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[BitHodlers]

And?

Do those paper bitcoin pushers (providers) have any of the bitcoin to back up those claims on bitcoin?  In other words, do they have as many bitcoin as they claim to have?  We know that entities like that do not shoot straight, and they will take every opportunity to shave off extra profits when they can get away with it, and also to control and manipulate the market as much as they are able to accomplish.  Perhaps contrarian goals, yet certain insiders are able to get away with fleecing aspects of the public when they are supposedly "providing a needed service."

Without publicly and easily auditable balances, I do not believe that ETFs hold all the coins that they claim to hold. Without this they are easily able to hide that they have plenty of paper coins. This is why institutions tend to refuse to do this or avoid the topic, it has nothing to do with security or whatever else they say.. a signed message or other proof or reserves methods once per month would go a long way.

@BitHodlers - You have no trust in SEC Reporting & Regulations? Sad for you!  

Bitcoin is designed to remove trust, adding back trust does not make sense. It is just plain wrong.

[Gachapin]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

 

From one retard to another:  Do you know how dumb you look posting that kind of stuff ?

[cAPSLOCK]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

Do you live in the United States Lucius?  Just curious.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[philipma1957]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

Do you live in the United States Lucius?  Just curious.

he does not ,

and the issue is very simple.

if illegal immigration is wrong.  then every state that has sanctuary is in an act of open rebellion against the federal government.

soooo why doesn’t don the man lock up all the governors of all the sanctuary states and put them on trial?

less people to arrest don’t need to run the icemen all over the states.

to me the donald is at a fail point by not grabbing 1 governor at a time or all the governors at once and putting them on trial.

the crux of the issue is a state allowed to declare itself as a sanctuary state or not.


seems to me that this is actually a civil war happening as I type.

and I do not understand why The donald does not come to my state and arrest mikie sherril for allowing the executive order signed by murph the surf in 2019 to stay on the books.

if he did that either he would win in court or lose and then we would have real legit sanctuary states or criminal goverments that need to be jailed.

i truly think the don is at a major fail here by not going after the various governments that declared they are a sanctuary state.

btw i think the democrats favoring illegal immigration’s are fuck8ng nuts 🥜.


back to btc  vs metals

metals bitch slapped btc since oct 2025. will they tag on another crushing blow here for my birthday week.

does silver still climb maybe to 111.11 an oz

if so my shit on ebay will sell and I will buy more corn with it.

should be fun for my birthday week coming up.

[cAPSLOCK]

And?

Do those paper bitcoin pushers (providers) have any of the bitcoin to back up those claims on bitcoin?  In other words, do they have as many bitcoin as they claim to have?  We know that entities like that do not shoot straight, and they will take every opportunity to shave off extra profits when they can get away with it, and also to control and manipulate the market as much as they are able to accomplish.  Perhaps contrarian goals, yet certain insiders are able to get away with fleecing aspects of the public when they are supposedly "providing a needed service."

Without publicly and easily auditable balances, I do not believe that ETFs hold all the coins that they claim to hold. Without this they are easily able to hide that they have plenty of paper coins. This is why institutions tend to refuse to do this or avoid the topic, it has nothing to do with security or whatever else they say.. a signed message or other proof or reserves methods once per month would go a long way.

@BitHodlers - You have no trust in SEC Reporting & Regulations? Sad for you!  

Bitcoin is designed to remove trust, adding back trust does not make sense. It is just plain wrong.

I would respectfully push back against this notion as a simple axiom.

It's a little too black and white for my liking.  I agree with the notion that trust minimization is extremely important, particularly in certain circumstances, and must be fought for to be maintained.

I think that trust in itself isn't negative. Being forced to put trust in someone or something is negative.

But I'm not arguing against what I believe is your greater point.  The idea that an ETF, for example, is superior because it offers many advantages in exchange for your trust is not that simple.  Exposing yourself to Bitcoin price volatility through an institutional instrument contains many trade-offs that might not be worth the cost.

So I think it is a worthy thing to prioritize, trust minimized tools and processes that are built on top of Bitcoin.  But it will also be somewhat advantageous under certain circumstances to also introduce small amounts of trust back to the picture.

A simple example of this would be a multi-signature wallet for which one key is held by a paid third party. They can only access your funds through collusion with one of the other two members (in a two of three) but they are there to be coordinated with in the event something happens to one of the other two keys.

This is a much different trust trade-off than what we have with something like the ETFs.  And something far more palatable to me.

So everybody's got to make their own choices about where they're going to place their trust and what trade-offs are worth a sacrifice of it.

[Gachapin]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

Do you live in the United States Lucius?  Just curious.

he does not ,

and the issue is very simple.

if illegal immigration is wrong.  then every state that has sanctuary is in an act of open rebellion against the federal government.

soooo why doesn’t don the man lock up all the governors of all the sanctuary states and put them on trial?

less people to arrest don’t need to run the icemen all over the states.

to me the donald is at a fail point by not grabbing 1 governor at a time or all the governors at once and putting them on trial.

the crux of the issue is a state allowed to declare itself as a sanctuary state or not.


seems to me that this is actually a civil war happening as I type.

and I do not understand why The donald does not come to my state and arrest mikie sherril for allowing the executive order signed by murph the surf in 2019 to stay on the books.

if he did that either he would win in court or lose and then we would have real legit sanctuary states or criminal goverments that need to be jailed.

i truly think the don is at a major fail here by not going after the various governments that declared they are a sanctuary state.

btw i think the democrats favoring illegal immigration’s are fuck8ng nuts 🥜.

.....

Maybe he wanna avoid the risk losing in court...

And if he won, the illegals would have to be deported anyways

[BTCETFInvestor]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

Do you live in the United States Lucius?  Just curious.

he does not ,

and the issue is very simple.

if illegal immigration is wrong.  then every state that has sanctuary is in an act of open rebellion against the federal government.

soooo why doesn’t don the man lock up all the governors of all the sanctuary states and put them on trial?

less people to arrest don’t need to run the icemen all over the states.

to me the donald is at a fail point by not grabbing 1 governor at a time or all the governors at once and putting them on trial.

the crux of the issue is a state allowed to declare itself as a sanctuary state or not.


seems to me that this is actually a civil war happening as I type.

and I do not understand why The donald does not come to my state and arrest mikie sherril for allowing the executive order signed by murph the surf in 2019 to stay on the books.

if he did that either he would win in court or lose and then we would have real legit sanctuary states or criminal goverments that need to be jailed.

i truly think the don is at a major fail here by not going after the various governments that declared they are a sanctuary state.

btw i think the democrats favoring illegal immigration’s are fuck8ng nuts 🥜.


back to btc  vs metals

metals bitch slapped btc since oct 2025. will they tag on another crushing blow here for my birthday week.

does silver still climb maybe to 111.11 an oz

if so my shit on ebay will sell and I will buy more corn with it.

should be fun for my birthday week coming up.

My guess is the woke little snowflake lives in Croatia or Slovenia, maybe Hungary...

[Hueristic]

What a sight:

RIGHT!!!

I almost posted but didn't want to ruin it and was wondering if we'd get a whole page I have ignored. Lol

[Hueristic]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

Ice are fat stupid slobs, that's the difference.

[Hueristic]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

@Lucius - Looks like you enjoy @PetitPoulet75's stupid postings on X.  It might make sense that you are 'Super Woke' like him, you poor little snowflake!

- Handle: @PetitPoulet75
- Display name: Meh
- Bio: “Super Woke. If you're reading this cause facts hurt your feelings – cheers!”
-

Gotta love pieces of shit that try to label people what they are not because they cant handle the fact they are morons.

[Biodom]

Comparative WO-ology:

To me, this market "feels" like 2018.

In 2018, upon the first 68-70% decline from 20K to about 6.4K, market stabilized for quite a long time (from about June to Nov), only to undergo another 50% decline to about 3.2K minimum in Nov-Dec.

If this market would "rhyme": we had an initial 36-37% decline, now we are in a range, maybe.
Let's say, middle of the range is 89K. Therefore, this analogy suggests stability for maybe 4-5 months (this timing is not important, though) and then a sharp decline of another 20% or so. Numbers are smaller than in 2018 because the climb was much shallower.
20% decline from 89K is $71.2K, slightly undercutting the first "tariff" drop.

71.2K vs 126K is a 43.5% "bear", which would be quite "bear-able".

TL;DR Judging by the fact that markets seem to be "stuck", we are in a true bear, which would conclude earlier this year than cycle adherents expect.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[Hueristic]

Comparative WO-ology:

To me, this market "feels" like 2018.

In 2018, upon the first 68-70% decline from 20K to about 6.4K, market stabilized for quite a long time (from about June to Nov), only to undergo another 50% decline to about 3.2K minimum in Nov-Dec.

If this market would "rhyme": we had an initial 36-37% decline, now we are in a range, maybe.
Let's say, middle of the range is 89K. Therefore, this analogy suggests stability for maybe 4-5 months (this timing is not important, though) and then a sharp decline of another 20% or so. Numbers are smaller than in 2018 because the climb was much shallower.
20% decline from 89K is $71.2K, slightly undercutting the first "tariff" drop.

71.2K vs 126K is a 43.5% "bear", which would be quite "bear-able".

TL;DR Judging by the fact that markets seem to be "stuck", we are in a true bear, which would conclude earlier this year than cycle adherents expect.

[philipma1957]

I'm reading some news today and they say that this ICE thug commander looks a bit like and acts like a Nazi - and then I think of all those Nazis that the US captured after World War II or somehow recruited to work for them, so it makes sense that some of that Nazi blood has remained to this day.

Then again, they say that the father of the current US president is a pure German, so some of the methods he implements are not very strange if you go back some 80 years into the past.

     

Do you live in the United States Lucius?  Just curious.

he does not ,

and the issue is very simple.

if illegal immigration is wrong.  then every state that has sanctuary is in an act of open rebellion against the federal government.

soooo why doesn’t don the man lock up all the governors of all the sanctuary states and put them on trial?

less people to arrest don’t need to run the icemen all over the states.

to me the donald is at a fail point by not grabbing 1 governor at a time or all the governors at once and putting them on trial.

the crux of the issue is a state allowed to declare itself as a sanctuary state or not.


seems to me that this is actually a civil war happening as I type.

and I do not understand why The donald does not come to my state and arrest mikie sherril for allowing the executive order signed by murph the surf in 2019 to stay on the books.

if he did that either he would win in court or lose and then we would have real legit sanctuary states or criminal goverments that need to be jailed.

i truly think the don is at a major fail here by not going after the various governments that declared they are a sanctuary state.

btw i think the democrats favoring illegal immigration’s are fuck8ng nuts 🥜.

.....

Maybe he wanna avoid the risk losing in court...

And if he won, the illegals would have to be deported anyways

If he got that ruling in court he would be able to fully mobilize against any sanctuary state.

IE think Lincoln and the civil war.

People don't understand the issue a sanctuary state or city is weaponizing illegals against actual citizens.

Mostly via economic war but also via crime from gangs.

Also if you are a non white and or you have an accent many think you are an illegal even if you did all the right things to become legal and you do have a passport..

Just ask your self would you willing ling let people sneak into your home while are at work. Let them use your resources with out permission.

Thats what a sanctuary state is doing via a governors signature on a piece of paper.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[OutOfMemory]

I'm reading some news today...

Fake knews or real knews?
Who knews?

 

I mean, DUDE!
Why the fuck don't you just look at THE HAND before spreading fake AI-pics like this one?
Do you think this guy has only three knuckles (and either 3 or 5 fingers) on his right hand?
The arm-to-hand posture is unnatural, and if i'd look more closely i'd find some other AI errors in this "photograph".
(EDIT: I actually did and already wanted to cry out loud after looking at the watch and chin...)
Is it only me? I know, details tend to sting in my eyes before my brain "assembles" the whole picture in my mind, but i don't believe that even more than 50% who actually look (at hands in this case, as mostly with this kind of "photographs" of people), are missing those details.

However, this fake "photograph" trend really seems to get a problem. Every other pic has to be checked for AI already. This makes reading the web, especially on "news sites" pretty complicated and unnatural. Or do i suffer from some kind of "fake-news-paranoia"?

[Biodom]

Comparative WO-ology:

To me, this market "feels" like 2018.

In 2018, upon the first 68-70% decline from 20K to about 6.4K, market stabilized for quite a long time (from about June to Nov), only to undergo another 50% decline to about 3.2K minimum in Nov-Dec.

If this market would "rhyme": we had an initial 36-37% decline, now we are in a range, maybe.
Let's say, middle of the range is 89K. Therefore, this analogy suggests stability for maybe 4-5 months (this timing is not important, though) and then a sharp decline of another 20% or so. Numbers are smaller than in 2018 because the climb was much shallower.
20% decline from 89K is $71.2K, slightly undercutting the first "tariff" drop.

71.2K vs 126K is a 43.5% "bear", which would be quite "bear-able".

TL;DR Judging by the fact that markets seem to be "stuck", we are in a true bear, which would conclude earlier this year than cycle adherents expect.

Excuse me? Or rather...what?

[WatChe]

Comparative WO-ology:

To me, this market "feels" like 2018.

In 2018, upon the first 68-70% decline from 20K to about 6.4K, market stabilized for quite a long time (from about June to Nov), only to undergo another 50% decline to about 3.2K minimum in Nov-Dec.

If this market would "rhyme": we had an initial 36-37% decline, now we are in a range, maybe.
Let's say, middle of the range is 89K. Therefore, this analogy suggests stability for maybe 4-5 months (this timing is not important, though) and then a sharp decline of another 20% or so. Numbers are smaller than in 2018 because the climb was much shallower.
20% decline from 89K is $71.2K, slightly undercutting the first "tariff" drop.

71.2K vs 126K is a 43.5% "bear", which would be quite "bear-able".

TL;DR Judging by the fact that markets seem to be "stuck", we are in a true bear, which would conclude earlier this year than cycle adherents expect.

I remember Dec 2017 ($19k) and Dec 2018($3.5k). Even in 2019, price went mostly under $10k.

I have made a resolve that I will buy maximum if Bitcoin went down to $70k.

Between if price went down to $70k then JJG might win the bet (CMIIW).

[philipma1957]

I loaded a lot 0of btcnow, but what really interests me is the diff chart.

we missed 6 consecutive drops by 1 block we had 5 of 6 drops which is still rare.

mining does not normally get easier to do