
You brought up a great point and I agree...
...I also liked how you mentioned the importance of flexibility in making decisions....
The other stuff they write is just a regurgitation of what you've already written a hundred times. They write it because they know its in alignment with your own beliefs, not because they actually believe it.
I can conclude that JJG likes to being ass-kissed. Who would have thought that our gay dancer avatar is into that stuff...  Cheesy
We have been married all of these years, and that is how you feel about me?
Don't try to get me kiss your ass, too  Grin

No problem.  Let's play hardball, then.

But seriously, I think all your points are valid. While JJG is free to spend his merits as he likes, he also gives a lot to beggars and by that is breeding an ever new generation of merit farmers who only write to please him.
Maybe the merit source needs to rotate, then?  Theymos?
I cannot imagine that he hasn't understood that yet. I think he is rather working on increasing the number of active users on this forum, whose design, to be honest, is not too appealing to newcomers... I have actually friends who wouldn't read the WO because of the old design that doesn't work well on smartphones...
I write quite a bit too.., and I don't merely send smerits to members who agree with me.. but it is helpful if they back up their points.. but yeah there are likely some members who are not writing with their own brain and maybe some of them have programmed bots to help them...  I probably need a bot to help me to read through so many post to attempt to figure out if they are really people behind the accounts or not.
Cmon JJG, I'm sure you know better which accounts are only fishing for merits than you want to make us believe.

You want to second guess my smerit sending too?  Do you think it is just one slick little package of smerits, and easy peasy to send them out in the way that I do as well as other things that I do in relation to the forum, with postings and interactions?

I have no need to defend my position or my behaviors, even if you (and nutildah and perhaps some other merit whiners) believe that you could send out smerits better or that you (and nutildah) believe that you could judge merit worthiness better than me... remember there are subjective and objective standards to smerit sending, yet the forum does not outline such standards as in the imagination of you, nutildah and other merit whiners.

In some sense, you are suggesting that I might be acting in bad faith in the way that I am, have been, and intend to send smerits, to the extent that my source does not dry up, and if that is the case, then you can report my behavior since if you believe that I am somehow being abusive of the smerit system and other related matters on the forum (like quid pro quo) in regards to smerits then that would be a violation of the rules..

Actually, neither you nor nutildah (and perhaps some other members who want to whine about how some members, including yours truly send smerits) seem to accept that I can do whatever the fuck I want in regards to the sending smerits, as long as I am not breaking forum rules in regards to getting paid or some other potentially unwritten rule that might relate to some kind of way that I might be acting in bad faith. In other words, you, nutildah and any of the other whiners about smerits are trying to create rules that do not exist.. your own standards to reform the smerit system, and perhaps you should solicit theymos about that. Surely, you also seem to want to proclaim that I am in breach of some kind of an imaginary bullshit standard that you (or nutildah) imagines to be in existence, as if you have all the solutions to balance out the ways that smerits are currently spent on the forum.  Cry harder.

And even if you didn't knew better which accounts are farming than why not just wait a little longer before you throw your merits towards them...

Oh?  Maybe you are suggesting that my smerit sending system (to the extent that any system exists) should be better employed within certain hours of work and guidelines? and you want me to keep track of newbie members in a better way so that I can filter out the ones who do not deserve smerits in accordance with some vision that you expect me to share with you, nutildah and the other merit whiners?  Will I start making a list of posts or members "to get back to" at a later date? and what system do you expect that I should follow to come to better judgement about the deserving and the undeserving?

Apparently, you have some clues about what I am doing and/or not doing.. and how it should produce better results, right?"  and how do you know these kinds of things?  You look at the posts and you imagine something out of your asses, and since the posts that I merited are not seeming up to standard, and/or there is something about the member that needs to be sorted out at the smerit sending level, and then you see that I have given merits to some folks who you believe to be engaged in questionable activities, supposedly merit farming.  Maybe each time before I hit the send button on smerits, I should ask myself "what would nutildah** do?"

**or substitute Gachapin or some other merit whiner in here.

By the way, an overwhelming majority of members who receive merits from me get their 1 smerit at a time, and rarely do I give more than 1 smerit to newbies, and then maybe some of these undeserving merit receivers are able to kiss my ass all day long so then by the end of the day, they might get 3-5 smerits in a whole day.  I doubt that there are very many forum members (newbies or otherwise) who I am consistently giving 3-5 smerits a day or even coming close to the 30 day smerit cap of 50 smerits.  Actually I am pretty sure that there has only been a couple of forum members (who I can remember) in which I hit the 30 day smerit limit cap of 50 smerits in a 30 day period. . and they weren't newbie members.

Let them make a few quality post before giving them merits or so.

Your little fantasy sounds good in theory... but in real world practice, I am not asking for suggestions as to when to first send any members smerits .. or how to screen them in better ways.. There might be some instances from time to time that I will see other forum members comment negatively about a newbie or that I will recognize some questionable pattern of posts, but I am not going to concede that there is any need for me, whatsoever, to have to follow some kind of pie in the sky standard that you (or nutildah or some other merit whiner) consider(s) to be a "more acceptable" way of going about sending smerits.. blah blah blah.

Basically your call for Theymos makes more sense with regard to the merit system in general, the forum design and the financing of it (the 5k BTC surely haven't been used for that)

I mentioned theymos since he seems to be the one who is making calls about who is a merit source or not and how many smerits that such merit source members have in their source and those kinds of calls, even though surely it is possible for members to report other members too.  . .and so I was kind of referring to the ability to either report other members or maybe to suggest changes to the merit system to the extent that you might have ideas that might be feasible and acceptable to theymos.. including but not limited to creating a smerit czar position.

I have no idea if there are any merit system changes pending, even though within the past few months, I recall seeing a few forum threads that were describing some recent changes that had taken place with some source members being added, other source members being removed and perhaps some changes in the quantity of source merits for some members... So I am not sure if theymos has any plans to make changes to my merit source situation, and surely if some members report me and/or their fantasy thoughts about my situation, then perhaps theymos could take those reports of various forum members into account in regards to if he might be considering making some changes to my current situation in regards to how many source merits I have and/or even if I remain a source member... Surely, if theymos was concerned about matters related to my attitude about this topic or perceptions of forum members on the topic, he could either reduce my smerits or he could remove me from such merit source status.  Seems that there were already a couple of threads on the topic, no?  But hey, maybe there are some new facts and/or logic and/or developments that need to be considered to shed more light (not those cheap incandescents.. I am talking real modern lights.. LEDs) on the topic.

I am not well versed in the technical side of things, yet, I am sure there are some projects which holds promise.

Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me.
You don't need technicality to distinguish shit... from real (BTC).

If you need somewhere to shill shit, use their forum.

That is a reasonable framework.

In essence, consider all shitcoins to be scams that have a burden to show evidence and logic that they are worthy of any attention, and the fact of the matter, if they were to take market share from bitcoin, they would need to be at least 10x better than bitcoin... so it is a bit of a difficult standard to meet, even though many folks want to get sucked into fucking around with shitcoins as if they had some kind of meaning, beyond merely being pump and dumps ways for insiders to print money to their benefit and off the backs of the gullible folks buying into their various nonsensical talking points..
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How could you not understand that you're being sucked up to for merits by now by people who have never actually bought bitcoin and never intend on it. You've been doing it for years. Others see you meriting suck-up shitposts, and that encourages them to also suck up to you. Its a vicious cycle. You're basically enabling the next generation of beggars, encouraging them to perfect the art of ass kissing instead of learn anything else whatsoever. Do you have zero introspective ability?

This is the entire reason they are here, is because you merited this post, which was a response to you:
You brought up a great point and I agree...
...I also liked how you mentioned the importance of flexibility in making decisions....
The other stuff they write is just a regurgitation of what you've already written a hundred times. They write it because they know its in alignment with your own beliefs, not because they actually believe it.
I can conclude that JJG likes to being ass-kissed. Who would have thought that our gay dancer avatar is into that stuff...  Cheesy
We have been married all of these years, and that is how you feel about me?
Don't try to get me kiss your ass, too  Grin

No problem.  Let's play hardball, then.

But seriously, I think all your points are valid. While JJG is free to spend his merits as he likes, he also gives a lot to beggars and by that is breeding an ever new generation of merit farmers who only write to please him.
Maybe the merit source needs to rotate, then?  Theymos?
I cannot imagine that he hasn't understood that yet. I think he is rather working on increasing the number of active users on this forum, whose design, to be honest, is not too appealing to newcomers... I have actually friends who wouldn't read the WO because of the old design that doesn't work well on smartphones...
I write quite a bit too.., and I don't merely send smerits to members who agree with me.. but it is helpful if they back up their points.. but yeah there are likely some members who are not writing with their own brain and maybe some of them have programmed bots to help them...  I probably need a bot to help me to read through so many post to attempt to figure out if they are really people behind the accounts or not.
Cmon JJG, I'm sure you know better which accounts are only fishing for merits than you want to make us believe.

You want to second guess my smerit sending too?  Do you think it is just one slick little package of smerits, and easy peasy to send them out in the way that I do as well as other things that I do in relation to the forum, with postings and interactions?

I have no need to defend my position or my behaviors, even if you (and nutildah and perhaps some other merit whiners) believe that you could send out smerits better or that you (and nutildah) believe that you could judge merit worthiness better than me... remember there are subjective and objective standards to smerit sending, yet the forum does not outline such standards as in the imagination of you, nutildah and other merit whiners.

In some sense, you are suggesting that I might be acting in bad faith in the way that I am, have been, and intend to send smerits, to the extent that my source does not dry up, and if that is the case, then you can report my behavior since if you believe that I am somehow being abusive of the smerit system and other related matters on the forum (like quid pro quo) in regards to smerits then that would be a violation of the rules..

Actually, neither you nor nutildah (and perhaps some other members who want to whine about how some members, including yours truly send smerits) seem to accept that I can do whatever the fuck I want in regards to the sending smerits, as long as I am not breaking forum rules in regards to getting paid or some other potentially unwritten rule that might relate to some kind of way that I might be acting in bad faith. In other words, you, nutildah and any of the other whiners about smerits are trying to create rules that do not exist.. your own standards to reform the smerit system, and perhaps you should solicit theymos about that. Surely, you also seem to want to proclaim that I am in breach of some kind of an imaginary bullshit standard that you (or nutildah) imagines to be in existence, as if you have all the solutions to balance out the ways that smerits are currently spent on the forum.  Cry harder.

And even if you didn't knew better which accounts are farming than why not just wait a little longer before you throw your merits towards them...

Oh?  Maybe you are suggesting that my smerit sending system (to the extent that any system exists) should be better employed within certain hours of work and guidelines? and you want me to keep track of newbie members in a better way so that I can filter out the ones who do not deserve smerits in accordance with some vision that you expect me to share with you, nutildah and the other merit whiners?  Will I start making a list of posts or members "to get back to" at a later date? and what system do you expect that I should follow to come to better judgement about the deserving and the undeserving?

Apparently, you have some clues about what I am doing and/or not doing.. and how it should produce better results, right?"  and how do you know these kinds of things?  You look at the posts and you imagine something out of your asses, and since the posts that I merited are not seeming up to standard, and/or there is something about the member that needs to be sorted out at the smerit sending level, and then you see that I have given merits to some folks who you believe to be engaged in questionable activities, supposedly merit farming.  Maybe each time before I hit the send button on smerits, I should ask myself "what would nutildah** do?"

**or substitute Gachapin or some other merit whiner in here.

By the way, an overwhelming majority of members who receive merits from me get their 1 smerit at a time, and rarely do I give more than 1 smerit to newbies, and then maybe some of these undeserving merit receivers are able to kiss my ass all day long so then by the end of the day, they might get 3-5 smerits in a whole day.  I doubt that there are very many forum members (newbies or otherwise) who I am consistently giving 3-5 smerits a day or even coming close to the 30 day smerit cap of 50 smerits.  Actually I am pretty sure that there has only been a couple of forum members (who I can remember) in which I hit the 30 day smerit limit cap of 50 smerits in a 30 day period. . and they weren't newbie members.

Let them make a few quality post before giving them merits or so.

Your little fantasy sounds good in theory... but in real world practice, I am not asking for suggestions as to when to first send any members smerits .. or how to screen them in better ways.. There might be some instances from time to time that I will see other forum members comment negatively about a newbie or that I will recognize some questionable pattern of posts, but I am not going to concede that there is any need for me, whatsoever, to have to follow some kind of pie in the sky standard that you (or nutildah or some other merit whiner) consider(s) to be a "more acceptable" way of going about sending smerits.. blah blah blah.

Basically your call for Theymos makes more sense with regard to the merit system in general, the forum design and the financing of it (the 5k BTC surely haven't been used for that)

I mentioned theymos since he seems to be the one making calls about who is a merit source and how many smerits they have in their source and those kinds of calls, even though surely it is possible to report members too.  

I have no idea if there are any merit system changes pending, even though within the past month or two, I saw some threads that were describing some recent changes that had taken place with some source members being added and some other source members being removed... so I am not sure if theymos has any plans to make changes to my situation, and surely if some members report me and/or my situation, then theymos could take those reports of other members into account in regards to if he might be considering making some changes to my current situation in regards to how many source merits I have and/or even if I remain a source member... Surely, if he was concerned about the matter he could either reduce my smerits or he could remove me from such status.

I am not well versed in the technical side of things, yet, I am sure there are some projects which holds promise.

Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me.
You don't need technicality to distinguish shit... from real (BTC).

If you need somewhere to shill shit, use their forum.

That is a reasonable framework.

In essence, consider all shitcoins to be scams that have a burden to show evidence and logic that they are worthy of any attention, and the fact of the matter, if they were to take market share from bitcoin, they would need to be at least 10x better than bitcoin... so it is a bit of a difficult standard to meet, even though many folks want to get sucked into fucking around with shitcoins as if they had some kind of meaning, beyond merely being pump and dumps ways for insiders to print money to their benefit and off the backs of the gullible folks buying into their various nonsensical talking points..


Sorry JJG, but I have no time right now to read your long text. Probably later. Just saw you posing many questions.

So here again in short what I wanted to say:


1)
If you were to want to get more active users to the Forum you are probably doing the right job with regard to your merits spending!!
However: I personally think there are better ways than to attract farmers who are not here for Bitcoin talk.
But that's Theymos' problem and a question about the merit system in general, nothing you can solve. So I think you are successfully doing what you can to increase active users ... if that'd be your objective.

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If you think in hindsight that you merited some bad accounts, my proposal was to wait and watch a bit longer before you send merits to newer accounts. It might increase the chance that you merit quality accounts only.

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I had the feeling that you are able to differentiate between good and bad accounts even more than you admitted




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Sorry JJG, but I have no time right now to read your long text. Probably later. Just saw you posing many questions.

So here again in short what I wanted to say:

1) If you were to want to get more active users to the Forum you are probably doing the right job with regard to your merits spending!!

I am merely participating in the forum, and having more interest in bitcoin rather than other topics.  I don't have any mission to attract members to the forum, even if there might be some side effects that my participation in the forum or even my smerit sending might inspire some members to participate in the forum more than they would have had otherwise...

However: I personally think there are better ways than to attract farmers who are not here for Bitcoin talk.
But that's Theymos' problem and a question about the merit system in general, nothing you can solve. So I think you are successfully doing what you can to increase active users ... if that'd be your objective.

I am just participating in the forum, and yeah, I was assigned as a merit source so I spend the merits that I have (or at least I try to).. which ends up being nearly every day.  Surely it may well be easier to spend smerits in large chunks (as the way some members do it) rather than the way that I do it**... , and surely there are merit source forum members who have dilemmas regarding how to regularly spend their smerits.

**By the way, since January 2018, besides my tending to post several times a day, I have sent more than 52,000 smerits (I think averaging around 17 smerits per day), and sure there are some other members with similar numbers, yet mine are pretty close to 1 smerit per post... .. so it can take a quite a bit of work to sort through if any posts might be merit worthy (from my perspective).. and maybe that I don't always understanding all of the contents of the posts that I merit or whether some of the posts might be being made by bad people (or not people at all).

2)  If you think in hindsight that you merited some bad accounts, my proposal was to wait and watch a bit longer before you send merits to newer account. It might increase the chance that you merit quality accounts only.

Sure some bad smerits end up getting sent out from time to time, and if I realize that they are bad merits or sent to bad members then I probably would discontinue sending smerits to that member to the extent that I believe that they are bad or that something is wrong with their account, but ultimately it is within my discretion to determine those kinds of matters, and whether I understand all posts or members or the situations of members might not even be anything that I am claiming that I know about, unless I come across some information or some information comes to my attention.  I am not asking for members to send me pms and tell me which members I should not send smerits...  or which members might be bots or which members might be affiliated with other accounts that have been banned from the forum or which members might be engaging in plagiarism... yet sometimes that kind of information comes to my attention, so I will figure out whether or not to stop or slow down in my sending of smerits to those kinds of members or to their posts (which some posts might still be good in terms of highlighting certain information or making certain points that others might not be making, even though I still might not really like the member or I might have concerns about if the member is a real person or have some other problems related to his account.. like members with multiple accounts.. ).

3) I had the feeling that you are able to differentiate between good and bad accounts even more than you admitted

Which suggests some kind of bad faith or that I am not doing enough due diligence (which suggest that I have a responsibility to do more due diligence than I am doing, to the extent that I might or might not be doing any, not that I even have to.... and do you really think that there is a forum standard that source members are obligated to screen members more thoroughly before sending them smerits?  

If there are worries that some members are getting on signature campaigns and receiving pay for their crappy posts, and sure that might be true.  Am I supposed to figure out what signature campaign managers should do in regards to accepting members to their campaign?  

I am not going to admit that I need to try harder than whatever I am already doing or that I need to report what I am doing or not doing, since there is likely no evidence at all to show bad faith or that I am engaging in purposeful propping up of bad accounts for nefarious reasons or even that I need to change anything that I am doing in spite of nutildah's ongoing whining about such topic for a few years now.. perhaps longer..  
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July 28, 2025, 07:37:54 AM

Another massive airdrop coming to Bitcoin holders? This has some real Hex vibes to it. I imagine it will sell off immediately and be used by hodlers to get a little extra free Bitcoin for their stack. It’s been a while since Bitcoiners have seen a dividend going out. Are we back in 2017?

https://x.com/altcoindaily/status/1949451706162385057


ooh yeah baby... bring it on!!

I had a few months of some high class vacation off the hex drop.... yes, I could have bought a mansion or so if I had sold later, but who wants to hold shit in his hands for so long. Would do the same again anytime!

Can't wait to get the free money from the cardaNO scammers...
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July 28, 2025, 07:41:49 AM

Let alts be the waves...


Nope, let's not.

Dude..."that" is kind of a curse word around here, if you did not notice it yet...wrong forum.

I am not well versed in the technical side of things, yet, I am sure there are some projects which holds promise.

Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me.



There is no technical side to it man. You just need to lose enough money on these "projects which holds promise" and poooof you'll understand....
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