Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[ChartBuddy]

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[AlcoHoDL]

Another Sunday,
Another chaotic week.
Let's poeticize!

Marriage a duty?
More like a social construct.
Sharing is fine though.

We've all done our part.
Evangelism is over.
You're now on your own!

This is what happens,
When ego and mistakes mix.
Smart guys become clowns!

You know who you are.
You know what mistakes you've made.
Man up and own it!

Invest BIGgedly,
Or kill it before it grows.
Who shot the sheriff?

Cycle's not over.
Expect a mega-pump soon.
Carolination!

#7wodigestsundayhaikus

[ESG]

....Just today I was comparing the annual chart of the BTC MarketCap with the weekly chart of BTC prices, and I saw that until March 2025, the market cap was on average 2.09T and the price was at a top of 68K, now, that this week there was a drop in the BTC market cap to 2.19T and the price at a top of 110K, that is, the price practically has doubled and practically the capital is almost the same....

You might need to zoom out a bit more instead of getting caught up in short term distractions.

Sure gold has been doing relatively well in the past 9 months or so.. ..

...Taking trade declines is more difficult than knowing if we are at the top or at support, and looking at these things helps me a little in the declines to be taken, it doesn't mean that the declines will be right or wrong, but the decision is the hardest.
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I doubt that the decision is so difficult, but hey you decide what you like, and gold is not really a topic of this thread either...

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We don't need to agree, yet maybe you are wanting that we elaborate on talking about the difference between bitcoin investing and trading?

I doubt it is good to be trading bitcoin rather than investing into it, but people can do what they like.. and have fun staying poor if they are a trader.  Investors have quite outperformed traders, especially if we are talking over a couple of cycles, and it is probably going to continue to be true that investors outperform traders, but yeah, some folks cannot resist but to trade when they could have done quite well for themselves if they had mostly restrained from trading and emphasized on investing into bitcoin.

Of course, we don't need to agree, but at this point, to be able to see and have where I see people talk about BTC, I agree.. I never bought gold, neither physical nor virtual,, yesterday I remembered a thread here on the forum and went there to look, 'Gold storage', and saw that it was over... And I found it interesting the moment it came to an end, giving a great opportunity to people who had something there and if they bought BTC, they made a good deal. I know this is not the place to talk about gold, but it was just a detail that I noticed and decided to post here... Sorry if I went off topic in comparing this... But if I have to, I can go back there and delete it.
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 As I said earlier, I have a capital destined for me to trade BTC, and another part in BTC is intended to be saved., this part I have to trade, the profits are to buy BTC and keep. and I try to keep this capital, of which I lost 30% and of that 30% I have already recovered 80% of it.... And if everything goes well, soon I'll be buying back BTC to be saved, and I'm not a rich man. And I know that if this capital had been in BTC since the beginning of the year, I wouldn't be having this trouble of trying to recover, I would have doubled this capital, and I would continue with the base amount and another 50% would be in BTC now and I wouldn't have this work of wasting time trying to recover.,  I can tell you that I don't see Bitcoin as an investment, but a necessity.
   But I can say that this part that I don't touch, I moved about 20% and moved to another crypto, I can say, but I won't say, and I'm in about 20% profit if I go back to BTC now, and even if it goes back to the same amount I paid for it I'll still be in profit because during that time, She has already been and returned to BTC about 4 times, and they are already running out of time, because my goal has already been achieved.
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In the same way that it is difficult to make a decision to trade, I also think that making a decision to answer you is not so easy, you are difficult man... hehehe.  (edit.> *I don't feel offended in any way)
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I had been watching here for a long time, and when I decided to write something here, I already imagined that you could question me. And suddenly I took a risk. Not to create disagreement or a means to talk and exchange ideas about BTC, and yes, I hoped that it would not even have my post read. But that's not what happened... =]
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  I personally think this place here is very cool, it just needs to have a pool table, because a counter with an attendant selling beer and people sitting at the counter talking about BTC and a screen in the corner of the bar being updated the price of BTC every hour already has!! hehehe....,
  ...but I promise that I will now just come and have a beer and I will not say anything else.... because the people at this 'bar' here are mostly nice people and I hope I don't get into trouble with anyone here, and you can always come here to have a drink beer.. .  .   .      .    and who knows, maybe in the future play a pool....
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 .otherwise... Today is seven of September, full moon and some more things..

>>>> Have a good Sunday to all!!  
                                                     BTC To The Moon!!!
                                                                                   ,(Not To the RED MOON)

 It's happening tonight! 👇🏻

The total lunar eclipse will last 5 hours and 27 minutes, featuring a breathtaking 82 minutes of totality—when the Moon is completely engulfed in Earth’s shadow. During this time, it will glow in rich hues of deep red and copper, creating a stunning Blood Moon.  
  
✨ Where to look?

🟠 Africa & Europe – Full eclipse view as the Moon rises in the evening.
🔵 Asia & Australia – Visible late at night or early morning of Sept 8.
🌍 Pacific Islands – Excellent visibility across most of the region.
⚠️ Americas – Unfortunately, the Moon won’t rise during the eclipse here.

Adding to the wonder, the eclipse happens just 2.6 days before perigee—when the Moon is closest to Earth. That means it will appear slightly larger than usual

[ChartBuddy]

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[WatChe]

I am no more interested in small ups and down of Bitcoin nor I check Bitcoin price on daily basis. That's mainly because I am now very sure that it will hit 200k some day and I am waiting for that day. I have made few mistakes in the past but not anymore I will repeat that. 

i havent check prices daily for many many years now (except for occasional rips) and chartbuddy is on ignore (but its great to unhide it for the price context when needed).

youve seen how btc rolls. and you have and are continuing to hone a sense of balance of sell vs hodl and what priorities (shelter, power) are necessary for your familys health and well being.

looks like youre getting comfortable fitting right in to the btc life.

Once you develop confidence that Bitcoin will go up with time, it becomes irrelevant to check Bitcoin price on daily basis. 

Before getting into Bitcoin I tried many things like real estate broker, Stock market and freelancing to generate extra income. I have some luck in freelancing on fiverr.com but remaining two were a complete failure. I was a technical writer on fiverr.com and I got an order back in mid of 2017 to write about Bitcoin and that was my first encounter with Bitcoin.   

To me it's important to improve your life first and Bitcoin has helped me in fulfilling many of my requirements. I won't say that I have a big portfolio of Bitcoin but whatever I have, I am happy that I have used it effectively to comfort myself and my family. It's my personal opinion that saving something for later age is of no use, if it's done at the cost of compromising your present life style. It's also important to maintain a balance between your selling and saving. Don't sell just for luxuries but for necessities.

[ChartBuddy]

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[kellrobinson]

CEX shenanigans: Coinbase has 0.6% maker/1.2% taker fees on "Advanced", however it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a maker because there are no price spots available in the order book within a few %...i guess Coinbase traders fill them all and then say: "see, your order was a taker"..and zap you with a 1.2% fee.

If, alternatively, you try Coinbase one, which allegedly has no fees, then they claim that they still charge a spread fee, but then they say that the spread is much bigger than on advance (you can't use coinbase One on Advanced)...and your fee is STILL above 1%, effectively.

What a racket!

Disclaimer: I've never used coinbase, so I'm just speculating.

As I understand it, if your order is out of the money and isn't matching a standing orderbook entry (so it doesn't get filled), it goes on top of some existing (maker) order to increase the amount available at that price. So the pre-existing amount goes first, then yours. With maker fees.

Or do they have fixed slots with a maximum amount per slot? This doesn't seem reasonable.

Coinbase has post-only.  Select post only so your order doesn't get snatched up.  Post only means maker only.

[d_eddie]

CEX shenanigans: Coinbase has 0.6% maker/1.2% taker fees on "Advanced", however it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a maker because there are no price spots available in the order book within a few %...i guess Coinbase traders fill them all and then say: "see, your order was a taker"..and zap you with a 1.2% fee.

If, alternatively, you try Coinbase one, which allegedly has no fees, then they claim that they still charge a spread fee, but then they say that the spread is much bigger than on advance (you can't use coinbase One on Advanced)...and your fee is STILL above 1%, effectively.

What a racket!

Disclaimer: I've never used coinbase, so I'm just speculating.

As I understand it, if your order is out of the money and isn't matching a standing orderbook entry (so it doesn't get filled), it goes on top of some existing (maker) order to increase the amount available at that price. So the pre-existing amount goes first, then yours. With maker fees.

Or do they have fixed slots with a maximum amount per slot? This doesn't seem reasonable.

Coinbase has post-only.  Select post only so your order doesn't get snatched up.  Post only means maker only.

But typically, if the order price is such as to cause immediate execution, the order gets canceled immediately. That is: maker only, otherwise cancel.

[Hottiek]

 I for one am glad to see new (and new older lurkers) people chiming in... Again, don't worry about the AI bot or crochety old fooks (even if they have very well thought-out arguments). Just don't plagiarize, post links, and contribute meaningful input... and you should be ok here.
 
 I know I am preparing for the cycle top to be over, as MSTR did not get in. But there are so many more things looking up that I still believe that this cycle top is not in. The amount of money coming in. The hashpower. The current world events, and I think most importantly the tokenization of real-world assets, are becoming mainstream. And that is not even touching on the HUGE elephant in the room of the amount of money being invested in AI and how close we are to major breakthroughs in the simple fact that in time (faster than most think), it's coming to eat ALL OF OUR LUNCHES little by little or very fast. It's coming.

 It's also part of why I have such a changed outlook on our precious cornz. I dont claim to even know what I am talking bout, but a  lot of people that are smarter than me and have way more resources than me seem to think, "This is the way." You would be borderline retarded to not at least allocate some time to educate yourself on (I know, broken record) the greatest invention/asset/change we will ever see!
 
CCMF (foreva)
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[asUHWEceyc]

the summer game is
wear 'em out scare 'em out no
volatility

zap you with a 1.2% fee.

May as well just use ie PayPal XD or similar garbage, sans onerous AMLKYC taint scan blockchain entry requirements, for small amounts, no?

[ChartBuddy]

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[OutOfMemory]

got ill yesterday
holder of real BTC
brainfogged, not brainfucked

OutOfMemory
tries to get the fever down
bulls get the price up

don't blame it on me
if my haiku makes no sense
blame it on the flu

#haiku

[BTCETFInvestor]

JJG - Click on the above link - are you even digesting what you're telling others? You should be embarrassed and seek help!  


Damn, JJG - You are so onerously opposed to others making choices for themselves, it makes you look mentally flawed and a total jerk!  

You must have a mental problem called ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) with your frequent (often constant) and ongoing pattern of anger, irritability, arguing and defiance toward other people making their own personal choices and decisions. You simply cannot help yourself but for constantly interjecting this behavior disorder you have against most everyone's views and decisions.  I cannot imagine not being able to turn you Off...  

[Hottiek]

Damn, JJG - You are so onerously opposed to others making choices for themselves, it makes you look seriously flawed!  

You must have a mental problem that is called ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) with your frequent (often constant) and ongoing pattern of anger, irritability, arguing and defiance toward other people making their own personal choices and decisions. You simply cannot help yourself from constantly interjecting this behavior disorder you have against most everyone's views and decisions.  I cannot imagine not being able to turn you Off...  

 

In his defense, he did make an (extremely long) and well-thought-out response to one of my posts, so much so that I took his advice. I did not take any offense to it; in fact, quite the opposite. You continue to poke the bear when you don't need to... Please refer to the previous advice given... Unfortunately, it seems that I continue to talk to a wall rather than Observe them!!!
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[JayJuanGee]

CEX shenanigans: Coinbase has 0.6% maker/1.2% taker fees on "Advanced", however it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a maker because there are no price spots available in the order book within a few %...i guess Coinbase traders fill them all and then say: "see, your order was a taker"..and zap you with a 1.2% fee.

If, alternatively, you try Coinbase one, which allegedly has no fees, then they claim that they still charge a spread fee, but then they say that the spread is much bigger than on advance (you can't use coinbase One on Advanced)...and your fee is STILL above 1%, effectively.
What a racket!

Disclaimer: I've never used coinbase, so I'm just speculating.
As I understand it, if your order is out of the money and isn't matching a standing orderbook entry (so it doesn't get filled), it goes on top of some existing (maker) order to increase the amount available at that price. So the pre-existing amount goes first, then yours. With maker fees.

Or do they have fixed slots with a maximum amount per slot? This doesn't seem reasonable.

I get idea (and likely factual practice) of the abuse of the spread that these exchanges employ (and bigger ones like Coinbase can likely get away with it since so many people go to them by default), and likely part of the reason that Biodom cannot necessarily set maker orders close to the actual BTC price is because Coinbase is retaining a large spread and making money off of such spread.  So in that way it seems to me that Biodom is trying to use the maker as a kind of taker in the sense that he is trying to buy and/or sell BTC close to the spot price (or as close to the spot price as he is able to achieve it).

If makers are being used (and set) further away from BTC's actual spot price, then sure by definition, it might sometimes take a good deal of  time for them to fill because the BTC price has to move in their direction for them to fill, but it will tend to not be a big deal about the spread in those kinds of cases of the maker orders being further away from BTC's spot price because those maker orders largely end up getting filled in spite of the various spread manipulations that exchanges might be doing since these days no one exchange is setting BTC prices, and all exchanges tend to gravitate towards the overwhelming BTC spot price, even if there might be some exchanges that might have a bit more influence than another or for example, if some BIG ass orders play out on one exchange and not on other exchanges, then sure it might take a few minutes, or even maybe even an hour or so for BTC prices to return to some form of synchronization, yet in the olden days, going back to 2014, 2015, 2016 and even 2017, there tended to be way more disparities in exchange prices, yet it seems these days it is harder and harder for such disparities to take place, even though, as Biodom seems to be suggesting, exchanges can still be abusive within their own ecosphere in terms of the spread and some of the shorter-term BTC price dynamics.... yet they have a lot of difficulties getting away with such broader non-synchronization type plays in regards to BIGGER price swings.

About an hour after the original post, I Edited this post to clarify some language and largely added the second half of last paragraph through such editing.

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[Biodom]

CEX shenanigans: Coinbase has 0.6% maker/1.2% taker fees on "Advanced", however it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a maker because there are no price spots available in the order book within a few %...i guess Coinbase traders fill them all and then say: "see, your order was a taker"..and zap you with a 1.2% fee.

If, alternatively, you try Coinbase one, which allegedly has no fees, then they claim that they still charge a spread fee, but then they say that the spread is much bigger than on advance (you can't use coinbase One on Advanced)...and your fee is STILL above 1%, effectively.

What a racket!

Disclaimer: I've never used coinbase, so I'm just speculating.

As I understand it, if your order is out of the money and isn't matching a standing orderbook entry (so it doesn't get filled), it goes on top of some existing (maker) order to increase the amount available at that price. So the pre-existing amount goes first, then yours. With maker fees.

Or do they have fixed slots with a maximum amount per slot? This doesn't seem reasonable.

Maybe...but all i know is when i put in an order within 1% of the spot price (higher or lower than the current spot), it still showed me the fee corresponding to "taker", not "maker".
Maybe it is because they have "standing book entries" stretching up and down from the current spot price (with no gaps?).
In the end all I know is I am currently paying up to triple of the fees comparing to a few months before (used to be 30/40, now 60/120 aka 0.3%/0.4% vs 0.6%/1.2% now).
This is a fact.

[ChartBuddy]

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[OgNasty]

CEX shenanigans: Coinbase has 0.6% maker/1.2% taker fees on "Advanced", however it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a maker because there are no price spots available in the order book within a few %...i guess Coinbase traders fill them all and then say: "see, your order was a taker"..and zap you with a 1.2% fee.

If, alternatively, you try Coinbase one, which allegedly has no fees, then they claim that they still charge a spread fee, but then they say that the spread is much bigger than on advance (you can't use coinbase One on Advanced)...and your fee is STILL above 1%, effectively.

What a racket!

Disclaimer: I've never used coinbase, so I'm just speculating.

As I understand it, if your order is out of the money and isn't matching a standing orderbook entry (so it doesn't get filled), it goes on top of some existing (maker) order to increase the amount available at that price. So the pre-existing amount goes first, then yours. With maker fees.

Or do they have fixed slots with a maximum amount per slot? This doesn't seem reasonable.

Coinbase has post-only.  Select post only so your order doesn't get snatched up.  Post only means maker only.

But typically, if the order price is such as to cause immediate execution, the order gets canceled immediately. That is: maker only, otherwise cancel.

Post only with a 1% difference from the last trade is the only way to trade on Coinbase.  Otherwise, the fees are insane.  You may have to wait a bit for your order to be filled, but that's why you get the discounted rate.  I'm actually surprised that Coinbase is able to operate with the fees they do and maintain their market position.  It certainly won't last forever.  They basically prey on ignorance and average people not understanding how fees and moats work.  The amount of money wasted on unnecessary fees have literally made Coinbase billions of dollars...