[ANN] profit switching auto-exchanging pool - www.middlecoin.com

[Zoella]

Nice try.  Your posts are all negative about middlecoin and positive about hashco.ws.  And yet, where are you mining?  No personal attack in calling you out on it.

"Ad hominem circumstantial points out that someone is in circumstances such that they are disposed to take a particular position. Ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false"

You have done nothing but personally attack, sir. You have no proof of where I've done the lions share of my mining or for why, nor does it have a shred to do with the argument I make that this pools rejects are high and it kills coins in the name of immediate gains.

When all you have left to mine is difficult LTC and a few scrabblers, remember Anubite.

Hahahahaha!

You are such a tool!
^There's a personal attack for you!^

And you would be dead wrong about the high pool rejection rate. Here, I'll help you out.  Based on the last stats from middlecoin...



That's ~3% rejection rate.

Now let's look at your beloved hashco.ws...



That's ~18.6% rejection rate for round #6622
That's ~9.6% rejection rate for round #6621
That's ~16.8% rejection rate for round #6620
Oh look!!! An AWESOME ~5.8% rejection rate for round #6619
Crap, that didn't last long. That's ~15.6% rejection rate for round #6618
That's ~15.4% rejection rate for round #6617

Any more complaints?

[Anubite]

there's only a few viable pools to choose from.. you mention hashcows repeatedly.. it's far from ad hominem..
sounds like configuration, to me.. you could stop wasting your time here and try to solve it based on the myriad suggestions already present in the forum..

I mention Middlecoin on their forums, what of it? Who doesn't compare the two?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

And zoella, you still don't get how irrelevant HC is to this situation. I am talking about MC. I don't mine at HC much either way. You are pulling straw men out now.

 I'm prepping something just for you.

[Cryptos2go]

I thought the 1024 diff was supposed to be temporary? Any news on this situation?

[Zoella]

Oh just shove the wiki links back up your wannabe condescending ass.

You claimed high rejection rates.

PROVE IT.

[Zoella]

I thought the 1024 diff was supposed to be temporary? Any news on this situation?

I haven't seen anything, but I can't say it's really bothering me.  I'll admit to being concerned originally, but as so many people pointed out the variance covered it.  No discernible difference in payouts for me.

[dgross0818]

...and after a solid 12 hours or so of awesome silence the posts are back haha

My hashrate has been stable (it varies more by the hour than 512 diff, however, averaged across the day, is very accurate), my rejects low, and payout better than what Coinwarz calculates again, so I'm going to let H2O continue to do what he does best. Reading page after page of this (mostly) crap isn't worth his time... not surprised he removed this thread from the MiddleCoin site.

1024 Difficulty doesn't pose any problems unless your config is wrong, or you are a slow miner and getting really unlucky with your shares. What it has done is reduce server load and bring about better stability. I've been getting around 0.013 BTC per MH/s the past two days after making sure my config is correct, which I'll gladly take.

If you are having trouble with the pool then try another and see if the problem is with your equipment or the pool. If your settings work fine on another pool, however, not here, you are still probably still doing something wrong (with regard to 1024 diff), or using the wrong server. Depending on your latency, you will have to find out which works best for you. If you have multiple rigs, set them to different servers for a few days and compare payouts per MH/s (or KH/s)

Also, though it should be obvious, most of us are here for the money... if that means crushing a (probably junk anyway) coin or two then I think most of us are fine with that. There are already WAY too many terrible coins out there, and having so many threatens the legitimacy of the few that have proven (through popular acceptance/great dev teams/solid marketing) that they deserve to be here. If we can kill off junk coins and make money on it, I think that's a bonus. Many serious miners have invested 10k or more in mining equipment - they want an ROI above all else

[Anubite]

Let me also revise. I have falsely included client-side lost shares to coin switches as rejects. They might as well be. I am nearly certain this has to do with the difficulty of 1024.

Collecting data at the moment, will report soon as to why.

[Zoella]

I mine with the same address since August.  
http://www.middlecoin.com/reports/1GNj4fWef5ekNksnkZHbj68YhDc3VEmgL2.html

And my payouts are great for my hashpower...

This stupid conspiracy theory about "old timer" accounts not being paid as much as "new" accounts is worth as much as any of the other countless stupid statements from tealbagger... A whole lot of nothing. Surprised his Blackmailing/Extortionist/Scamming/Stealing ass hasn't been banned from BitcoinTalk already.

Hey Teabagger... I thought you were going to release H2O's private info (you know, Blackmail and Extortion).  Whatever happened to that? It's been weeks since your self-appointed and threatened deadline?

Oh wait, Nevermind, I have you on ignore like all intelligent people should. Go back to your tinfoil hat making and scamming.

i have similar hashrate as you (cgminer says 2.95Mh/s, but i have about 3-4% rejects) and i am getting lower rewards, how is that possible? i like middlecoin, but it sucks that same hashrates are getting very different rewards.

my address is: http://middlecoin.com/reports/1D6dxMt74AxsyP2hZjv3frb3QJGtpKdAJs.html

I used to get 5% rejects... Dialed down my intensity from 20 to 19 per card and CGMiner shows slightly lower Hashrates but also rejects around 1% now. On site it shows higher accepted Hashrate.  So you may want to tweak your settings a bit.  

Also, which servers are you connected to? My rig is pointed to USEast with USWest and EU as failover backups. I also have Qos setup on my router to prioritize the ports for mining.  I'm also on a fairly high speed FiOS connection (75/35). So all of that factors in to my accepted/rejected rate.

I dont get this my hasrate is around 2.250 MH and I am getting half of what Jedimaster us getting and My stats look pretty good , I am on US as primary.. whats the go here?

Read the rest of what I wrote.  Check your accepts vs rejects, your latency to whichever US server you're connecting to.  Play with your CGMiner settings (intensity, thread concurrency, etc). Even router settings (Qos, port forwarding, firewall settings, etc) can have some influence on your reject rate.

Hashrate isn't a catch all here... You need to optimize everything to get the best returns. This goes for any pool but is especially important with coin switching pools like Middlecoin.

What if I were to tell you me Reject were under 2% around 1.69% In 2 days only 1 GF and STale is very low under 0.5%

What does this mean


Primary is middlecoin.com

Seconday is Eu.middlecoin.com

 Have restarted CGminer for 2 days so far.

gtraah,

It's been said many times that uswest (middlecoin.com) is less profitable than useast.  I can only assume that means it is also less profitable than eu since eu and useast are both supposed to be running the new beta software (while uswest is running the older).  Try making eu or useast your primary based on latency.

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For those of you who have tweaked your settings since the 1024 diff increase.. What have you changed in your settings?  I haven't changed any thing on my system yet.. Its still chugging along OK, just curious if there's something I should take another look at.

[Zoella]

...and after a solid 12 hours or so of awesome silence the posts are back haha

My hashrate has been stable (it varies more by the hour than 512 diff, however, averaged across the day, is very accurate), my rejects low, and payout better than what Coinwarz calculates again, so I'm going to let H2O continue to do what he does best. Reading page after page of this (mostly) crap isn't worth his time... not surprised he removed this thread from the MiddleCoin site.

1024 Difficulty doesn't pose any problems unless your config is wrong, or you are a slow miner and getting really unlucky with your shares. What it has done is reduce server load and bring about better stability. I've been getting around 0.013 BTC per MH/s the past two days after making sure my config is correct, which I'll gladly take.

If you are having trouble with the pool then try another and see if the problem is with your equipment or the pool. If your settings work fine on another pool, however, not here, you are still probably still doing something wrong (with regard to 1024 diff), or using the wrong server. Depending on your latency, you will have to find out which works best for you. If you have multiple rigs, set them to different servers for a few days and compare payouts per MH/s (or KH/s)

Also, though it should be obvious, most of us are here for the money... if that means crushing a (probably junk anyway) coin or two then I think most of us are fine with that. There are already WAY too many terrible coins out there, and having so many threatens the legitimacy of the few that have proven (through popular acceptance/great dev teams/solid marketing) that they deserve to be here. If we can kill off junk coins and make money on it, I think that's a bonus. Many serious miners have invested 10k or more in mining equipment - they want an ROI above all else

Excellent points, all.

[Zoella]

For those of you who have tweaked your settings since the 1024 diff increase.. What have you changed in your settings?  I haven't changed any thing on my system yet.. Its still chugging along OK, just curious if there's something I should take another look at.

My final setting as of a few hours ago are similar to my original setting.  I dropped intensity from 19 to 18, and increased TC from 24000 to 24192.  I seem to have dropped about 15KH, but gained about 60WU.  I've also gone from approximately 5-7% reject rate to 0.38%.  Granted this has only been running a few hours on one 7950, but I'm going to see where it sits after 24.

 (5s):638.4K (avg):635.4Kh/s | A:270336  R:1024  HW:0  WU:643.8/m

[falsealarm_bf]

...and after a solid 12 hours or so of awesome silence the posts are back haha

My hashrate has been stable (it varies more by the hour than 512 diff, however, averaged across the day, is very accurate), my rejects low, and payout better than what Coinwarz calculates again, so I'm going to let H2O continue to do what he does best. Reading page after page of this (mostly) crap isn't worth his time... not surprised he removed this thread from the MiddleCoin site.

1024 Difficulty doesn't pose any problems unless your config is wrong, or you are a slow miner and getting really unlucky with your shares. What it has done is reduce server load and bring about better stability. I've been getting around 0.013 BTC per MH/s the past two days after making sure my config is correct, which I'll gladly take.

If you are having trouble with the pool then try another and see if the problem is with your equipment or the pool. If your settings work fine on another pool, however, not here, you are still probably still doing something wrong (with regard to 1024 diff), or using the wrong server. Depending on your latency, you will have to find out which works best for you. If you have multiple rigs, set them to different servers for a few days and compare payouts per MH/s (or KH/s)

Also, though it should be obvious, most of us are here for the money... if that means crushing a (probably junk anyway) coin or two then I think most of us are fine with that. There are already WAY too many terrible coins out there, and having so many threatens the legitimacy of the few that have proven (through popular acceptance/great dev teams/solid marketing) that they deserve to be here. If we can kill off junk coins and make money on it, I think that's a bonus. Many serious miners have invested 10k or more in mining equipment - they want an ROI above all else

Excellent points, all.

What part of that last paragraph is "excellent"? With that mindset I should be supporting companies that mine and sell conflict diamonds just because they invested in it and want to see an ROI? This is not the crusades, or the wild west and your investment does not give you a license to kill. The longer we can remain on the right side of ethics and help stabilize this market, the quicker the cryptocurrency usage will pickup.

[Zoella]

...and after a solid 12 hours or so of awesome silence the posts are back haha

My hashrate has been stable (it varies more by the hour than 512 diff, however, averaged across the day, is very accurate), my rejects low, and payout better than what Coinwarz calculates again, so I'm going to let H2O continue to do what he does best. Reading page after page of this (mostly) crap isn't worth his time... not surprised he removed this thread from the MiddleCoin site.

1024 Difficulty doesn't pose any problems unless your config is wrong, or you are a slow miner and getting really unlucky with your shares. What it has done is reduce server load and bring about better stability. I've been getting around 0.013 BTC per MH/s the past two days after making sure my config is correct, which I'll gladly take.

If you are having trouble with the pool then try another and see if the problem is with your equipment or the pool. If your settings work fine on another pool, however, not here, you are still probably still doing something wrong (with regard to 1024 diff), or using the wrong server. Depending on your latency, you will have to find out which works best for you. If you have multiple rigs, set them to different servers for a few days and compare payouts per MH/s (or KH/s)

Also, though it should be obvious, most of us are here for the money... if that means crushing a (probably junk anyway) coin or two then I think most of us are fine with that. There are already WAY too many terrible coins out there, and having so many threatens the legitimacy of the few that have proven (through popular acceptance/great dev teams/solid marketing) that they deserve to be here. If we can kill off junk coins and make money on it, I think that's a bonus. Many serious miners have invested 10k or more in mining equipment - they want an ROI above all else

Excellent points, all.

What part of that last paragraph is "excellent"? With that mindset I should be supporting companies that mine and sell conflict diamonds just because they invested in it and want to see an ROI? This is not the crusades, or the wild west and your investment does not give you a license to kill. The longer we can remain on the right side of ethics and help stabilize this market, the quicker the cryptocurrency usage will pickup.

In your rather, umm...daft analogy, these shitty altcoins would be the glass imitation gemstone crap you see on TV shopping channels.

I completely agree with dgross0818 that there are way too many shitty coins out there diluting the market and giving legitimate cryptocurrencies a bad name.  There are no ethics from pump & dump joke coins.

[csf3lih]

I have made an Android application for Middlecoin in my spare time. If you would like to BETA test it feel free to try it out. Would love to hear about your thoughts.

Please as this is an early build, the first time you run the program let it download and process the statistic from Middlecoin.com (currently no progress bar, could take a while) until you get the "Download Complete" message before you add addresses, search and check pool statistics. Thanks.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2j3od21.png

http://i40.tinypic.com/33c84xz.png

http://i44.tinypic.com/xft2fd.png

http://i40.tinypic.com/24yvj3d.png

Download: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7wywf3

Untested but should work from Android 3.0

hi
nice work, thanks for the app.
I have tested it on android 4.4.2 . It works well.
It would be nice to have some graphs, like the other app "Middlecoin".
My computer sometimes crashes and it would be nice to have a notification when there are no submitted shares in a given period, or when the speed goes below a given value.

Thanks

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it!
Yes I agree about the graphs. Will be looking into it when I have some spare time. Notification and/or a widget would also be quite nice. The challange is that the file cointaining statistics for the users is quite large, like 2.8mb. That would be a lot to download continuously on for example 3G.
Will be looking at it how these said thing could be implemented. Thanks for trying it out!

Thank you so much for this great app, android 4.3 here, works like a charm.
Would be great if you could add total paidout, total balance(=balance+unexchanged+immature), and if its not much of trouble, also income per day(=total paidout/days), per week, estimated income per month maybe.
These would be very helpful, as I dont need to take out my cal and do the math myself

[kalus]

What part of that last paragraph is "excellent"? With that mindset I should be supporting companies that mine and sell conflict diamonds just because they invested in it and want to see an ROI? This is not the crusades, or the wild west and your investment does not give you a license to kill. The longer we can remain on the right side of ethics and help stabilize this market, the quicker the cryptocurrency usage will pickup.

your analogy of middlecoin being a conflict diamond miner is incoherent.

nobody is dying if we mine a coin.

child laborers are not used to mine coins.

middlecoin is not a cartel that controls the world's supply of altcoins to manipulate the market and maximize profit.

This is not the crusades

let me know how you equate middlecoin mining a coin with the fucking CRUSADES.  holy fuck between 1-3MILLION people died during the crusades.  

your investment does not give you a license to kill.

True, but nobody's fucking killing anybody.  

let me know if you come up with the middlecoin bodycount.  sheesh.  

[Anubite]

If we can kill off junk coins and make money on it, I think that's a bonus.

I can agree on that, sounds epic. Do you feel middlecoin will make the best decisions about which are pump'n'dump scamcoins to kill off and which are quality coins having implementations and advantages over LTC and BTC?

__

On to my reception and overview of 1024 pool difficulty.

For those of us with sub 2mh/s rigs, I feel we suffer. It takes my r9 290x at 962 kh/s anywhere from 45 seconds to over 2 minutes to complete one packet of work. It frequently takes my nVidia rig at 230kh/s over 10 minutes.

It appears that when a coin switches, that whole packet of work is rendered useless as cgminer starts to work on the new coin. If the coins switch enough, this adds up BIG TIME.

Below is an image of my hashing at MC.
Orange stars = Before diff 1024
Green Star = After



After having done absolutely nothing to my rigs, why else could this be happening?

[Cryptos2go]

I thought the 1024 diff was supposed to be temporary? Any news on this situation?

I haven't seen anything, but I can't say it's really bothering me.  I'll admit to being concerned originally, but as so many people pointed out the variance covered it.  No discernible difference in payouts for me.

I can't say I'm seeing any problems with my returns from the farm as a whole, mostly just curious.

...and after a solid 12 hours or so of awesome silence the posts are back haha

My hashrate has been stable (it varies more by the hour than 512 diff, however, averaged across the day, is very accurate), my rejects low, and payout better than what Coinwarz calculates again, so I'm going to let H2O continue to do what he does best. Reading page after page of this (mostly) crap isn't worth his time... not surprised he removed this thread from the MiddleCoin site.

1024 Difficulty doesn't pose any problems unless your config is wrong, or you are a slow miner and getting really unlucky with your shares. What it has done is reduce server load and bring about better stability. I've been getting around 0.013 BTC per MH/s the past two days after making sure my config is correct, which I'll gladly take.

If you are having trouble with the pool then try another and see if the problem is with your equipment or the pool. If your settings work fine on another pool, however, not here, you are still probably still doing something wrong (with regard to 1024 diff), or using the wrong server. Depending on your latency, you will have to find out which works best for you. If you have multiple rigs, set them to different servers for a few days and compare payouts per MH/s (or KH/s)

Also, though it should be obvious, most of us are here for the money... if that means crushing a (probably junk anyway) coin or two then I think most of us are fine with that. There are already WAY too many terrible coins out there, and having so many threatens the legitimacy of the few that have proven (through popular acceptance/great dev teams/solid marketing) that they deserve to be here. If we can kill off junk coins and make money on it, I think that's a bonus. Many serious miners have invested 10k or more in mining equipment - they want an ROI above all else

I'm also getting .013 btc/mh/s from the farm as a whole, but my slower rigs don't seem to be doing as well. The 3x 270 rig didn't come online before the 1024 diff so I cant say for sure though.

It would be nice to have support for different threads per gpu (1vs2) in cgminer (3.7.2?) so I could try consolidating some of these slower cards with the faster ones.

This pool has mostly always been good to me since I started mining here last July.
 

[csf3lih]

For those of you who have tweaked your settings since the 1024 diff increase.. What have you changed in your settings?  I haven't changed any thing on my system yet.. Its still chugging along OK, just curious if there's something I should take another look at.

My final setting as of a few hours ago are similar to my original setting.  I dropped intensity from 19 to 18, and increased TC from 24000 to 24192.  I seem to have dropped about 15KH, but gained about 60WU.  I've also gone from approximately 5-7% reject rate to 0.38%.  Granted this has only been running a few hours on one 7950, but I'm going to see where it sits after 24.

 (5s):638.4K (avg):635.4Kh/s | A:270336  R:1024  HW:0  WU:643.8/m

Finally a constructive post, thank you. My 7950's rejects rate decreased 3% after I changed I from 20 to 19, and the hash is down by just 10kh. I will try increase TC from 24000 to 24192 and down I by 1 as you did. see if that improves re furthermore.

[Zoella]

Anubite,

Please just TRY playing with your configuration. Your image is completely irrelevant. This rig is running 3 little 7850's.



This rig hasn't been touched since the switch, and it is running fine.

You're blaming the pool when it OBVIOUS there is something wrong with your rig.

And just to be curious, are you really trying to blame the pool on stats from what, an hour?!?!

[Zoella]

For those of you who have tweaked your settings since the 1024 diff increase.. What have you changed in your settings?  I haven't changed any thing on my system yet.. Its still chugging along OK, just curious if there's something I should take another look at.

My final setting as of a few hours ago are similar to my original setting.  I dropped intensity from 19 to 18, and increased TC from 24000 to 24192.  I seem to have dropped about 15KH, but gained about 60WU.  I've also gone from approximately 5-7% reject rate to 0.38%.  Granted this has only been running a few hours on one 7950, but I'm going to see where it sits after 24.

 (5s):638.4K (avg):635.4Kh/s | A:270336  R:1024  HW:0  WU:643.8/m

Finally a constructive post, thank you. My 7950's rejects rate decreased 3% after I changed I from 20 to 19, and the hash is down by just 10kh. I will try increase TC from 24000 to 24192 and down I by 1 as you did. see if that improves re furthermore.

Glad I could help. I remember reading that the TC was normally best when divisible by the number of stream processors, but everybody seemed to get the best performance at 14000 so that's where I started.  I then tried 12,13,14, and 15, but 13.5 * 1792 seemed to work out best so far. Here's my full arg string.  Let me know if you see anything I should tweak further after your testing!

-I 18 -g 1 -w 256 --lookup-gap 2 --thread-concurrency 24192 --gpu-powertune 20 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-memclock 1450 --temp-target 80 --auto-fan