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[Findingnemo]

Hmm, this is a great idea for a movie. Let's call it "Running Man" or something like that?! 

need cars..

"Death Race 2025"

now with moar (electric?) motorz

Zero emissions, but infinite carnage. Sometimes I can't control my dark humour 

[BTCETFInvestor]

I understand and misinterpreted your comment as only pertaining to this incident. I have no argument against there being hate spewed from both sides.

Though, I will somewhat agree with OgNasty due to personal experiences living in both very blue and very red states. In the conservative areas, I have heard a lot of disgust with the more liberal lifestyles, especially pertaining to what goes on in schools curriculum now a days (i.e. the essentially pornographic materials in books/curriculums, trannies brought into schools for whatever reason, "sex ed" teaching gay/trans ideology, etc). They basically say if that's what you want to do, do it somewhere else. We don't want that here.

In the overwhelmingly liberal city I lived in, there was, essentially, this inherent hate for the conservatives and their lifestyle. I would try and probe them, wanting to understand where this vitriol, this anger spawned from, but there was never a rationale given. It was like arguing with a woman when she "feels" a certain way, and thus justifies her completely illogical thinking (I'm assuming any guy reading this with a gf/wife can relate, haha). They had this mindset that "right is bad, we need to destroy it so everyone can be happy" (no, the hypocrisy of this type of statement is not lost on me). Why? Just because. Or, "they want to destroy us, we have to destroy them first"... how do you know they want to destroy you? "It is obvious, they just do!"

Yes, some more extreme conservatives would say similar things, I don't deny that. The glaring difference between the two is the amount of people with that mindset in each group. It was as though there was an inverse correlation between the two; A small minority of the right vs the vast majority of the left.

Even now I still don't understand why they feel that way, it is quite interesting from a psychological perspective.



What I am more nervous (for lack of a better word) about is escalation from both sides due to this incident. The, divide and conquer the masses so no one focuses on gov anymore, being pushed so hard that it leads to the detriment of us all in the US. It makes me think of this poem (is it a poem?) and where we will be if/after this happens:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12279767-the-most-terrifying-force-of-death-comes-from-the-hands

This post is why america is doomed.


The far right and the far left are one and the same. And they squeeze the more normal people out of the narative.

I am a centrist and find it easy to pick what I like from either side.

Unfortunately there seems to be far too many on the left or right that want to point a finger..



Here is my centrist take. I want Trump to send tons of troops to both Houston and Chicago both are crime filled hell holes.

One is eft and one is right.

Let's then see which one turns around first.


This is compromise at its best yet no one talks about it.

They either point at the left or the,right.

You just mentioning random s-t, @phil
Why Houston and Chicago? Have you ever been in the last 20 years or so?

Houston does have crime, but the city mostly consists of several enclaves-some with abject poverty, and some very prosperous.
I recently was on a charity road trip in some of the poorest neighborhoods and there the populace looks desperate.
In other Houston areas, like Bellaire, West University, River Oaks, etc, there are many blocks of multi million $$ mansions and high retail.
Houston is a "tale" of multiple cities under one moniker, so generalizations like this are mostly not accurate.

For the overall per capita statistics of crime in US, visit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
Then, play with arrows for Total crime per capita or some other parameter.

When i did this, the table shows the highest crime per capita in US in (from higher to lower among highest ten): Memphis (TN), Oakland (CA), Detroit (MI), Little Rock (AR), Baltimore (MD), Cleveland (OH), Kansas City (MO), Milwaukee (WI), St. Louis (MO), Dayton (OH).

Chicago is actually 109 out of 200, so somewhere in the middle, Houston is lower, but not bottom 10.
If you only count murders, then Chicago is in 21st place (from the bottom), Houston is less (higher/better on the list).
The same cities that are in total crime rates are prominent in this list as well.

It is hard to find a 2,000,000 population "right" city to match a 2,000,000  "left" city that Trump managed to pick.

Since Houston is more right then left worse crime than Chicago and  both are near 2,000,000 I picked  it. So it was not random.



BTW most cities over 1,000,000 lean left in the USA

Wrong again: Houston voted for Kamala (51.62%/46.51%), lol
Houston is Harris county...you are probably thinking about Texas as a whole, which is, of course, right leaning.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/2024/11/05/504645/election-results-2024-harris-county-and-texas-general-election/

There is a distinct commonality in all those cities. There is a big Black/African American population in Houston as well as Memphis...and Chicago...and all the other crime-infested cities mentioned.

As for Tennessee, Memphis (right on the border with Mississippi) grew from the cotton trade and slave labor back in the 1700s and 1800s. Central and Eastern Tennessee with Knoxville and Nashville actually disown Memphis. Tennessee is like three states in one  - Memphis to the far west, Nashville in central and Knoxville in the mountains in the east. Nashville and Knoxville are conservative - unlike Memphis which is crawling with low-life, left-wing, antifa liberals.   

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[philipma1957]

I understand and misinterpreted your comment as only pertaining to this incident. I have no argument against there being hate spewed from both sides.

Though, I will somewhat agree with OgNasty due to personal experiences living in both very blue and very red states. In the conservative areas, I have heard a lot of disgust with the more liberal lifestyles, especially pertaining to what goes on in schools curriculum now a days (i.e. the essentially pornographic materials in books/curriculums, trannies brought into schools for whatever reason, "sex ed" teaching gay/trans ideology, etc). They basically say if that's what you want to do, do it somewhere else. We don't want that here.

In the overwhelmingly liberal city I lived in, there was, essentially, this inherent hate for the conservatives and their lifestyle. I would try and probe them, wanting to understand where this vitriol, this anger spawned from, but there was never a rationale given. It was like arguing with a woman when she "feels" a certain way, and thus justifies her completely illogical thinking (I'm assuming any guy reading this with a gf/wife can relate, haha). They had this mindset that "right is bad, we need to destroy it so everyone can be happy" (no, the hypocrisy of this type of statement is not lost on me). Why? Just because. Or, "they want to destroy us, we have to destroy them first"... how do you know they want to destroy you? "It is obvious, they just do!"

Yes, some more extreme conservatives would say similar things, I don't deny that. The glaring difference between the two is the amount of people with that mindset in each group. It was as though there was an inverse correlation between the two; A small minority of the right vs the vast majority of the left.

Even now I still don't understand why they feel that way, it is quite interesting from a psychological perspective.



What I am more nervous (for lack of a better word) about is escalation from both sides due to this incident. The, divide and conquer the masses so no one focuses on gov anymore, being pushed so hard that it leads to the detriment of us all in the US. It makes me think of this poem (is it a poem?) and where we will be if/after this happens:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12279767-the-most-terrifying-force-of-death-comes-from-the-hands

This post is why america is doomed.


The far right and the far left are one and the same. And they squeeze the more normal people out of the narative.

I am a centrist and find it easy to pick what I like from either side.

Unfortunately there seems to be far too many on the left or right that want to point a finger..



Here is my centrist take. I want Trump to send tons of troops to both Houston and Chicago both are crime filled hell holes.

One is eft and one is right.

Let's then see which one turns around first.


This is compromise at its best yet no one talks about it.

They either point at the left or the,right.

You just mentioning random s-t, @phil
Why Houston and Chicago? Have you ever been in the last 20 years or so?

Houston does have crime, but the city mostly consists of several enclaves-some with abject poverty, and some very prosperous.
I recently was on a charity road trip in some of the poorest neighborhoods and there the populace looks desperate.
In other Houston areas, like Bellaire, West University, River Oaks, etc, there are many blocks of multi million $$ mansions and high retail.
Houston is a "tale" of multiple cities under one moniker, so generalizations like this are mostly not accurate.

For the overall per capita statistics of crime in US, visit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
Then, play with arrows for Total crime per capita or some other parameter.

When i did this, the table shows the highest crime per capita in US in (from higher to lower among highest ten): Memphis (TN), Oakland (CA), Detroit (MI), Little Rock (AR), Baltimore (MD), Cleveland (OH), Kansas City (MO), Milwaukee (WI), St. Louis (MO), Dayton (OH).

Chicago is actually 109 out of 200, so somewhere in the middle, Houston is lower, but not bottom 10.
If you only count murders, then Chicago is in 21st place (from the bottom), Houston is less (higher/better on the list).
The same cities that are in total crime rates are prominent in this list as well.

It is hard to find a 2,000,000 population "right" city to match a 2,000,000  "left" city that Trump managed to pick.

Since Houston is more right then left worse crime than Chicago and  both are near 2,000,000 I picked  it. So it was not random.



BTW most cities over 1,000,000 lean left in the USA

Wrong again: Houston voted for Kamala (51.62%/46.51%), lol
Houston is Harris county...you are probably thinking about Texas as a whole, which is, of course, right leaning.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/2024/11/05/504645/election-results-2024-harris-county-and-texas-general-election/

Okay I found a right wing large city.

Miami pop is 500,000

Chicago pop is 2,700,000

Miami was solid Trump
Chicago was solid Harris.


So when Trump said he wants to do Chicago democrats should ask him to do Miami. 555 violent crimes per 100,000

BTW I think Trump now wants to do Memphis  it is around 600,000.  2500 violent crimes per 100,000


USA is 359 violent crimes per 100,000


Memphis is clearly better at doing more violent crime but Miami still suck compared to the USA and or Flo rida

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[BTCETFInvestor]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.

It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot!

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.

•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

I am glad he was arrested as soon as possible before the police will go after other people looking like suspect.

This was a political influenced assassination and the culprit would have been brainwashed and promised to get a huge  paycheck.

He need to be investigated thoroughly so he doesn't coverup the initiator of the assassination so everyone involved can be brought to book.

FBI and police are quiet sure accused assassin Tyler Robinson, aged 22 of Utah, acted alone - yet he was clearly influenced by his opposition to conservative views.

It has now been learned the suspect's partner is a transgender that is transitioning from a male to a female and is cooperating with authorities - with the transgender lover saying the suspect admitted to shooting Charlie Kirk.  

Now we know the motive and main reason he hated Charlie Kirk enough to kill him - because his lover partner, Lance Twiggs, was a trans, and Kirk was opposed to transgenders  changing their sex. The suspect may have also had other liberal, left-wing, ideology views about politics, religion, socialism, communism, anarchism, etc.

https://i.ibb.co/bgZBYDM8/Screenshot-2025-09-13-200003.png

The suspect was infatuated by the far left in recent years, according to the authorities saying; “It’s very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.'  

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 Dear 'Buddy',

You Made Me Remember,
some old sadly hystories.
some sundays are glory,
other sundays are  blood....
some trails on the forests,
are now foolly big Roads...
Shine of the morning,
Stars at the nigth
to Up on the dark.
to down at the Lights,
that lightning the clouds.

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[JayJuanGee]

The murder of Charlie Kirk has been arrested, a 22 years old boy.
It looks like he has no online presence, a typical plot! [/size]

I found this interesting

•Robinson's father then convinced him to speak with his youth minister, who was also a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer.

•The minister contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which led to Robinson's arrest in St. George, Utah, on Thursday evening.

I am glad he was arrested as soon as possible before the police will go after other people looking like suspect.
This was a political influenced assassination and the culprit would have been brainwashed and promised to get a huge  paycheck.

He need to be investigated thoroughly so he doesn't coverup the initiator of the assassination so everyone involved can be brought to book.

FBI and police are quiet sure accused assassin Tyler Robinson, aged 22 of Utah, acted alone - yet he was clearly influenced by his opposition to conservative views.

It has now been learned the suspect's partner is a transgender that is transitioning from a male to a female and is cooperating with authorities - with the transgender lover saying the suspect admitted to shooting Charlie Kirk.  

Now we know the motive and main reason he hated Charlie Kirk enough to kill him - because his lover partner, Lance Twiggs, was a trans, and Kirk was opposed to transgenders  changing their sex. The suspect may have also had other liberal, left-wing, ideology views about politics, religion, socialism, communism, anarchism, etc.
https://i.ibb.co/bgZBYDM8/Screenshot-2025-09-13-200003.png

The suspect was infatuated by the far left in recent years, according to the authorities saying; “It’s very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.'  

I wasn't sure if I should quote you in total, yet we have already found out, in this thread, that if we don't quote you, then you may well end up going through some deleting tirade and act like you had never posted whatever nonsense.

To have less burden I did shrink your text, but still wondering why you felt some need to quote yourself and also why you wanted to shout at us about a topic by using bold when the topic is only quasi-related to bitcoin? and really you are seeming to get all excited about such.

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[WatChe]

I agree that Bitcoin is one of the best investments known to man.

There are ways you can use your Bitcoin investment to benefit you in other area of life. Like I installed an 11 KW solar system in my house and for last 4 months I haven't paid any electricity bill while using great amount of electricity in summers. This saving of electricity bill can help you in accumulating more Bitcoins while at the same giving comfort to your personal life.

There is still a balance, and surely it can be more rational to invest rather than to consume, and some kinds of investments generate income for life and provide security and/or opportunities for improvement and/or advancement.. so frequently guys might not recognize needs to improve their abilities to produce income in their youth or that their ability to produce income in their youth can result in a variety of compounding effects later down the road that further improve their income and/or their quality of life (even though it might cost a lot in the short term).

If you are consuming Bitcoins just because you are getting some extra bucks on your investment then surely it's a loss.

The current youth is in better position to generate extra income apart from there job because of so much opportunities available over internet. I even know students who are in high school / college and they pay there education fee by working online.

If you stick with your job salary then quality of your life won't improve as you will live a hand to mouth life.
 

There surely can be difficulties with bitcoin, and sometimes waiting makes sense and other times waiting does not make sense and we are not always going to realize the amount of the payoff... and there are a decent amount of guys who likely spent too much money on buying themselves a house too soon, and so they ended up missing out on opportunity costs of that money.. I had made some similar mistakes in my youth, yet with bitcoin currently in the picture, the choice could be more grave - and yeah, sometimes a person might need to the security of investing into something like a house - yet other times putting that money in bitcoin would have had been the better choice, even though at the time of the decision it was not very clear in regards to which place to put value is better - which could be the case with your solar panels - even though surely, you are in a better place to engage in the various calculations - and if you are at least attempting to be honest with yourself you might go through various calculations and also see how those calculations play out through time.. not that any of us can go back on some of our earlier decisions, and also there surely is value in some of the subjective value and including value that others are also getting from the thing that you invested into (namely solar panels in your example).

Buying a house (or constructing own house) is top most priority in my country (Pakistan) because of too much complications associated with living in rented accommodation. You are from USA and in USA living in rented house doesn't have any complication because of strict laws. But majority of people living in rented accommodation here in my country always dream to have there own house to get peace of mind. 

It takes time before one develop the confidence that investing in Bitcoin for long duration is more beneficial then investing for short term. It's not that you got to know about Bitcoin today and you start accumulating for next 5 years from today. I have to admit that it took me few years to understand this fatc and that's why I am accumlating for 200k now.

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[JayJuanGee]

I agree that Bitcoin is one of the best investments known to man.

There are ways you can use your Bitcoin investment to benefit you in other area of life. Like I installed an 11 KW solar system in my house and for last 4 months I haven't paid any electricity bill while using great amount of electricity in summers. This saving of electricity bill can help you in accumulating more Bitcoins while at the same giving comfort to your personal life.

There is still a balance, and surely it can be more rational to invest rather than to consume, and some kinds of investments generate income for life and provide security and/or opportunities for improvement and/or advancement.. so frequently guys might not recognize needs to improve their abilities to produce income in their youth or that their ability to produce income in their youth can result in a variety of compounding effects later down the road that further improve their income and/or their quality of life (even though it might cost a lot in the short term).

If you are consuming Bitcoins just because you are getting some extra bucks on your investment then surely it's a loss.

The current youth is in better position to generate extra income apart from there job because of so much opportunities available over internet. I even know students who are in high school / college and they pay there education fee by working online.

If you stick with your job salary then quality of your life won't improve as you will live a hand to mouth life.

There surely can be difficulties with bitcoin, and sometimes waiting makes sense and other times waiting does not make sense and we are not always going to realize the amount of the payoff... and there are a decent amount of guys who likely spent too much money on buying themselves a house too soon, and so they ended up missing out on opportunity costs of that money.. I had made some similar mistakes in my youth, yet with bitcoin currently in the picture, the choice could be more grave - and yeah, sometimes a person might need to the security of investing into something like a house - yet other times putting that money in bitcoin would have had been the better choice, even though at the time of the decision it was not very clear in regards to which place to put value is better - which could be the case with your solar panels - even though surely, you are in a better place to engage in the various calculations - and if you are at least attempting to be honest with yourself you might go through various calculations and also see how those calculations play out through time.. not that any of us can go back on some of our earlier decisions, and also there surely is value in some of the subjective value and including value that others are also getting from the thing that you invested into (namely solar panels in your example).

Buying a house (or constructing own house) is top most priority in my country (Pakistan) because of too much complications associated with living in rented accommodation. You are from USA and in USA living in rented house doesn't have any complication because of strict laws. But majority of people living in rented accommodation here in my country always dream to have there own house to get peace of mind. 

It takes time before one develop the confidence that investing in Bitcoin for long duration is more beneficial then investing for short term. It's not that you got to know about Bitcoin today and you start accumulating for next 5 years from today. I have to admit that it took me few years to understand this fatc and that's why I am accumlating for 200k now.

I imagine that a large number of folks start out in bitcoin and they don't get it right away, even if they might start to buy some of it, so they might get into bitcoin thinking about bitcoin as a trade and then  they might make some mistakes and then transition into thinking about bitcoin as an investment.

A person is likely going to be much better off to save up for a house in bitcon and perhaps buy the house later rather than buying it too soon and then deferring his accumulation of bitcoin, whether in the USA or in other places. 

Sure the housing market is going to be different from place to place, and the availability of credit is also going to be different from place to place too.