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[ChartBuddy]

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[d_eddie]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

[Biodom]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

Josh Mandell thinks otherwise:

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/will-microstrategy-join-the-sp-500-big-bets-bigger-risks-202508260825

I am kid of torn: on one hand, some moves MSTR made suggests that they think they might be included.
On the other hand, a company is rarely included almost immediately after qualifying.

I didn't place any bets in either direction recently, but I already have a small MSTR long and a larger STRC long.

[Johnlomape]

Don't buy the dip cowards! wait for higher price  

Funny enough, this is the simple truth about most investors. They are easily motivated to buy the top when they see the price of Bitcoin creating bull candles. They believed if they buy the dip, price will keep falling and the worth of their Bitcoin will fall in value hahaha.
Market wizards will like to add your Bitcoin purchase to create more  liquidity to the market.

[philipma1957]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

It not he a Ham radio guy?

[ChartBuddy]

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[d_eddie]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

Josh Mandell thinks otherwise:
https://www.fxstreet.com/news/will-microstrategy-join-the-sp-500-big-bets-bigger-risks-202508260825

Yes, I've read that article yesterday, as well as other articles with a more doubtful stance. I was teasing BTCETFInvestor for some "public information" stating that it will definitely NOT happen. I mean something better than the Dothraki "it is known".

I am kid of torn: on one hand, some moves MSTR made suggests that they think they might be included.
On the other hand, a company is rarely included almost immediately after qualifying.

My biggest concern is the ample discretion allowed for the decision. More than anything, MSTR might be deemed not to fit the description of an IT company anymore.

[BTCETFInvestor]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

@d_eddie - The official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release from August 25, 2025, announced that Interactive Brokers Group would be joining the S&P 500, with NO mention of MicroStrategy, which strongly signals its exclusion from being included.

Not that something can't change at the very last minute...but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.  

One key for Strategy was that BTC kept its head about $98.8k which it has, so there may be a 'bit' of magic in the air, but at the time of the official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release it did not look promising for Strategy to be included...    

[d_eddie]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

The official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release from August 25, 2025

Good: an official statement that does not explicitly deny inclusion, but implies or suggests no inclusion. An even better reply would have included a link.

https://press.spglobal.com/2025-08-25-Interactive-Brokers-Group-Set-to-Join-S-P-500,-Talen-Energy-to-Join-S-P-MidCap-400-and-Kinetik-Holdings-to-Join-S-P-SmallCap-600

[BTCETFInvestor]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

It not he a Ham radio guy?

..-. ..- -.-. -.- / -.-- --- ..-


It's certainly not a scrap wire collector that sells cable nobody wants to a salvage yard!

[JayJuanGee]

It's a non-stop disco, bet you it's Crypto, betcha didn't know, woo
Non-stop disco, bet you it's Crypto, betcha didn't know, woo

Again that word.  Crypto.

How the fuck do guys not know? or they just do it on purpose?

Either way doesn't come off as acceptable from the perspective of this peep.

now if we ever moon I will be far more okay.

Still not ready for uppity but getting closer.

Gosh Phil.

Don't you consider that you should not let yourself get to such a situation in which you are overly prepared for down rather than up?.

I hate to sound patronizing, but I have to ask if you have actually learned from your most recent experience?   which involves selling too much too soon and/or failing refusing to buy at earlier times?

[xhomerx10]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

Josh Mandell thinks otherwise:

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/will-microstrategy-join-the-sp-500-big-bets-bigger-risks-202508260825

I am kid of torn: on one hand, some moves MSTR made suggests that they think they might be included.
On the other hand, a company is rarely included almost immediately after qualifying.

I didn't place any bets in either direction recently, but I already have a small MSTR long and a larger STRC long.

 According to Cointelegraph, the snub is already in - https://cointelegraph.com/news/robinhood-strategy-shares-dip-miss-sp500-inclusion

Jesse Coghlan Aug 26, 2025
  "Shares in trading platform Robinhood Markets and Bitcoin treasury firm Strategy fell in after-hours trading on Monday amid a broader market dip after missing out on being included in the S&P 500..."

 My understanding is that the DJI and S&P will not make surprise announcements of inclusion at meetings but will issue a press release with the details and date of the inclusion though so... I don't know if that can be considered a snub.  Maybe Mr. BTCETFInvestor has other information though.

[BTCETFInvestor]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

The official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release from August 25, 2025

Good: an official statement that does not explicitly deny inclusion, but implies or suggests no inclusion. An even better reply would have included a link.

https://press.spglobal.com/2025-08-25-Interactive-Brokers-Group-Set-to-Join-S-P-500,-Talen-Energy-to-Join-S-P-MidCap-400-and-Kinetik-Holdings-to-Join-S-P-SmallCap-600

Looks like you were able to dig it out yourself which was available a few days ago!  Why be an asshole because I didn't provide you a link?  You expect others to do research for you? 

[xhomerx10]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

The official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release from August 25, 2025

Good: an official statement that does not explicitly deny inclusion, but implies or suggests no inclusion. An even better reply would have included a link.

https://press.spglobal.com/2025-08-25-Interactive-Brokers-Group-Set-to-Join-S-P-500,-Talen-Energy-to-Join-S-P-MidCap-400-and-Kinetik-Holdings-to-Join-S-P-SmallCap-600

 So at least they won't be joining the S&P500 before Sept. 4th (monday being a holiday so no time for a press release)

[BTCETFInvestor]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

Josh Mandell thinks otherwise:

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/will-microstrategy-join-the-sp-500-big-bets-bigger-risks-202508260825

I am kid of torn: on one hand, some moves MSTR made suggests that they think they might be included.
On the other hand, a company is rarely included almost immediately after qualifying.

I didn't place any bets in either direction recently, but I already have a small MSTR long and a larger STRC long.

 According to Cointelegraph, the snub is already in - https://cointelegraph.com/news/robinhood-strategy-shares-dip-miss-sp500-inclusion

Jesse Coghlan Aug 26, 2025
  "Shares in trading platform Robinhood Markets and Bitcoin treasury firm Strategy fell in after-hours trading on Monday amid a broader market dip after missing out on being included in the S&P 500..."

 My understanding is that the DJI and S&P will not make surprise announcements of inclusion at meetings but will issue a press release with the details and date of the inclusion though so... I don't know if that can be considered a snub.  Maybe Mr. BTCETFInvestor has other information though.

d_eddie  couldn't be bothered to go find it!   

[Biodom]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

The official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release from August 25, 2025

Good: an official statement that does not explicitly deny inclusion, but implies or suggests no inclusion. An even better reply would have included a link.

https://press.spglobal.com/2025-08-25-Interactive-Brokers-Group-Set-to-Join-S-P-500,-Talen-Energy-to-Join-S-P-MidCap-400-and-Kinetik-Holdings-to-Join-S-P-SmallCap-600

Oh, but I assumed everyone already knew that.

This does not prevent MSTR (or HOOD) from entering SP500 at all because IBKR entered because Walgreens went out of public markets (got privatized).
These kind of changes can happen literally ANY time.
When we were discussing Sep 5, I assumed that we were talking about quarterly re-balancing.
I am still saying that there is NO public info about that.

[Biodom]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

The official S&P Dow Jones Indices press release from August 25, 2025

Good: an official statement that does not explicitly deny inclusion, but implies or suggests no inclusion. An even better reply would have included a link.

https://press.spglobal.com/2025-08-25-Interactive-Brokers-Group-Set-to-Join-S-P-500,-Talen-Energy-to-Join-S-P-MidCap-400-and-Kinetik-Holdings-to-Join-S-P-SmallCap-600

Looks like you were able to dig it out yourself which was available a few days ago!  Why be an asshole because I didn't provide you a link?  You expect others to do research for you? 

A bit harsh for a newbie.

[ChartBuddy]

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[xhomerx10]

MSTR will definitely NOT be joining the S&P500 this session. This is public information

Can you link a public source?

Josh Mandell thinks otherwise:

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/will-microstrategy-join-the-sp-500-big-bets-bigger-risks-202508260825

I am kid of torn: on one hand, some moves MSTR made suggests that they think they might be included.
On the other hand, a company is rarely included almost immediately after qualifying.

I didn't place any bets in either direction recently, but I already have a small MSTR long and a larger STRC long.

 According to Cointelegraph, the snub is already in - https://cointelegraph.com/news/robinhood-strategy-shares-dip-miss-sp500-inclusion

Jesse Coghlan Aug 26, 2025
  "Shares in trading platform Robinhood Markets and Bitcoin treasury firm Strategy fell in after-hours trading on Monday amid a broader market dip after missing out on being included in the S&P 500..."

 My understanding is that the DJI and S&P will not make surprise announcements of inclusion at meetings but will issue a press release with the details and date of the inclusion though so... I don't know if that can be considered a snub.  Maybe Mr. BTCETFInvestor has other information though.

d_eddie  couldn't be bothered to go find it!   

 d_eddie is very intelligent and very exacting when it comes to language.  I have a feeling he was prompting you for precision and clarity but without the benefit of non-verbal cues in this text-based world, misunderstandings occur.  I don't want to tell you how to feel about anyone in particular in this forum but while we may have our quirks, we're all pretty good shits in the grand scheme of things.

[ChartBuddy]

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