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[SimonBeCoinin]

Alpha is still lying to their customers

"This is not the case, our terms clearly present our shipping dates as targets and not guarantees. We are of course as regretful of this delay as you are as such we are trying to do whatever  we can afford to do to make up for it and at the moment it looks like loyalty bonus payments is the best way."

https://forum.alpha-t.net/index.php?topic=1003.75


but:
"Shipping  Booked shipments will be delivered within Q2/Q3 of Year 2014. Live updates shall be provided on exact shipping date. Shipping is worldwide."

http://www.abunchacrap.com/Alpha01052014/AlphaTerms010520141.html


No word of beeing a "target". As stated in their T&C Alphanoobs even provided this exact shipping date with their update on 20th June:
https://alpha-t.net/news/viper-update-20062014/
"We will also be releasing a full guide on how to use the miners both with the WebGUI and without it before shipment (which will begin somewhere from the 15th-31st of July). "

Of course it's bullshit.  those are good sources.

He also referred to September in a coindesk article  http://www.coindesk.com/alpha-technology-blames-paypal-dispute-bitcoin-asic-delivery-delay/


"Speaking to CoinDesk, Akram said that the company had the necessary funds to ship all the hardware its customers had ordered, and that its initial terms of sale stated products might not ship until the end of Q3 (September)"





and in an update that went out via e-mail and on their site https://alpha-t.net/news/development-update-28072014/

"In the interest of there being no confusion, July while it was our genuine expectation, is not mentioned in our terms. As a result of this we have decided to announce shipping to be September as per our terms"



They've missed their date(s).  The promised July and missed that.  The hard date was September as per their own update and they've missed that also.  They can argue it but it's going nowhere, as their own words today contradict their own words yesterday. 

None of that about delivery dates changes the basic premise, however, that they are in violation of consumer laws.  The DSR does apply, whether they'd like it to or not, and that really is the end of it.  They can try that BS about B2B sales to try to say that consumers are not consumers, but they never said that ahead of time which is, in itself, seemingly a material omission of fact and therefore in violation of yet another law which prohibits just such an action.

hell common sense says you can't do something like that after the fact.  that they are obviously doing it to try to strip consumers of their rights won't likely play well with the courts either.

anyone that wants their money back has a clear shot, IMO.  I'm not saying it will be easy and that there won't be pushback, but the facts and the law seem to be squarely on the side of the consumer on this and I think they well know it.

[pw4x3r]

I had this HUGE feeling the Mohammad bitch would say something exactly like this!!!!

"Target date" and not "guarantee"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD LUCK BITCH! The whole community is coming for your nutsack. Some for your head.

[AlphaScotlandYard]

I had this HUGE feeling the Mohammad bitch would say something exactly like this!!!!

"Target date" and not "guarantee"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD LUCK BITCH! The whole community is coming for your nutsack. Some for your head.

I just contacted Paypal.
You are not going to believe this. They have no record of any calls complaining about Alpha Technology.
Zero. Nothing on file. Mine is now the first noting of a concern.
This might be what you see in these reality singing competitions where you just hope your favourite gets through and nobody votes and they get knocked off.
Paypal said we are not covered under the days passed since ordering and also if you only paid a deposit as they don't cover part payments.

However they did say they may be able to reverse that stance if enough people called with a concern.
I stated I was concerned this money may be put towards illegal even terrorist acts. Which has been noted.
No prototype no video no nothing.
Within 1 minute of me explaining the situation the Paypal rep said this is a clear scam. Even laughed at the Scheme angle.
So if you really want to kick this in the NUTSACK call Paypal say you want a full investigation and your call noted and added to existing complaints on this company.
Hey maybe Alpha Technology are legit. Either way its time to find out. We paid them they work for us.

[SimonBeCoinin]

I had this HUGE feeling the Mohammad bitch would say something exactly like this!!!!

"Target date" and not "guarantee"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD LUCK BITCH! The whole community is coming for your nutsack. Some for your head.

I just contacted Paypal.
You are not going to believe this. They have no record of any calls complaining about Alpha Technology.
Zero. Nothing on file. Mine is now the first noting of a concern.
This might be what you see in these reality singing competitions where you just hope your favourite gets through and nobody votes and they get knocked off.
Paypal said we are not covered under the days passed since ordering and also if you only paid a deposit as they don't cover part payments.

However they did say they may be able to reverse that stance if enough people called with a concern.
I stated I was concerned this money may be put towards illegal even terrorist acts. Which has been noted.
No prototype no video no nothing.
Within 1 minute of me explaining the situation the Paypal rep said this is a clear scam. Even laughed at the Scheme angle.
So if you really want to kick this in the NUTSACK call Paypal say you want a full investigation and your call noted and added to existing complaints on this company.
Hey maybe Alpha Technology are legit. Either way its time to find out. We paid them they work for us.

Hmm.  I know that is not the case.  I talked to them.  I've e-mailed back and forth with them also.  I was complaining as well as pointing out how they were trying to skirt consumer laws.  I got the same basic response of 'umm, they can't do that'

the question is how to amp it up so they have to acknowledge it and get it in their 'system' or whatever.

[AlphaScotlandYard]

I had this HUGE feeling the Mohammad bitch would say something exactly like this!!!!

"Target date" and not "guarantee"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD LUCK BITCH! The whole community is coming for your nutsack. Some for your head.

I just contacted Paypal.
You are not going to believe this. They have no record of any calls complaining about Alpha Technology.
Zero. Nothing on file. Mine is now the first noting of a concern.
This might be what you see in these reality singing competitions where you just hope your favourite gets through and nobody votes and they get knocked off.
Paypal said we are not covered under the days passed since ordering and also if you only paid a deposit as they don't cover part payments.

However they did say they may be able to reverse that stance if enough people called with a concern.
I stated I was concerned this money may be put towards illegal even terrorist acts. Which has been noted.
No prototype no video no nothing.
Within 1 minute of me explaining the situation the Paypal rep said this is a clear scam. Even laughed at the Scheme angle.
So if you really want to kick this in the NUTSACK call Paypal say you want a full investigation and your call noted and added to existing complaints on this company.
Hey maybe Alpha Technology are legit. Either way its time to find out. We paid them they work for us.

Hmm.  I know that is not the case.  I talked to them.  I've e-mailed back and forth with them also.  I was complaining as well as pointing out how they were trying to skirt consumer laws.  I got the same basic response of 'umm, they can't do that'

the question is how to amp it up so they have to acknowledge it and get it in their 'system' or whatever.

Yeah man I know its not the case but its what they told me. I know people have called up also.
The only way to amp it re paypal is to call again and ask for it to be added to the Alpha Tech complaint file they are now aware of the failing to meet delivery and expecting calls.
So everyone who can call please call paypal ove the next few days so it emphasises the imperative msg that these funds may be up to no good.

[hm]

The only way to amp it re paypal is to call again and ask for it to be added to the Alpha Tech complaint file they are now aware of the failing to meet delivery and expecting calls.
So everyone who can call please call paypal ove the next few days so it emphasises the imperative msg that these funds may be up to no good.

You could also try to write to the now-CEO of Paypal, John Donahoe.
When others asked then-CEO David Marcus for a refund of Butterfly Labs orders, I did too and it was successful, even though the 45 days period was long over.

[vesperwillow]

Flood them with emails, calls and send them something via post. All of you, not just a handful. You will get attention swiftly in this manner, and if enough do it, it could even be marked as a scam on a business level, and would be broadcast to other financial institutions.

[erok]

I'm just gonna put this here...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alpha-Viper-Scrypt-LTC-DOGE-FTC-WDC-DGC-ASIC-as-fast-as-50x-AMD-Radeon-290x-/261611326564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce9400c64

[anderl]

The only way to amp it re paypal is to call again and ask for it to be added to the Alpha Tech complaint file they are now aware of the failing to meet delivery and expecting calls.
So everyone who can call please call paypal ove the next few days so it emphasises the imperative msg that these funds may be up to no good.

You could also try to write to the now-CEO of Paypal, John Donahoe.
When others asked then-CEO David Marcus for a refund of Butterfly Labs orders, I did too and it was successful, even though the 45 days period was long over.

Everyone has to file PayPal disputes and post their dispute numbers here.  That way you all can use them as evidence when you escalate the disputes to claims when they are automatically denied.

[soltantgris]

Hey guys - when trying to access Alpha-T website, Im getting warning (in French, sorry) :


Le certificat de sécurité présenté par ce site Web a été émis pour une autre adresse de site Web.
Les problèmes de certificat de sécurité peuvent indiquer une tentative de duperie ou d’interception des données que vous envoyez sur le serveur. 

+++

Wtf ?

[soltantgris]

Oh and I paid 3 Viper using Visa-Paypall, and 2 Viper via Bank wire.

For the 3 with Visa - it's easy to ask for a refund.  But how about the 2 via Bank Wire ?  Some of you tried something ? 

[Kuikens]

It's always easy to ask for a refund.
However getting a refund is another thing...

For the 3 with Visa - it's easy to ask for a refund.

[soltantgris]

Well at least i've the option.

What about wire transfert ?  Do some of you guys did something about that ?

[dekodoge]

Well at least i've the option.

What about wire transfert ?  Do some of you guys did something about that ?

talk to your banks fraud department they might be able to reverse it.

[jrose120]

Well at least i've the option.

What about wire transfert ?  Do some of you guys did something about that ?

I know wire transfers are harder to reverse. They might be able to do something during the first 24 hours, in case it goes to the wrong account? If you get a court order granting you access to their funds, that's probably your only option at this point.  If they don't have the money to give you, you might be SOL. Assuming they emptied their bank accounts.

[anderl]

It is important that when talking to PayPal support to have them escalate to PayPal Protection Services or PayPal Legal.  The reps will only quote the 45 day limit.  They don;t know anything else about what PayPal does.  They couldn't even tell me what the PayPal terms and conditions are for Merchant Preselling, Oh but they are quick to state the 45 day limit rule.  Bunch of monkeys in a cage.

They are not given the permissions to escalate to a claim, so you have to get them to call Protection Services or Legal.  Those guys know exactly what to do.  I spoke to a PayPal rep 2 weeks ago who had to get a supervisor and then a call center manager to finally figure out that yes Protection Services can do reversals after 45 days and even after 6 months.  The supervisor was shocked that it was possible.  WHO knew!!!!

So do not take what the front like reps say as law.  They are just quoting the almighty callcenter tome of knowledge.  They are clueless as to how PayPal really works.

[soltantgris]

X2

The 45 days things is a myth. In AT case, its usually 75 days from the latest day they were supposed to ship. So octobre 1st + 75 days.

[SimonBeCoinin]

It is important that when talking to PayPal support to have them escalate to PayPal Protection Services or PayPal Legal.  The reps will only quote the 45 day limit.  They don;t know anything else about what PayPal does.  They couldn't even tell me what the PayPal terms and conditions are for Merchant Preselling, Oh but they are quick to state the 45 day limit rule.  Bunch of monkeys in a cage.

They are not given the permissions to escalate to a claim, so you have to get them to call Protection Services or Legal.  Those guys know exactly what to do.  I spoke to a PayPal rep 2 weeks ago who had to get a supervisor and then a call center manager to finally figure out that yes Protection Services can do reversals after 45 days and even after 6 months.  The supervisor was shocked that it was possible.  WHO knew!!!!

So do not take what the front like reps say as law.  They are just quoting the almighty callcenter tome of knowledge.  They are clueless as to how PayPal really works.

Exactly.  In reality Paypal is on the side of the seller.  That's where they generate their fees, so they are going to make every attempt to turn you away.

Best bet is to go to your credit card company first if that is at all possible.

[anderl]

It is important that when talking to PayPal support to have them escalate to PayPal Protection Services or PayPal Legal.  The reps will only quote the 45 day limit.  They don;t know anything else about what PayPal does.  They couldn't even tell me what the PayPal terms and conditions are for Merchant Preselling, Oh but they are quick to state the 45 day limit rule.  Bunch of monkeys in a cage.

They are not given the permissions to escalate to a claim, so you have to get them to call Protection Services or Legal.  Those guys know exactly what to do.  I spoke to a PayPal rep 2 weeks ago who had to get a supervisor and then a call center manager to finally figure out that yes Protection Services can do reversals after 45 days and even after 6 months.  The supervisor was shocked that it was possible.  WHO knew!!!!

So do not take what the front like reps say as law.  They are just quoting the almighty callcenter tome of knowledge.  They are clueless as to how PayPal really works.

Exactly.  In reality Paypal is on the side of the seller.  That's where they generate their fees, so they are going to make every attempt to turn you away.

Best bet is to go to your credit card company first if that is at all possible.

On LItecointalk a guy finally got his full deposit with reversed by PayPal.  He escalated to Protection Service and Legal and they finally saw all the complaints.  You just have to keep talking to people at PayPal, don't give up and don't take the Alpha tech we'll refund your 30% if you put down the full 100%.  Alpha still has all the PayPal money frozen so you can get it reversed easily.  The ball is rolling, everyone get on board.

[ljcowned]

It is important that when talking to PayPal support to have them escalate to PayPal Protection Services or PayPal Legal.  The reps will only quote the 45 day limit.  They don;t know anything else about what PayPal does.  They couldn't even tell me what the PayPal terms and conditions are for Merchant Preselling, Oh but they are quick to state the 45 day limit rule.  Bunch of monkeys in a cage.

They are not given the permissions to escalate to a claim, so you have to get them to call Protection Services or Legal.  Those guys know exactly what to do.  I spoke to a PayPal rep 2 weeks ago who had to get a supervisor and then a call center manager to finally figure out that yes Protection Services can do reversals after 45 days and even after 6 months.  The supervisor was shocked that it was possible.  WHO knew!!!!

So do not take what the front like reps say as law.  They are just quoting the almighty callcenter tome of knowledge.  They are clueless as to how PayPal really works.

Total success story: Tada!!!  Unbelievable! I went back to PayPal after reading the above information and pressed PayPal with escalating to their Protection department or PayPal legal, and when I brought this up, the person on the other end said that many more Alpha T customers are on the list and regardless of Alpha T terms of purchase for refunds, since they have not shipped the unit to me and do not have a unit as proof that it exists, I could get my money back NOW !  All I needed to do then was to go to PayPal and transfer the refund they just gave me for my 50Mh ghost unit and put that money back into my bank account!!!!!  ALL DONE.

I did take the time to fully explain the original refund policy of AT. I also made it clear about how AT took final payment and had to stop in July after the CC processor found out they did not have a product to ship. I also told the person that after I paid for my unit in January 2014, that AT sometime much later in the year tried to categorize all of us customers as businesses. The call center PayPal person was aware of all these things and much more negative things about Alpha Technology from many other disputes recently filed by AT customers. She told me that her decision to give me back my money was solely based on no product being able to be shipped at this time. There is no way AT can wiggle out of this one. They had no product to ship by 30 Sep which is painfully admitted in their own recently sent email and post on their site. Regardless of all the other conditions they tried to impose and lies they tried to tell to us, they lose.   The day of their arrogant refusal to give refunds is over for those of us who paid using PayPal.

I suggest that if you used PayPal as payment, regardless of how long ago you made that payment, now is the time to strike and call PayPal back. Ask the call center person to escalate directly to their Protection Services or Legal department and make clear how you paid and never got your unit as promised by AT's own imposed NLT ship date of 30 Sep. You should be able to immediately get your money back.

I am pretty sure that AT is monitoring this site and thread. So if you are, stand by to have to pay back everyone you have misled and deceived since 2013. You would have been much smarter to have just been honest and transparent with your customers, as you site so eloquently states that you do.  The chickens have come home to roost for AT. Strike while the iron is HOT!