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[OutOfMemory]

On a personal level, I am thinking that I would have not been able to achieve certain kinds of critical thinking skills (to the extent that I have them) and even job (income) prospects if I had not ended up going to school (including higher education).  

Schools are the most accessible place to sharpen our skills and find who we are and what we supposed to do.

But in these days, people started treating education as a form of investment too, they spend money and expect a job that pays enough to cover the money spent on it.  And fails to acquire why they are supposed to get the education which is to increase their knowledge and they can use that to make more money.

Education is still valuable and it will always be but people should approach it as how you did not like some ROI and also they should avoid paying money to education as much as possible because it is one of the trap that most students get stuck in and can't pursure their goal just need to work something just to pay off their loans.

Fair point, but again, regarding the meme and its implicated meaning(s), the (perceived) message up front is "Bitcoin does better than the school system".

EDIT: Don't forget, a meme is usually not about the content, but about the context.

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what isthis Buddy?  

"fuck school? buy bitcoin?/ fuck buy? school bitcoin?/ fuck bitcoin? buy school?/ buy fuck? bitcoin school?"
ow Buddy, i sell on 114 to rebuy on 112500, but no, 116 is there... Could you go back a little before passing 116? Not? why? Will it go straight through? you are awesome dear BUDDY!!! hehehe!!! wait a minute.... it comes back at least in 113500 that I rebuy everything, and let's go to 130 then... Uh? after 116 pass? But if it doesn't go beyond 116? Are you going back? hmmm , because I was thinking of buying if passed 116 for us to go along, I still didn't want to stay here alone waiting for you to come back BUDDY!!.... hehehee!!! Here's a toast!!

[philipma1957]

this is a lot like the 60's when the extremists on both sides were doing killings and bombings left and right.

and the worst part was far too little people pointed this out .


Most picked their side and blamed the other.

We are headed for a lot of political unrest because people want to win and simply think they are good and other side is bad.

Can't they see they're being played like bagpipes, blown and squeezed until an awful noise is created?

This false dichotomy, right-wing versus left-wing, was created precisely to divide and conquer.

They can't if they could the current world politics would be far closer to centrist thought which is a shame as it is when the world works best.

[philipma1957]

I have to assume he is dead. The far left need reigning in, they are violent and unhinged. Something has to be done.

Why is it always "left" or "right" people - a life was taken why can't we just condemn violence in any form when it is completely unprovoked..

In all fairness, it isn’t always left or right, it is usually just the left… At least lately. They have definitely become the party of hate, violence, and crime. If that isn’t blatantly obvious to you from this week’s actions, you have blinders on. Calling out democrats for the behavior they incite is absolutely the right thing to do.

Don't let any actual facts get in the way of your analysis spin.

Like these facts?
"All Cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology"

https://imgur.com/a/5DAhhvt - if image isn't loading

The point that I was making to criticize OgNasty was a bit broader, since he was proclaiming that almost all hate, violence and crime was coming from the left.

Surely in the Kirk shooting case there seems to be fairly strong evidence that the shooting was motivated by political differences of opinion, and so yeah, if the bullets are engraved then it becomes less ambiguous that the political motivations were intended to be known.

I think that the kinds of facts that I was suggesting OgNasty to be leaving out relates to evidence of hate, violence and/or crime that comes from right wing rather than left wing ideology.  From my perspective OgNasty is so obvious in his own ways of seeing the world and presenting the issue that there is hardly any need to counter it, except just to point out that he is making outrageous claims and failing/refusing to provide evidence for his outrageous claims (or to to rebutt the counter-evidence).

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BTW Trump tariffs will make  thousands of dollars for me this year.

Copper cat 5e went from 50 cents a pound to 1.15 a pound and I have over 5 tons of it.

Your lucky break Phil. 

Now do the exercise of having had bought bitcoin with the money that you had used to buy that copper.  Where would you be?

Did you remember to subtract your costs from your profits?  Cost of storage and moving that stuff around? and the liquidity?  Buying it yourself and then finding sellers. 

Sure, maybe you are doing a service to the copper market, but still.  I bet bitcoin would have had been better, and I think that you had already given the dates that you got the copper  (was it 2022 that you got the copper?  or is that just my imagination?).. but I am a bit lazy to research back into your earlier posts on the topic..

and cpi went up 0.4%

"Google
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The U.S. Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose by 0.4% in August, and the annual inflation rate was 2.9% for the 12 months ending in August. This annual increase is the largest seen since January. The "core" CPI, which excludes volatile food and energy prices, increased by 0.3% for the month and was up 3.1% over the past year. "

guess the copper tariffs of 50% are hurting the CPI. but not me.
and that is how I resolve my conflicts not by blaming orange man or the soon to be Mayor of NYC:
 Zohran Mamdani

I suppose in the end if you feel better about what you are doing and how you are "not affected" then that is the main thing. You could have had done worse by staying in the dollar, but instead you got into copper, but not bitcoin.

I see opportunity costs in your explanation of your choices, but apparently, you felt that you needed to have a more tangible diversification away from the dollar and also away from bitcoin.

this is a lot like the 60's when the extremists on both sides were doing killings and bombings left and right.
and the worst part was far too little people pointed this out .

Most picked their side and blamed the other.
We are headed for a lot of political unrest because people want to win and simply think they are good and other side is bad.

Can't they see they're being played like bagpipes, blown and squeezed until an awful noise is created?

This false dichotomy, right-wing versus left-wing, was created precisely to divide and conquer.

Many of us get played, and we are not always aware of how much we are being played.  It takes a long time to build up critical thinking skills, and sure some folks have better foundations than others, yet even the critical thinkers can sometimes get sucked into a bit of a trap.  I know that I have been tricked a lot of times in my life, and it is not easy, even if we might realize that we are being tricked.. there are also certain modern conveniences that many of us do not want to give up, including but not limited to yours truly.

When I scrolling, I find this.  

Someone posted this here before…
Here’s my response once again: “it’s a dumb statement, you can archive both”  i.e go to school and still ‘buy bitcoin’ it doesn’t affect any...

Surely it is good to work on your learning and your ability to learn, and surely there are criticisms of what some schools are teaching, so sometimes it can seem challenging to break through and to become a life long learner, whether through school or through other ways.

On a personal level, I am thinking that I would have not been able to achieve certain kinds of critical thinking skills (to the extent that I have them) and even job (income) prospects if I had not ended up going to school (including higher education). 

By the way, when I first graduated from high school, I thought that I really did not like school and/or the authority figures of teachers, and because of that, I had initially considered that college was not for me, so it took me a few years of trying forms of self-learning and really going a bit all over the place, before I honed on college course work as being a way to help me to be able to better help myself.  There could have had been some short-cuts, but higher learning really was not considered to be a practical route (at least in the earliest of my years and my upbringing).  Blame my parents... hahahahahaha

I purchased that copper wire for 2500 it will sell for 10,000 so 4x my money.

Btc was at 60k maybe 55k. So 2x my money.


BTW same goes for the silver I am selling at the best price on the planet.


Most of your insulting questioning of my lack of not have 10s of btc is directed at the wrong time frame.


I estimate if I date from 2017 to now I could I uld be plus 400k. With dca moves that were affordable. I AM PLUS 200K IN THAT TIME FRAME. But I am well postioned to mine a lot more at good profits .


My errors were made from 2012 to 2017 when I did p2p and treated btc like money.

I easy easy could have had 30 plus coins when it hit 19000 in 2017 I had 2-3 that loss won't be made up.

I do not have issues for what I have done since 2017 .

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Buddy is moving upmand holding.

The 115.5k looks nice.

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[JayJuanGee]

On a personal level, I am thinking that I would have not been able to achieve certain kinds of critical thinking skills (to the extent that I have them) and even job (income) prospects if I had not ended up going to school (including higher education). 

Schools are the most accessible place to sharpen our skills and find who we are and what we supposed to do.

But in these days, people started treating education as a form of investment too, they spend money and expect a job that pays enough to cover the money spent on it.  And fails to acquire why they are supposed to get the education which is to increase their knowledge and they can use that to make more money.

Education is still valuable and it will always be but people should approach it as how you did not like some ROI and also they should avoid paying money to education as much as possible because it is one of the trap that most students get stuck in and can't pursure their goal just need to work something just to pay off their loans.

I doubt that we can blame students for wanting to get ahead, even though the whole cost of higher education (especially in the USA) has become outrageously fueled by debt and so then screwing up various incentives.  I was a bit delayed in going to college, but I still ended up having a combination of loans and grants, and overall my college debt was reasonable, but yeah that was mostly all accomplished more than 25 years ago, so the costs have gotten even more crazy in terms of higher education being one of the areas that had been going up way higher than the cost of living, and then the government issues debt (and subsidies) and the universities seem to raise their prices based on how much subsidies the government has been getting.  I am not against education, and I think if we are individually figuring out our potential for cost benefits, we are considering the costs and sometimes maybe not being very sure about the marketability of any field that we might be choosing to pursue.

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what isthis Buddy?  
"fuck school? buy bitcoin?/ fuck buy? school bitcoin?/ fuck bitcoin? buy school?/ buy fuck? bitcoin school?"
ow Buddy, i sell on 114 to rebuy on 112500, but no, 116 is there... Could you go back a little before passing 116? Not? why? Will it go straight through? you are awesome dear BUDDY!!! hehehe!!! wait a minute.... it comes back at least in 113500 that I rebuy everything, and let's go to 130 then... Uh? after 116 pass? But if it doesn't go beyond 116? Are you going back? hmmm , because I was thinking of buying if passed 116 for us to go along, I still didn't want to stay here alone waiting for you to come back BUDDY!!.... hehehee!!! Here's a toast!!

Surely that is part of the problem in regards to selling and expecting to buy back cheaper.

You may end up with way fewer coins than you could have had if you had stayed focused on accumulating through buying only.

Once you get to an over-accumulation status, then sure you can sell some coins, but not necessarily with expectations of buying back cheaper.

We've seen it over and over and over in this thread... and guys doubling down and tripling down and the price keeps going up instead of their hope for down.. and then down doesn't come until later and at much higher prices, and then pretty soon we don't see those guys around here  any more.

We have amongst the best, if not the best place to put value and accumulate it, and you want to try to be smart and trade it?  Go figure.

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I purchased that copper wire for 2500 it will sell for 10,000 so 4x my money.
Btc was at 60k maybe 55k. So 2x my money.

Ok.. fair enough. I thought that you gave a 2022 date earlier.. .. even though surely we know that you were sitting on a lot of cash in 2022.

In the end, it is your deal, but you are describing it and even seeming to brag about some of these trades, so you put trading and also shitcoining (silver, copper, etc) as compared with bitcoin investing into question.

BTW same goes for the silver I am selling at the best price on the planet.

Yeah.. silver another burden... and if you are wanting to concentrate on your supposed improvement since 2017, you likely are barking up the wrong tree since you could have had done quite well if you started concentrating on bitcoin accumulation since 2019 rather than the various inferior investments that you mention from time to time.  You probably could have gotten close to 30 BTC from 2017 to present.  I don't necessarily want to know the specifics of your actual holdings except you are mentioning actual numbers (or invented numbers,.. either way.. we don't need to use actual numbers). .

Most of your insulting questioning of my lack of not have 10s of btc is directed at the wrong time frame.

The purpose of my various questions is not meant to insult, but instead talk about and respond to substantive ideas that you are bringing up from time to time.

I estimate if I date from 2017 to now I could I uld be plus 400k. With dca moves that were affordable. I AM PLUS 200K IN THAT TIME FRAME. But I am well postioned to mine a lot more at good profits .

Yeah.. perhaps the mining had done good.. and had some good periods.  It seems quite complicated to figure out the numbers...

My errors were made from 2012 to 2017 when I did p2p and treated btc like money.
I easy easy could have had 30 plus coins when it hit 19000 in 2017 I had 2-3 that loss won't be made up.

I do not have issues for what I have done since 2017 .

I don't want to make this personal, but even if you started to get serious about accumulating bitcoin in mid-2018, then that likely would have had been better than trading.. or maybe even mining.. but yeah you had business partners in the mining portion until just recently, so I understand that sometimes there can be difficulties to figure out times to break those relations, which you ended up doing in the last 2-3 years..

You don't need to respond further with your particulars... but we could outline some hypotheticals or even discuss some of the underlying substantive matters without getting so personal.  You inject personal information that then puts your claims into question.. Maybe you should not be sharing so much information, since I think guys should be able to ask questions about the substance of any of the posts of other guys, but sometimes guys don't bring up certain details... . but if you bring up certain details then they become relevant and fair game for other guys to ask about.

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Surely that is part of the problem in regards to selling and expecting to buy back cheaper.

You may end up with way fewer coins than you could have had if you had stayed focused on accumulating through buying only.

Once you get to an over-accumulation status, then sure you can sell some coins, but not necessarily with expectations of buying back cheaper.

We've seen it over and over and over in this thread... and guys doubling down and tripling down and the price keeps going up instead of their hope for down.. and then down doesn't come until later and at much higher prices, and then pretty soon we don't see those guys around here  any more.

We have amongst the best, if not the best place to put value and accumulate it, and you want to try to be smart and trade it?  Go figure.

Oh, do you remember a while ago I said 116 was the target?, so I expected it to take a little longer and not be that fast... And so earlier today I risked selling my ammunition with the intention of buying more ammunition, so that when the target arrived, I would have more ammunition to hit him, I quickly had this option at 113500, but I didn't want to take advantage of it, I went to work, and I thought that as soon as I came back I could pay about 113,.. 112..... and after an hour on the job, I looked at the price and it was already at 114,500, good.... I believe you understood the part that I have a small capital exclusively to do this, and whenever it exceeds about 100USD, I buy in BTC and keep it, and I don't move them anymore... This is my strategy, besides being my fun man my friend.
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...I could also tell a sad story here, and how my day to day is that even if I had money to buy little by little regardless of the price,, governments are increasingly closing the siege, when I need to sell, I sell P2P, and more 5~10% fees, and to buy P2P more %%% above the market still....
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So my strategy of having capital from which I can extract some milk from it over time and buy it, for me personally it is gratifying,...
I am missing 180USD for me to return the original value of my capital., I am happy, and also I do not make full use of it, only partial, and so I buy at lower prices when I can take a decrease, in the case of those I sold today,, I had bought at 110, 112, 108....,And if every day I manage to make a purchase and a sale, my fun is guaranteed, and for me to be having fun, I need to see the price every day.

but sometimes I need to work outside my city, where I also had problems, last year, before traveling, I left a good amount sold in 65k, and during the week I observed the price between 55, 60, and I could not buy and when the weekend came, and I returned, the price did not wait for me,..quickly passed 70k, these are the problems of those who sell to buy back cheaper, always lose the train., but as this capital is destined only for this strategy, I don't see a problem., as long as I don't stop....Although it is tiring and a lot, I like it...

-I can also tell you that the biggest losses I had were renting money at the broker, or renting BTC.... hmmm I don't recommend that to anyone..... I had great gains renting..., my biggest losses, was also renting, so I don't make this mistake anymore.... and I miss BitMEX when it didn't require KYC.....

and so I have planned to only do trade wallet to wallet, I have not yet downloaded a 'DAO' wallet, but that would be my intention, since an omni usdt, I am afraid of having the funds blocked, and it is also very tiring to check address and the fees for btc are always the saltiest.... exch was free, I haven't found another one like exch, so doing trade wallet to wallet, I'm going to decrease the frequency and things will have to be well thought out before taking a descent. So, it means that I don't intend to stop with this strategy of mine.

And also, I have never been and I will never be mad at you, for always questioning this strategy of mine. if not, I wouldn't even be here answering you, I'll answer when I can... since 'Buddy never answers me    hehehe....

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That's what happened to me when I sold it in 114, I thought everything would be fine, but....
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[OgNasty]

Feels like the market shifted gears a bit and decided it’s time to head back up. I’m guessing in anticipation of a positive interest rate decision (lowering rates). Sort of makes me wonder if we’re going to see a sell the news event as a result. In any event, I’m glad we’re seeing the price go up and if gold and silver are any indicator, we’ll be in new high territory before too much longer.

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[fillippone]

Feels like the market shifted gears a bit and decided it’s time to head back up. I’m guessing in anticipation of a positive interest rate decision (lowering rates). Sort of makes me wonder if we’re going to see a sell the news event as a result. In any event, I’m glad we’re seeing the price go up and if gold and silver are any indicator, we’ll be in new high territory before too much longer.

Bitcoin is doing bitcoin things.
First, all the negativity.
Now, with 25 bps priced in, I see the FED decision as a sell-the-news event, unless JalwayslatePowell delivers something more: 50 bps cut or more: knee-jerk reaction buy.
I never thought the Central Bankster would play a direct role in the bitcoin price, but I guess it's temporary.