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[Hueristic]

{ Lots of words I ain't gonna read }

Must be something good in there so have a merit.

[Hueristic]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.

It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.

•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

[JayJuanGee]

I have to assume he is dead. The far left need reigning in, they are violent and unhinged. Something has to be done.

Why is it always "left" or "right" people - a life was taken why can't we just condemn violence in any form when it is completely unprovoked..

In all fairness, it isn’t always left or right, it is usually just the left… At least lately. They have definitely become the party of hate, violence, and crime. If that isn’t blatantly obvious to you from this week’s actions, you have blinders on. Calling out democrats for the behavior they incite is absolutely the right thing to do.

Don't let any actual facts get in the way of your analysis spin.

Like these facts?
"All Cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology"

https://imgur.com/a/5DAhhvt - if image isn't loading

The point that I was making to criticize OgNasty was a bit broader, since he was proclaiming that almost all hate, violence and crime was coming from the left.
Surely in the Kirk shooting case there seems to be fairly strong evidence that the shooting was motivated by political differences of opinion, and so yeah, if the bullets are engraved then it becomes less ambiguous that the political motivations were intended to be known.

I think that the kinds of facts that I was suggesting OgNasty to be leaving out relates to evidence of hate, violence and/or crime that comes from right wing rather than left wing ideology.  From my perspective OgNasty is so obvious in his own ways of seeing the world and presenting the issue that there is hardly any need to counter it, except just to point out that he is making outrageous claims and failing/refusing to provide evidence for his outrageous claims (or to to rebutt the counter-evidence).

I understand and misinterpreted your comment as only pertaining to this incident. I have no argument against there being hate spewed from both sides.

Though, I will somewhat agree with OgNasty due to personal experiences living in both very blue and very red states. In the conservative areas, I have heard a lot of disgust with the more liberal lifestyles, especially pertaining to what goes on in schools curriculum now a days (i.e. the essentially pornographic materials in books/curriculums, trannies brought into schools for whatever reason, "sex ed" teaching gay/trans ideology, etc). They basically say if that's what you want to do, do it somewhere else. We don't want that here.

In the overwhelmingly liberal city I lived in, there was, essentially, this inherent hate for the conservatives and their lifestyle. I would try and probe them, wanting to understand where this vitriol, this anger spawned from, but there was never a rationale given. It was like arguing with a woman when she "feels" a certain way, and thus justifies her completely illogical thinking (I'm assuming any guy reading this with a gf/wife can relate, haha). They had this mindset that "right is bad, we need to destroy it so everyone can be happy" (no, the hypocrisy of this type of statement is not lost on me). Why? Just because. Or, "they want to destroy us, we have to destroy them first"... how do you know they want to destroy you? "It is obvious, they just do!"

Yes, some more extreme conservatives would say similar things, I don't deny that. The glaring difference between the two is the amount of people with that mindset in each group. It was as though there was an inverse correlation between the two; A small minority of the right vs the vast majority of the left.

Even now I still don't understand why they feel that way, it is quite interesting from a psychological perspective.

What I am more nervous (for lack of a better word) about is escalation from both sides due to this incident. The, divide and conquer the masses so no one focuses on gov anymore, being pushed so hard that it leads to the detriment of us all in the US. It makes me think of this poem (is it a poem?) and where we will be if/after this happens:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12279767-the-most-terrifying-force-of-death-comes-from-the-hands

You have given more explanation than OgNasty gave, yet OgNasty was not describing the substantive matters, and I was largely criticizing him for blanketedly proclaiming that the left is more responsible for "hate, violence, and crime."   He was actually spinning it as if the left were exclusively responsible for hate, violence, and crime. It might have had been better to see some nuance, yet OgNasty seems nearly incapable of nuance, since he doubled down on the ide that black and white thinking is sometimes preferable, as if we were talking about math rather than sociological phenomena.

I am not even claiming to personally know the answers besides maybe coming back to bitcoin potentially helping with some monetary matters.  I would not even claim to know if bitcoin can fix all of these kinds of things that relate to societal structures and the various inequalities, since bitcoin does not seems to bring about equal outcomes, even though if monetary systems become based on more objective values, such as bitcoin (that cannot be as easily manipulated), then normal people might be able to at least focus on being able to save and store value in an asset/currency that is not being debased.

#Bitcoin vs gold performance over the last 10 years  
Gold: 226%  
BTC: 48,927%

source: x

The chart shows how much the price of Bitcoin and gold has increased in the last ten years. This clearly shows that Bitcoin has increased by twice as much as gold. This chart proves once again that with patient, long-term much investment, more profits can be expected from Bitcoin than from gold in the future.

Try gold nov 2021 to now
Vs
Btc Nov 2021 to now

Gold did 1750-1825  and is now 3660 pretty much 2x
Btc was 69k and in now 115k pretty much 1.6667

So rather than going backwards to compare make a 4 year future guess.
Over next 4 years who wins.
My guess is btc

You are being pretty conservative with your numbers phil.  You picked the exact 2021 top for bitcoin and then you want to measure and compare from that 2021 top and you suggest that longer terms are not relevant.

The reality is that bitcoin did around 200x better than gold in the past 10 years, and yeah bitcoin has the unfair advantage of being early in its adoption curve, yet bitcoin's early adoption phase is what we continue to have in front of us, so we should deal with the actual facts and try to not be overly selective with our data.

On the other hand, at least you came to the correct conclusion that bitcoin is likely going to continue to outperform gold, especially in longer term time frames... which means that bitcoin is likely going to continue to have up and down volatility that is greater than gold's volatility,  so because of bitcoin's greater short-term volatility, there may well continue to appear periods in which gold seems to be outperforming bitcoin... yet we should not let the short-term noise distract us from our knowledge that bitcoin is a much superior product to gold, perhaps in the ballpark of 1,000x better, even though it could take a while (perhaps 50-200 years) for bitcoin's 1,000x superiority to gold to play out in relation to bitcoin's price relative to gold's price.

Aha, I guess it's not BIP-39 compatible then.

It is. Always has been.
The seed without the passphrase leads to a wallet (call it Wallet A). Adding the passphrase to the (same) seed leads to another wallet (call it Wallet B). Wallets A and B are cryptographically independent, and there is no way to get to one from the other. Any other passphrase you add to the (same) seed leads to Wallet C, D, E, etc. This can be used for plausible deniability (for more details, see my relevant article here).

So, Wallet A can be empty (or have a small amount, say, 1 BTC, as a decoy, for $5 wrench attacks), and at the same time Wallet B can have the bulk of your stash (say, 100 BTC). This setup can be used for plausible deniability (you disclose the seed, but not the passphrase).
All this is part of BIP-39, and is compatible with all BIP-39 wallets (Trezor, Ledger, etc.).

One thing worth noting is that if your standard wallet is breached, then as soon as possible you would want to move your coins from your hidden wallet, since there are likely ways that the hidden wallets could end up being brute forced, especially once the seed words are know, so then if the password is easy, then it might be guessed (especially using the help of a computer).

{ Lots of words I ain't gonna read }

Must be something good in there so have a merit.

Thanks.  There might be a horse in there, since my post is rare and uniquely written - even though perhaps repetitive of ideas from my earlier ideas in life and my earlier posts.

Nonetheless, I wrote the post all by my lil self without the assistance of a bot (besides myself).

[philipma1957]

#Bitcoin vs gold performance over the last 10 years  

Gold: 226%  
BTC: 48,927%


source: x

The chart shows how much the price of Bitcoin and gold has increased in the last ten years. This clearly shows that Bitcoin has increased by twice as much as gold. This chart proves once again that with patient, long-term much investment, more profits can be expected from Bitcoin than from gold in the future.

Try gold nov 2021 to now

Vs

Btc Nov 2021 to now

Gold did 1750-1825  and is now 3660 pretty much 2x

Btc was 69k and in now 115k pretty much 1.6667


So rather than going backwards to compare make a 4 year future guess.

Over next 4 years who wins.

My guess is btc

I think this comparison is very useful to know so i don't argue without real calculation.

From November 2021 till today, 12th September 2025, Gold has about  101.40% growth in price.

From November 2021 till today 12th September 2025, BTC has about 103.30% growth in price.

BTC still wins even in the future.

btc was 61k to 69k in nov 2021

btc is 115.9 k as I type.

so your math is wrong.as 115.9/69 = 1.679 which is a 67.9% gain

and if you pick 115.9/61=1.9  a 90% gain.


so correct your error.

the reality is any day of nov 2021 gold beats BTC gains

when using todays prices.


and while we are at it.  btc was 10,000 for 2 pizzas which is under 1 cent a btc.

so why not compare from that day.


Back to what counts what does btc do vs gold for the next 4 years.

does it lose
or does it win.

[Churchillvv]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.

It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

Opinions he couldn’t stand led to wrath and not being able to communicate that with anyone!
Watched a debate he had with Charlie and his anger was obvious.

[philipma1957]

I have to assume he is dead. The far left need reigning in, they are violent and unhinged. Something has to be done.

Why is it always "left" or "right" people - a life was taken why can't we just condemn violence in any form when it is completely unprovoked..

In all fairness, it isn’t always left or right, it is usually just the left… At least lately. They have definitely become the party of hate, violence, and crime. If that isn’t blatantly obvious to you from this week’s actions, you have blinders on. Calling out democrats for the behavior they incite is absolutely the right thing to do.

Don't let any actual facts get in the way of your analysis spin.

Like these facts?
"All Cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology"

https://imgur.com/a/5DAhhvt - if image isn't loading

The point that I was making to criticize OgNasty was a bit broader, since he was proclaiming that almost all hate, violence and crime was coming from the left.
Surely in the Kirk shooting case there seems to be fairly strong evidence that the shooting was motivated by political differences of opinion, and so yeah, if the bullets are engraved then it becomes less ambiguous that the political motivations were intended to be known.

I think that the kinds of facts that I was suggesting OgNasty to be leaving out relates to evidence of hate, violence and/or crime that comes from right wing rather than left wing ideology.  From my perspective OgNasty is so obvious in his own ways of seeing the world and presenting the issue that there is hardly any need to counter it, except just to point out that he is making outrageous claims and failing/refusing to provide evidence for his outrageous claims (or to to rebutt the counter-evidence).

I understand and misinterpreted your comment as only pertaining to this incident. I have no argument against there being hate spewed from both sides.

Though, I will somewhat agree with OgNasty due to personal experiences living in both very blue and very red states. In the conservative areas, I have heard a lot of disgust with the more liberal lifestyles, especially pertaining to what goes on in schools curriculum now a days (i.e. the essentially pornographic materials in books/curriculums, trannies brought into schools for whatever reason, "sex ed" teaching gay/trans ideology, etc). They basically say if that's what you want to do, do it somewhere else. We don't want that here.

In the overwhelmingly liberal city I lived in, there was, essentially, this inherent hate for the conservatives and their lifestyle. I would try and probe them, wanting to understand where this vitriol, this anger spawned from, but there was never a rationale given. It was like arguing with a woman when she "feels" a certain way, and thus justifies her completely illogical thinking (I'm assuming any guy reading this with a gf/wife can relate, haha). They had this mindset that "right is bad, we need to destroy it so everyone can be happy" (no, the hypocrisy of this type of statement is not lost on me). Why? Just because. Or, "they want to destroy us, we have to destroy them first"... how do you know they want to destroy you? "It is obvious, they just do!"

Yes, some more extreme conservatives would say similar things, I don't deny that. The glaring difference between the two is the amount of people with that mindset in each group. It was as though there was an inverse correlation between the two; A small minority of the right vs the vast majority of the left.

Even now I still don't understand why they feel that way, it is quite interesting from a psychological perspective.

What I am more nervous (for lack of a better word) about is escalation from both sides due to this incident. The, divide and conquer the masses so no one focuses on gov anymore, being pushed so hard that it leads to the detriment of us all in the US. It makes me think of this poem (is it a poem?) and where we will be if/after this happens:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12279767-the-most-terrifying-force-of-death-comes-from-the-hands

You have given more explanation than OgNasty gave, yet OgNasty was not describing the substantive matters, and I was largely criticizing him for blanketedly proclaiming that the left is more responsible for "hate, violence, and crime."   He was actually spinning it as if the left were exclusively responsible for hate, violence, and crime. It might have had been better to see some nuance, yet OgNasty seems nearly incapable of nuance, since he doubled down on the ide that black and white thinking is sometimes preferable, as if we were talking about math rather than sociological phenomena.

I am not even claiming to personally know the answers besides maybe coming back to bitcoin potentially helping with some monetary matters.  I would not even claim to know if bitcoin can fix all of these kinds of things that relate to societal structures and the various inequalities, since bitcoin does not seems to bring about equal outcomes, even though if monetary systems become based on more objective values, such as bitcoin (that cannot be as easily manipulated), then normal people might be able to at least focus on being able to save and store value in an asset/currency that is not being debased.

#Bitcoin vs gold performance over the last 10 years  
Gold: 226%  
BTC: 48,927%

source: x

The chart shows how much the price of Bitcoin and gold has increased in the last ten years. This clearly shows that Bitcoin has increased by twice as much as gold. This chart proves once again that with patient, long-term much investment, more profits can be expected from Bitcoin than from gold in the future.

Try gold nov 2021 to now
Vs
Btc Nov 2021 to now

Gold did 1750-1825  and is now 3660 pretty much 2x
Btc was 69k and in now 115k pretty much 1.6667

So rather than going backwards to compare make a 4 year future guess.
Over next 4 years who wins.
My guess is btc

You are being pretty conservative with your numbers phil.  You picked the exact 2021 top for bitcoin and then you want to measure and compare from that 2021 top and you suggest that longer terms are not relevant.

The reality is that bitcoin did around 200x better than gold in the past 10 years, and yeah bitcoin has the unfair advantage of being early in its adoption curve, yet bitcoin's early adoption phase is what we continue to have in front of us, so we should deal with the actual facts and try to not be overly selective with our data.

On the other hand, at least you came to the correct conclusion that bitcoin is likely going to continue to outperform gold, especially in longer term time frames... which means that bitcoin is likely going to continue to have up and down volatility that is greater than gold's volatility,  so because of bitcoin's greater short-term volatility, there may well continue to appear periods in which gold seems to be outperforming bitcoin... yet we should not let the short-term noise distract us from our knowledge that bitcoin is a much superior product to gold, perhaps in the ballpark of 1,000x better, even though it could take a while (perhaps 50-200 years) for bitcoin's 1,000x superiority to gold to play out in relation to bitcoin's price relative to gold's price.

Aha, I guess it's not BIP-39 compatible then.

It is. Always has been.
The seed without the passphrase leads to a wallet (call it Wallet A). Adding the passphrase to the (same) seed leads to another wallet (call it Wallet B). Wallets A and B are cryptographically independent, and there is no way to get to one from the other. Any other passphrase you add to the (same) seed leads to Wallet C, D, E, etc. This can be used for plausible deniability (for more details, see my relevant article here).

So, Wallet A can be empty (or have a small amount, say, 1 BTC, as a decoy, for $5 wrench attacks), and at the same time Wallet B can have the bulk of your stash (say, 100 BTC). This setup can be used for plausible deniability (you disclose the seed, but not the passphrase).
All this is part of BIP-39, and is compatible with all BIP-39 wallets (Trezor, Ledger, etc.).

One thing worth noting is that if your standard wallet is breached, then as soon as possible you would want to move your coins from your hidden wallet, since there are likely ways that the hidden wallets could end up being brute forced, especially once the seed words are know, so then if the password is easy, then it might be guessed (especially using the help of a computer).

{ Lots of words I ain't gonna read }

Must be something good in there so have a merit.

Thanks.  There might be horse in there, since it is rare and unique - even though perhaps repetitive of ideas from my earlier posts.

Nonetheless, I wrote it myself without the assistance of a bot (besides myself).

well duh my entire point is cherry picking is stupid as fuck.

and that the next four years matter more then the past years.

btw at 10000 btc for 2 pizzas he could use that comparison and look much better

it was from more that 10 years ago but if we must cherry pick that one is better than the one picked.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[Johnlomape]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.

It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.

•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

I am glad he was arrested as soon as possible before the police will go after other people looking like suspect.

This was a political influenced assassination and the culprit would have been brainwashed and promised to get a huge  paycheck.

He need to be investigated thoroughly so he doesn't coverup the initiator of the assassination so everyone involved can be brought to book.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[BTCETFInvestor]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.

It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.

•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

I am glad he was arrested as soon as possible before the police will go after other people looking like suspect.

This was a political influenced assassination and the culprit would have been brainwashed and promised to get a huge  paycheck.

He need to be investigated thoroughly so he doesn't coverup the initiator of the assassination so everyone involved can be brought to book.

FBI and police are quiet sure accused assassin Tyler Robinson, aged 22 of Utah, acted alone - yet he was clearly influenced by his opposition to conservative views.

[Johnlomape]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.

It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.

•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

I am glad he was arrested as soon as possible before the police will go after other people looking like suspect.

This was a political influenced assassination and the culprit would have been brainwashed and promised to get a huge  paycheck.

He need to be investigated thoroughly so he doesn't coverup the initiator of the assassination so everyone involved can be brought to book.

FBI and police are quiet sure accused assassin Tyler Robinson, aged 22 of Utah, acted alone - yet he was clearly influenced by his opposition to conservative views.

Oh they want to tell the media that he acted alone when it's crystal clear that someone must have triggered this juvenile conduct?

I will keep a deaf ear to some of the investigations they will come up with to hide the truth. What has Charlie Kirk done to the 22 years old boy to ever think of pulling a trigger? This was well planned and it's unfortunate that Kirk is no more with us in this evil planet.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[Johnlomape]

Try gold nov 2021 to now

Vs

Btc Nov 2021 to now

Gold did 1750-1825  and is now 3660 pretty much 2x

Btc was 69k and in now 115k pretty much 1.6667


So rather than going backwards to compare make a 4 year future guess.

Over next 4 years who wins.

My guess is btc

I think this comparison is very useful to know so i don't argue without real calculation.

From November 2021 till today, 12th September 2025, Gold has about  101.40% growth in price.

From November 2021 till today 12th September 2025, BTC has about 103.30% growth in price.

BTC still wins even in the future.

btc was 61k to 69k in nov 2021

btc is 115.9 k as I type.

so your math is wrong.as 115.9/69 = 1.679 which is a 67.9% gain

and if you pick 115.9/61=1.9  a 90% gain.


so correct your error.

the reality is any day of nov 2021 gold beats BTC gains

when using todays prices.


and while we are at it.  btc was 10,000 for 2 pizzas which is under 1 cent a btc.

so why not compare from that day.


Back to what counts what does btc do vs gold for the next 4 years.

does it lose
or does it win.

Hi Philipma1957,

You can check this to trace the past price of Bitcoin in November 2021



This should be well informative and you can check the closing price if you don't mind.

I may be wrong and I am ready to fix the error ASAP if so.

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out]

well duh my entire point is cherry picking is stupid as fuck.

Perhaps the irony was lost upon me?

and that the next four years matter more then the past years.

I will agree that past performance does not equal future results, yet bitcoin's trend versus gold's trend can help to inform us regarding what is happening between bitcoin and gold.

It seems to me that bitcoin continues to eat gold's lunch, yet part of that conclusion is reached by not only attempting to consider what each is offering, yet by looking at past performance.  Gold is not as good of a money as bitcoin, yet it still is taking some time for some of the institutions and governments to see the writing on the wall.

btw at 10000 btc for 2 pizzas he could use that comparison and look much better

I understand that the history is overly favorable to bitcoin based on some of its early days of not having a price, and so in that regard, it is truly the case that returns are going to diminish for bitcoin in the future as compared to the past, including that the earlier that any of us was in bitcoin then the greater the returns if we had held most of our bitcoin through that period.

At the same time, we cannot act like the past does not exist.

We also cannot act like bitcoin is even close to being a mature asset class.

Bitcoin is still in early days and still disadvantaged by being in early adoption phase, especially relative to gold.  

Bitcoin is both better than gold but also in a different phase of its cycle, which is likely growth, while gold is diminishing in influence due to some of its own limitation, including but not limited to the burdensomeness of its physicality.  Maybe we might come across some kind of Armageddon where physicality becomes more relevant, yet that does not take away from our current reality in which gold has already been beaten to the ground and even paper-ized, so sure there could be a revaluation of gold that would then drive physical  gold back up, yet those kinds of scenarios seem to be quite unlikely and we may well differ in our opinions regarding how likely some scenarios of gold physicality can be brought back into value and recognized by being sufficiently scarce and therefore a sufficiently good forum of money..

It seems crazy to put our bets on that horse, even though some folks seem to be willing to do that, yet I think that the folks betting on gold rather than bitcoin are not sufficiently informed about bitcoin whether it is through their own fault or just coincidence.  There is value in learning about bitcoin, even though it comes off as abstract and fantastical, and even you as a miner have some ideas about the systems of power and computers backing up bitcoin that make it more than just fantastical.

it was from more that 10 years ago but if we must cherry pick that one is better than the one picked.

Sometimes it is useful to look at trends, whether it is every 4 years or some other trend, and many of us realize that gold had its own peak in 2011, so maybe it is somewhat not fair to measure from 2011 - even though 2011 is 14 years ago... but we can still take some snapshots of the trend and we see that bitcoin is ongoingly growing relative to gold, and it is difficult to spin it any other way, even though surely bitcoin is ONLY approaching its 17th year, and so yeah 17 years is not a lifetime, so there can be changes in trends at any moment.

With the below chart (which shows from 2014 to present (so nearly 12 years), we should be able to see the trend and even see the recent activities of gold performing better does not really show up on the bitcoin versus gold chart.


https://www.longtermtrends.net/bitcoin-vs-gold/

You can go to the website with the chart and adjust the chart to your own timeline by sliding the little timeline button at the bottom to zoom in on any period that you like and you can look back at longer trends all the way back to bitcoin's introduction, or you can cut out the earliest of years in bitcoin to see less appreciation of bitcoin as compared with gold, yet it should still seem to appear as quite outrageous growth of bitcoin relative to gold..

Sure we can look more recently at a chart from February 2021 to present (see below) and see that most of 2022 bitcoin was down relative to gold, but bitcoin largely made up for the downtrend and is largely back to where it was on the trendline prior to the 2022 down period.



I am not going to proclaim to be an expert in regards to reading charts or even to proclaim that the charts tell everything, since usually we can incorporate explanations, and sometimes the charts will help us to see a bit better in regards to what someone might be saying with their snapshot figures.

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.
It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.
•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

I am glad he was arrested as soon as possible before the police will go after other people looking like suspect.
This was a political influenced assassination and the culprit would have been brainwashed and promised to get a huge  paycheck.

He need to be investigated thoroughly so he doesn't coverup the initiator of the assassination so everyone involved can be brought to book.

FBI and police are quiet sure accused assassin Tyler Robinson, aged 22 of Utah, acted alone - yet he was clearly influenced by his opposition to conservative views.

Oh they want to tell the media that he acted alone when it's crystal clear that someone must have triggered this juvenile conduct?

I will keep a deaf ear to some of the investigations they will come up with to hide the truth. What has Charlie Kirk done to the 22 years old boy to ever think of pulling a trigger? This was well planned and it's unfortunate that Kirk is no more with us in this evil planet.

It seems to me that we do not have enough details, and if the distance really was 200 yards (meters), then that is a really expert-level kind of shooting, especially with ONLY one shot.

[edited out]

Hi Philipma1957,
You can check this to trace the past price of Bitcoin in November 2021

This should be well informative and you can check the closing price if you don't mind.

I may be wrong and I am ready to fix the error ASAP if so.

Why don't you just show your work?  if you came up with numbers that were wrong, then show how you calculated the numbers.

If you were trying to make a point about bitcoin outperforming gold, then surely you can make that point, but you would not necessarily need to use the same dates that Philip did.. , but if you are using the same dates, then it is good to show your work.  I largely think that Philip is wrong too in regards to his propagating wrong ideas about gold outperforming bitcoin, even if some dates can be shown in which gold outperformed bitcoin.. In the overall scheme of things gold is getting its lunch eaten, even though temporarily gold is showing some signs of life.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[philipma1957]

Try gold nov 2021 to now

Vs

Btc Nov 2021 to now

Gold did 1750-1825  and is now 3660 pretty much 2x

Btc was 69k and in now 115k pretty much 1.6667


So rather than going backwards to compare make a 4 year future guess.

Over next 4 years who wins.

My guess is btc

I think this comparison is very useful to know so i don't argue without real calculation.

From November 2021 till today, 12th September 2025, Gold has about  101.40% growth in price.

From November 2021 till today 12th September 2025, BTC has about 103.30% growth in price.

BTC still wins even in the future.

btc was 61k to 69k in nov 2021

btc is 115.9 k as I type.

so your math is wrong.as 115.9/69 = 1.679 which is a 67.9% gain

and if you pick 115.9/61=1.9  a 90% gain.


so correct your error.

the reality is any day of nov 2021 gold beats BTC gains

when using todays prices.


and while we are at it.  btc was 10,000 for 2 pizzas which is under 1 cent a btc.

so why not compare from that day.


Back to what counts what does btc do vs gold for the next 4 years.

does it lose
or does it win.

Hi Philipma1957,

You can check this to trace the past price of Bitcoin in November 2021



This should be well informative and you can check the closing price if you don't mind.

I may be wrong and I am ready to fix the error ASAP if so.

so you cherry pick a nov date from nov that makes you correct

and I picked a nov date from 2021 that makes me correct.

the highest day in November of 2021 btc got to 69 k


which brings me to the point that if you want to cherry pick

use the 10,000 pizza date not my  nov 2021 date or your nov 2021 dates

or the date from 10 years ago.

i found multiple date in nov that show gold was better than btc.

btw.


compare btc nov 2021 the peak day ath of 69k

to the 16.9k it dropped to a year later.


cherry picking is a waste of time.


all I care about is btc price in four year from today.



and we can go back and forth about gains.

i purchased 2500usd  worth of copper wire

I did checked the date april 2022 not 2021

i sold it for around 9700 this month

so it did 9700/2500=3.88 i got 3.88 to 1 on it.

and a very sore back moving it around.


but btc in may of 2022 was about 40k

so 116.2/40=2.905


and for those three years in change copper was better for me than btc.

and it actually is not cherry picking as i actually did in.

which is completely different then going back in the past and saying shit about things that you did not do.

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It seems to me that we do not have enough details, and if the distance really was 200 yards (meters), then that is a really expert-level kind of shooting, especially with ONLY one shot.

I don't know why people keep repeating this retarded shit.

200 yards is nothing, a child could make that shot as long as they can line up the long rifle.

I could literally make that shot at 500 meters in the offhand with a carbine let alone the prone with a long rifle.

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It seems to me that we do not have enough details, and if the distance really was 200 yards (meters), then that is a really expert-level kind of shooting, especially with ONLY one shot.

I don't know why people keep repeating this retarded shit.

200 yards is nothing, a child could make that shot as long as they can line up the long rifle.

I could literally make that shot at 500 meters in the offhand with a carbine let alone the prone with a long rifle.

They said it was a Mauser 30-06

Which is too long to fit in a knapsack.

They have a photo of him jumping off a roof with no rifle.

Yet the rifle was found in the woods.


So someone else helped with the rifle or he modded the rifle and made it be able to detach the barrel.

It is not meant to detach it is compression attached when the threads are mated.

Wonder what the story is.

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so you cherry pick a nov date from nov that makes you correct
and I picked a nov date from 2021 that makes me correct.

the highest day in November of 2021 btc got to 69 k

We know that BTC pricer is all over the place in the short term, so why put much if any weight behind various prices, and yeah, we have heard guys whine about bitcoin not going up enough, and then choosing some high price point in bitcoin's history as their starting reference.  So why go on and on in regards to that kind of an argument rather than proposing some kind of a reasonable reference point. I think that you were the one who initially chose to start out with BTC's high price point in November 2021, and whether you were cherry picking or merely showing the problematic nature of cherry picking, your point is not really clear or even persuasive.
 
Maybe we could take the 200-WMA of each? and compare them in 4 year plus increments?

Bitcoin's 200-WMA was $16,805 on November 1, 2021, and today it is $52,456.

I calculate that to be a 3.12x increase in value, and I doubt that gold comes even close to having those kinds of "meaningful" comparative numbers... and it gets worse if you try to compare bitcoin to gold over a longer period of time, which is also part of the reason why the 200-WMA has a lot more explanatory value as compared with getting caught up in nonsensical comments about fluctuating spot prices, even though surely if any of us are buying or selling bitcoin, then we are going to be using BTC spot prices rather than 200-WMA prices in order to make our transactions, yet nonetheless if we are trying to valuate bitcoin and to maybe make comparisons of its value to other assets, probably using the 2090-WMA is going to give us much more solid numbers, even if it might be a bit more technical to find places to get those kinds of numbers for other assets..  

which brings me to the point that if you want to cherry pick
use the 10,000 pizza date not my  nov 2021 date or your nov 2021 dates
or the date from 10 years ago.

i found multiple date in nov that show gold was better than btc.
btw.
compare btc nov 2021 the peak day ath of 69k

to the 16.9k it dropped to a year later.
cherry picking is a waste of time.

You come off as a caveman looking at shadows with these kinds of arguments.

all I care about is btc price in four year from today.

Does that mean that you are going to build your bitcoin holdings so that you are ready for 4 years from now?  I doubt it.

If a guy  is busy buying and selling, then each time he buys, there is likely a 4-year timeline attached to that new buy in order to be an investor rather than a trader. Of course, if you get to overaccumulation status, then that is a different story because then you would have more options, especially within the overaccumulated portion of your BTC holdings.

and we can go back and forth about gains.
i purchased 2500usd  worth of copper wire

I did checked the date april 2022 not 2021
i sold it for around 9700 this month
so it did 9700/2500=3.88 i got 3.88 to 1 on it.
and a very sore back moving it around.

but btc in may of 2022 was about 40k
so 116.2/40=2.905
and for those three years in change copper was better for me than btc.
and it actually is not cherry picking as i actually did in.
which is completely different then going back in the past and saying shit about things that you did not do.

I would have had rather held the bitcoin, and even to keep buying bitcoin with all kinds of resources between early 2022 to late 2023 would not have been a bad thing.

Let's say that I figured that I could gardner $105k between 2022 and 2023 from a variety of sources and invest into bitcoin. So I started buying on January 1, 2022 with a goal of investing into bitcoin for 2 years straight with that $105k that I was going to source from a variety of places, and I figured that I could invest $1k per week for the next 105 weeks (which would have had been 2 years), and so I can look at a DCA calculator and now see that at the end of the 2 years, I would have had been able to accumulate 4 BTC during that time, which would be a good place to be to have 4 BTC based on having had $105k (or $1k per week to invest into bitcoin that was drawn from various sources that I had figured that I could wrangle up over 2 years).  I would be quite proud of myself to have had been able to accomplish such front loading of my investment.

Accordingly by the time, that I finished investing (at the end of 2023) then maybe I was not quite at overaccumulation status, but right now 4 BTC would give me a spot price value of $465k, but more importantly a 200-WMA value of $210k, which means that I could perpetually withdraw $21k per year from that, yet I can see from my latest fuck you status chart projections that if I were willing to wait to withdraw until late 2029, it may well be the case that I should be able to withdraw $80k per year from a 4 BTC bitcoin stash..

It seems to me that we do not have enough details, and if the distance really was 200 yards (meters), then that is a really expert-level kind of shooting, especially with ONLY one shot.

I don't know why people keep repeating this retarded shit.
200 yards is nothing, a child could make that shot as long as they can line up the long rifle.

I could literally make that shot at 500 meters in the offhand with a carbine let alone the prone with a long rifle.

My shooting really is not very good, and I think that it has to do with my eye dominance so I would have to change my eye dominance with some training.. and surely you are referring to a long rifle with a accurately adjusted scope and surely with either a tripod or some kind of a surface to rest it on (not holding the rifle.. since that would be even more difficult). Surely.. scopes get thrown off frequently, and so there are needs to do target practice to make sure that the scope is accurate.. .

Sure, maybe it is true that a lot of folks can train themselves to cause 200-yards to be an easy shot.. and yeah of course that is around 2 football fields.

Another thing is that I would imagine if someone is shooting to kill then they would be shooting for a headshot, so the fact that the shot hit the neck may well mean that he missed, but he missed in a direction that ended up being quite effective.

I doubt 200-Yards is easy... even if you think so.  Maybe others agree with you, and that is o.k, and your proclaiming to be able to make that shot with 500 yards?  Have you consistently hit targets (like target practice) at that range?  500 yards is holy shit.. half a kilometer.  I have my doubts.  Call me an arm chaired skeptic.

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They said it was a Mauser 30-06
Which is too long to fit in a knapsack.

They have a photo of him jumping off a roof with no rifle.
Yet the rifle was found in the woods.

So someone else helped with the rifle or he modded the rifle and made it be able to detach the barrel.
It is not meant to detach it is compression attached when the threads are mated.
Wonder what the story is.

Sometimes the details are not released, and sometimes when they are released, they do not add up.  What if he dropped the gun on one side of the building and then he jumped off the other side of the building?  That might work, right?  But then was he going to go around and get the gun  or did he have someone else take the gun when he dropped it from the roof.