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The choice this time is yours. You should invest in fiat or continue to run Bitcoin? Bitcoin as a store of huge potential value.
You have to take responsibility for your own wealth, not leave your earned money in the hands of others.
Limited supply and possibility for increasing the worth.
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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.
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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.

 That's the craziest part of it all in my current situation. (Again, I am not complaining.) But getting through the summer has been my mantra... Well, summer is just about over, and I keep telling myself, "Just a few more weeks..." "Just a few more weeks..." I do see myself as an informed decision-maker, but maybe I am just biased... But every aspect of the current situation of just about ALL world events leads me to believe that we are going to see levels of change, good and bad (depending on who is reading this), magnitudes greater than we are witnessing now. I fully believe I am on the right side of the bets (but that doesn't make the daily grind any easier).I just hope I hold onto what sanity I have left to make the correct decisions just a lil longer!
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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.

50-60% chance "grok"

if the % is this low and BTC related then mostly we get the negative side of the coin.

End of year its giving 91-96% chance...  even with this high of % nothing is guaranteed for BTC related things.
We always have to go the hard way if we follow our parcours from the past until now.
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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.

50-60% chance "grok"

if the % is this low and BTC related then mostly we get the negative side of the coin.

End of year its giving 91-96% chance...  even with this high of % nothing is guaranteed for BTC related things.
We always have to go the hard way if we follow our parcours from the past until now.

Not gonna lie, I had to look " parcours" up. Smiley
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I found this article interesting

Central banks are selling US bonds to buy gold.

This guy is recommending gold for a long time. And he is predicting it can even reach 10k, which is 3x from now.

As USD collapses  , alternatives such as gold and even bitcoin will get a lot of money.

Image what could happen if just a small part comes to btc

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Foreign governments and central banks now own more gold than they own US Treasury securities.

That means that foreign nations trust in gold more than they trust in the US government.

We’ve been saying this for years: foreign central banks are selling their dollars, and using those dollars to buy gold.

Why? Because the US government’s massive debts make it a less trustworthy lender. While it’s unlikely that the US would outright default, it is very likely that Uncle Sam will eventually turn to the money printer as the “solution” to its debt challenge.

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At $2,000 gold we said this was just the beginning. At $3,000 gold we said that the story was still in its early days. At $3,500 gold, I’m still telling you that this story has much longer to play out.

Nothing goes up or down in a straight line, so there will always be pullbacks and corrections. But the case for gold easily goes to $5,000… and potentially well over $10,000.
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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.

It's interesting that Wall Street veteran Josh Mandell firmly thinks the S&P 500 committee has already decided that Strategy will be included in the S&P 500, and that only an announcement confirming it is due tomorrow.

The other candidates - AppLovin Corp., Robinhood Markets Inc. and Carvana don't have the same high-tech flavor as Strategy like the committee’s recent inclusion of Coinbase Global Inc., the largest US cryptocurrency exchange, and Jack Dorsey’s fintech payment firm, Block Inc. which definitely signals a recognition of the growing footprint of the digital-asset class. 90+% chance MSTR will be added.

https://x.com/Vivek4real_/status/1963479705857786263?t=bnoaNx6da37xWtIFKZS4yw&s=19
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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.

50-60% chance "grok"

if the % is this low and BTC related then mostly we get the negative side of the coin.

End of year its giving 91-96% chance...  even with this high of % nothing is guaranteed for BTC related things.
We always have to go the hard way if we follow our parcours from the past until now.

Not gonna lie, I had to look " parcours" up. Smiley

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Interesting observation.

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I’d feel a little better if we were melting up to the news or no news about MSTR tomorrow. The fading price makes me think the ‘somebody knows something’ indicator is saying we won’t get an S&P500 inclusion tomorrow. Hopefully we’re just seeing selling as people don’t want to bet on this and the decision hasn’t leaked.

50-60% chance "grok"

if the % is this low and BTC related then mostly we get the negative side of the coin.

End of year its giving 91-96% chance...  even with this high of % nothing is guaranteed for BTC related things.
We always have to go the hard way if we follow our parcours from the past until now.

Not gonna lie, I had to look " parcours" up. Smiley

our ride Smiley

For anyone who wants a refresher on what parkour is (to us Americans), this is my personal favorite implementation of it.

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By the way jbreher, recently I had mentioned you as a guy who seemed to be having difficulties with unit bias, so hopefully you have recently gotten over gifting bitcoin in 1 coin increments.  

I stopped gifting in 1 BTC increments when the $USD value of 1 BTC exceeded the IRS nontaxable gift maximums.

so, basically we will be able to gift whole cornz again later this year?

buy the dip lol?

Personally, I don't think we've come close the the face melting blowoff top this cycle. Though I do envision it ending in a huge crash - to .... umm ... maybe $200K?

DYOR

Nice to see you.

I used to think I had a napkin math handle on the macroeconomic and social forces of the day.  But at our current point I am quite confused.  There are so many forces in play.  A weakening USD, the possibility of a "gold backed" electronic BRICS currency.  Look at China's gold (and gold derivatives) acquisition.  The migration and social upheaval in Europe.  The strangely similar, but currently stemmed tide of migration to the US.  The advent of the public's awareness of AI (which obviously is not new to the 'powers that be') .  The first, second, etc order effects of AI on society.  The emergence of new extreme demand of power and water by data centers while the global population's demand for these things is also growing.  The various wars in play.  A proxy war between the US and Russia. The absolute extermination of people in Gaza.

The establishment of paper bitcoin in the form of NASDAQ plays (MSTR and it's derivatives as well as the many copycats)  as well as things like ETF's.  And the centralization of BTC custody.  And their sensible and enevitable meltdown.

I will not bore you with the other 90% of my list. Wink

Bitcoin remains the escape hatch.

The central bank(s) and it's tentacles like the BIS, IMF etc do not want this... so they are moving faster and faster towards CBDCs.  And identity control. 

-Sigh-

But you are probably right.  Even in the presence of all these things... the cycle continues.

Bitcoin does not care.


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