Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013

[greaterninja]

Yifu: exactly how are you going to compensate chip orders that are after June 1st seeing how they are already very late based on the NO BS terms of sale?

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June 1st is now exactly 13 weeks in the past.

form says 15th, typo in the newsletter. I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no? if they do not arrive we'll work out something else.

Are there any chances that those chips will not arrive and will not be sent out on Wednesday?... what percentage of a chance would you give it?  70% chance it will happen?     Sorry for all of the questions!


EDIT: And do you have anything else in mind when you say you'll work something out if they do not arrive?  have you planned for this, just in case they do not?

update timeline, give refunds to those that request it? I don't think anything changes. though, I highly doubt something will happen to it, since they are from the testing facility, it's not like I'm waiting for customs this time, but I've learn to not make promises for third parties. we'll deal with it as it happens.

BitSyncom, It would be very nice if you added my trade-ins to my store account instead of sitting on your ass on this issue for months.  While you are at it finish adding other Avalon users trade-ins and process them.  I have no fucking clue why you take so long on this.  I've PM'd, Texted, created tickets, sent emails, sent SMS, called. 

[BitSyncom]

I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no?

How can you be so sleazy? Chips are not half a week late, they are 10 1/2 weeks late. You've broken your no-bullshit agreement, refund everybody who are fucked by your incompetence and keep your worthless chips to yourself. Or you can sell them on Alibaba, you seem to have mastered that distribution channel.

they are ordered on june 15th, not due june 15th... the lead time is 10 weeks, so yes, 1/2 weeks late is correct.

[kevinm]

dude needs to compensate everyone who he royally screwed over or he will face the wrath of angry bitcoin tech nerds

I would imagine that some angry bitcoin tech nerds are really evil, resourceful and tenacious bastards.

cheers,
kev

[itod]

I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no?

How can you be so sleazy? Chips are not half a week late, they are 10 1/2 weeks late. You've broken your no-bullshit agreement, refund everybody who are fucked by your incompetence and keep your worthless chips to yourself. Or you can sell them on Alibaba, you seem to have mastered that distribution channel.

they are ordered on june 15th, not due june 15th... the lead time is 10 weeks, so yes, 1/2 weeks late is correct.

If you ship them on wednesday, there's no chance anyone can receive them before monday, September 9th. That's more than 12 weeks:
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?d1=15&m1=06&y1=2013&d2=09&m2=09&y2=2013
I have nothing else to say but you don't have enough ethics not only to fulfill past promises but also what you've promised day before yesterday.

[Unacceptable]

I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no?

How can you be so sleazy? Chips are not half a week late, they are 10 1/2 weeks late. You've broken your no-bullshit agreement, refund everybody who are fucked by your incompetence and keep your worthless chips to yourself. Or you can sell them on Alibaba, you seem to have mastered that distribution channel.

they are ordered on june 15th, not due june 15th... the lead time is 10 weeks, so yes, 1/2 weeks late is correct.

Ahhh,So..we place an order for ASIC chips on June 15th 2013,then YOU have 10 weeks to get the order in to the chip fab ? Not delivery in 10 weeks.........??

[dmcdad]

I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no?

How can you be so sleazy? Chips are not half a week late, they are 10 1/2 weeks late. You've broken your no-bullshit agreement, refund everybody who are fucked by your incompetence and keep your worthless chips to yourself. Or you can sell them on Alibaba, you seem to have mastered that distribution channel.

they are ordered on june 15th, not due june 15th... the lead time is 10 weeks, so yes, 1/2 weeks late is correct.

Dude you need to learn how to read a calendar. 10 weeks after June 15h is August 24th. You know, one week ago. So they will be *at least* 1 1/2 weeks late. Most likely much later because you never seem to be able to deliver anywhere near the dates you say. But here is a tip that will help next time: sell the chips to the people that ordered them using a FIFO queue, not a priority queue based on $.

[dmcdad]

I think the problem is Yifu has all these worthless chips coming in next week and he doesn't know what to do with them. I've got a great idea of a place he can shove them all.

[mmitech]

I think the problem is Yifu has all these worthless chips coming in next week and he doesn't know what to do with them. I've got a great idea of a place he can shove them all.

do you think his ass can handle all those chips ?

[dmcdad]

I think the problem is Yifu has all these worthless chips coming in next week and he doesn't know what to do with them. I've got a great idea of a place he can shove them all.

do you think his ass can handle all those chips ?

It'll help balance out his chi.

[Bitcoinorama]

Yifu care to tell the community about Andrew Laurus?

[Xialla]

[RoadStress]

I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no?

How can you be so sleazy? Chips are not half a week late, they are 10 1/2 weeks late. You've broken your no-bullshit agreement, refund everybody who are fucked by your incompetence and keep your worthless chips to yourself. Or you can sell them on Alibaba, you seem to have mastered that distribution channel.

they are ordered on june 15th, not due june 15th... the lead time is 10 weeks, so yes, 1/2 weeks late is correct.

What about zefir's batches? He ordered them in april. Where are the 10 weeks? Third batch was ordered on 20 April. 10 weeks means 29 June! So?

[Xialla]

What about zefir's batches? He ordered them in april. Where are the 10 weeks? Third batch was ordered on 20 April. 10 weeks means 29 June! So?

you really expect answer from this chinese motherfucker? cmooon

[Pompobit]

What about zefir's batches? He ordered them in april. Where are the 10 weeks? Third batch was ordered on 20 April. 10 weeks means 29 June! So?

you really expect answer from this chinese motherfucker? cmooon

please avoid chinese from your insults, racism doesn't help. Just use moherfucker

[SebastianJu]

The form says: "The order has to be made before june 15ths" So only when a batch was ordered after that date it cant be refunded yet. Luckily after the form was changed from 1st to 15ths we can refund 50000 of our 56000 chips.

Man, im tired to defend myself to people that doesnt even bother if their claims are true.

I wonder if this is exactly how Bitsyncom feels.  Don't mean to kick the hornet's nest, but there's a lot of speculation and accusation going on in this thread and others that is generally baseless as hell.  The only two gripes we REALLY have are that the chips weren't delivered on time and Yifu has been very begrudging with information on his side.  All this talk about reselling chips and making insane profits and mining with CHIPS that have to be SODERED ONTO A BOARD before they work is just that; talk.  Can we please maintain a level head in all of this?  Yifu has already stated he's looking into refunds.  That's an acknowledgement that shit went wrong and an attempt to rectify the situation.  Can all the crazy people take a break for a little while so the grownups can sort shit out please?

The thing is how Yifu handled this. First no support. I found it ok that he gives no technical support but that he stops communicating on business relationship communication at all was real stress.

Then he came up with the excuse that 20 batches are in customs since 2 weeks. But the batches were due since 5 weeks already and 20 batches are nothing. We know he ordered all batches after 5 weeks, so he knew it will take 4-5 weeks to create and get the chips. Sounds ok since he created chips before.

Then we see images of many chips. Why should they exist if there are no miners to create yet? And they exist at a time matching when our chips should be ready in an amount that could match the ordered batches? Random? And why does chinese resellers can deliver since yifu cant? If he couldnt produce so many chips he had to stop selling them.

Because of no communication someone tried to personally ask and visited the parents of an employee. Yifu was so scared that he had to stop work and start creating security? Someone mentioned he now has bodyguards. So the fact he did not communicate, no support and not even announcements lead to customers search him and the solution is to protect against his customers?

Im sick of thinking of all the errors he made. And yes, the biggest error is his communication. He denied to me to hire a support person because the team is small and will remain small. That was it for him. Is this how a business person should decide?

We dont know what happened, true. But if its not his fault then it would be so very easy to describe everything that happened and that wasnt in his might to change. But he doesnt. Im not sure what problem he has but the stress and work he put on me... i cant forget. I wont order anything from him again.

[peterepeat]

Hi Yifu,
 I am still waiting for my batch 3 refund for order 6997.
Could you please process the payment?
Thanks

[Humax]

you really expect answer from this chinese motherfucker? cmooon

yeah..... just help us remember next time when we want to order miners, we should order from BFL, an US company! 

[Bitcoinorama]

you really expect answer from this chinese motherfucker? cmooon

yeah..... just help us remember next time when we want to order miners, we should order from BFL, an US company! 

Umm...Bitsyncom IS a US company.

[alfabitcoin]

The form says: "The order has to be made before june 15ths" So only when a batch was ordered after that date it cant be refunded yet. Luckily after the form was changed from 1st to 15ths we can refund 50000 of our 56000 chips.

Man, im tired to defend myself to people that doesnt even bother if their claims are true.

I wonder if this is exactly how Bitsyncom feels.  Don't mean to kick the hornet's nest, but there's a lot of speculation and accusation going on in this thread and others that is generally baseless as hell.  The only two gripes we REALLY have are that the chips weren't delivered on time and Yifu has been very begrudging with information on his side.  All this talk about reselling chips and making insane profits and mining with CHIPS that have to be SODERED ONTO A BOARD before they work is just that; talk.  Can we please maintain a level head in all of this?  Yifu has already stated he's looking into refunds.  That's an acknowledgement that shit went wrong and an attempt to rectify the situation.  Can all the crazy people take a break for a little while so the grownups can sort shit out please?

The thing is how Yifu handled this. First no support. I found it ok that he gives no technical support but that he stops communicating on business relationship communication at all was real stress.

Then he came up with the excuse that 20 batches are in customs since 2 weeks. But the batches were due since 5 weeks already and 20 batches are nothing. We know he ordered all batches after 5 weeks, so he knew it will take 4-5 weeks to create and get the chips. Sounds ok since he created chips before.

Then we see images of many chips. Why should they exist if there are no miners to create yet? And they exist at a time matching when our chips should be ready in an amount that could match the ordered batches? Random? And why does chinese resellers can deliver since yifu cant? If he couldnt produce so many chips he had to stop selling them.

Because of no communication someone tried to personally ask and visited the parents of an employee. Yifu was so scared that he had to stop work and start creating security? Someone mentioned he now has bodyguards. So the fact he did not communicate, no support and not even announcements lead to customers search him and the solution is to protect against his customers?

Im sick of thinking of all the errors he made. And yes, the biggest error is his communication. He denied to me to hire a support person because the team is small and will remain small. That was it for him. Is this how a business person should decide?

We dont know what happened, true. But if its not his fault then it would be so very easy to describe everything that happened and that wasnt in his might to change. But he doesnt. Im not sure what problem he has but the stress and work he put on me... i cant forget. I wont order anything from him again.

Hear hear Sebastian.
We had our share of talk about chips in May if you remember. How stressed we were and thought that each day count and who order early will get chips first. I am in EU and missed to order on your batch 1 so I ordered from Steamboat who is from US and has batch order the same date as your batch #1!! Now with assambly I'am due to pay 25% VAT and expensive shipping to EU. Terrible. Its not much but I speak for principles. And what about BKK, Steamboat, Terrahash and many other who basicly funded their operation with customers money!? There is no emotions in business, nobody forced them, I know, but still just imagine!

If bitsyncom does not grow in customer support and offer at least appology to DIY comunity and maybe consider some reimbursement in future we should boycot them.

[SebastianJu]

By the way... the refund form is an invitation for scammers. Before i had read the avalon news i already had confirmation emails asking for confirmation to refund 2 of our batches to another persons Address. I have to clear this tomorrow, of course i didnt fall for this but i hope no one other does in the heat. The batch 3 miner form was better i think.