Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now!

[maildir]

It may very well be just greed and nothing else, however the overall behaviour displayed has been so incredibly outrageous it borders on the sinister. The sinister can reflect sinister motives. And sinister motives can include what?

[gushes]

Funny thing is that people using paypal. cc or wire transfers are in a much better situation than people using BTC to pay for the promise of scrypt miners  

I paid in full with BTC.  I'm not going to see that money back.  To all the people that have won Judgements... So what?  How the **** are you going to collect?  You have to with X amount of months then go BACK to court to ATTEMPT to have the judge seize assets, which probably don't exist.  Even if the machine arrived at my door step today, it's worth exactly what the scrap metal is worth.  They can not and never will be able to produce more than is consumed by power costs.

Lesson learned: don't use BTC to pay in advance... EVER.  This does, however, point out one important flaw in BTC.  Do not use it with merchants that aren't 100% trustworthy.

[Nullu]

Funny thing is that people using paypal. cc or wire transfers are in a much better situation than people using BTC to pay for the promise of scrypt miners 

Ironic, no?

[brian_23452]

Funny thing is that people using paypal. cc or wire transfers are in a much better situation than people using BTC to pay for the promise of scrypt miners 

Ironic, no?

I think obvious is the better word.

[FollowMe]

Has there been made any judgements via money claims online (or via court) with reasoning written by a judge? (And not coz deadlines were missed by Alpha)

[phzi]

Has there been made any judgements via money claims online (or via court) with reasoning written by a judge? (And not coz deadlines were missed by Alpha)

Alpha-T knows they are in the wrong and have to refund everyone that has paid for a device.  They greedy, but aren't stupid enough to try to contest any claim against them.

It's extremely clear that until delivery is made, anyone that has paid in full is entitled to a full refund under UK consumer protection laws.  Alpha might try to scare people off from making claims by stating everyone was a business, but that's all it is - a scare tactic.  Even they aren't stupid enough to think it would hold up in court.

Funny thing is that people using paypal. cc or wire transfers are in a much better situation than people using BTC to pay for the promise of scrypt miners 

I paid in full with BTC.  I'm not going to see that money back.  To all the people that have won Judgements... So what?  How the **** are you going to collect?

Well, you don't even try to make a claim, you definitely deserve nothing back...

And, several people have been paid full refunds by Alpha after winning judgments.  As long as they have money in the bank to pay, even Alpha isn't stupid enough to let a court ordered debt sit around for long.  That next step you mention about going back to court to seize assets is something that Alpha will do anything to avoid until they actually are bankrupt.

[retro72]

Well, you don't even try to make a claim, you definitely deserve nothing back...

And, several people have been paid full refunds by Alpha after winning judgments.  As long as they have money in the bank to pay, even Alpha isn't stupid enough to let a court ordered debt sit around for long.  That next step you mention about going back to court to seize assets is something that Alpha will do anything to avoid until they actually are bankrupt.

^^ This.

For the life of me I really do not understand why people believe they cannot claim if they paid in BTC. Alpha received Pounds Sterling from you via bitpay, so however you paid, they owe it back. Yes you probably won't get the btc back but you will get the Sterling amount you paid.

I have just had a PM from an Alpha customer who has just won a claim. Alpha's defence was STRUCK OUT and a judgement was issued against them. Alpha literally have NO DEFENCE. They have and will pay claims won against them. You can do some pretty heinous shit to a company once you have a judgement, including freezing bank accounts, summoning them to court to reveal their assets and making them bankrupt.

For some reason they are trying to keep this clusterf**k of a company alive, my guess is they want to run an asic farm, so they will keep the company running until they've mined their equipment into the ground then they will dissolve and screw any suckers who swallowed the whole dividend "scheme"

So if you haven't already made a claim, I suggest you do so before the inevitable happens and they disappear. 

[glendall]

I feel for you guys, that sucks.

After my Avalon batch 2 order was like 4 months late due to all the pre-mining Avalon did with it, I gave up on pre-orders. But at least I got my units eventually with Avalon.  Hopefully Alpha is trying to ship a product and not just another scamming thief of the many, like Jon Montroll of Bitfunder.

Being in BTC can be tough. More than half the companies are scams (well mining wise anyways); can make you really bitter.

[vesperwillow]

Aren't they overdue for an update? They supposedly had a big milestone a day or 2 ago.

Also for folks who are successful with your PayPal refunds, please post your transaction/refund info (ID's/etc) for everyone else to cross-reference.

[Nullu]

Aren't they overdue for an update? They supposedly had a big milestone a day or 2 ago.

Also for folks who are successful with your PayPal refunds, please post your transaction/refund info (ID's/etc) for everyone else to cross-reference.

There's always a big milestone, followed by a setback. This has been happening from the start. Customers are just being strung along for as far as they can get away with.

[Equate]

Aren't they overdue for an update? They supposedly had a big milestone a day or 2 ago.

Also for folks who are successful with your PayPal refunds, please post your transaction/refund info (ID's/etc) for everyone else to cross-reference.

There's always a big milestone, followed by a setback. This has been happening from the start. Customers are just being strung along for as far as they can get away with.

With so many ASIC manafacturer advancing and improving hashrates , power consumption of their units , Alpha-T has made progress for sure - BUT only on PAPER.

[fightalpha]

so it was a successful day for me. I payed my 30% deposit through paypal and my additional 70% via wire transfer.

I contacted paypal yesterday who opened a dispute and contacted alpha about it, but the dispute was immediately closed due to the 45 day rule. I called back this morning and pushed the issue until I got transfered to a supervisor. She said she had to do some research on it, so I fully explained the situatoin and how other people had already reported alpha to paypal, etc etc. Within an hour the 30% was back in my paypal account.

Then I contacted my bank on a hope and prayer regarding the wire transfer. Turns out they do have some options on wire transfers (at least USBank does). They are contacting alpha's bank and requesting the funds on grounds of fraud, and I have filed a report with USbank's fraud department as well. I will know more by Friday hopefully- I'll keep you guys posted.

Moral of the story- if paypal gives you the run around, call again, and again, and again. Be very nice to the people and I recommend immediately asking to speak with a supervisor or protection services. It also obviously helps if you run a decent amount of money through paypal every year- I threatened to switch companies and payment processors for a bunch of my stuff which i think helped to put pressure on paypal to rectify the situation rather than just passing the buck.

I'll update when I hear more on the wire transfer.

Hello, can you provide a screenshot with a transaction ID? Paypal says their policy is if they refund one person regarding Alpha-T, they refund everyone. But they couldn't find any record of a refund given. You'd be helping a lot of people out.

I'd post the screenshot on http://fightalpha.net along with your BTC donation address.

[ilostmyface]

so it was a successful day for me. I payed my 30% deposit through paypal and my additional 70% via wire transfer.

I contacted paypal yesterday who opened a dispute and contacted alpha about it, but the dispute was immediately closed due to the 45 day rule. I called back this morning and pushed the issue until I got transfered to a supervisor. She said she had to do some research on it, so I fully explained the situatoin and how other people had already reported alpha to paypal, etc etc. Within an hour the 30% was back in my paypal account.

Then I contacted my bank on a hope and prayer regarding the wire transfer. Turns out they do have some options on wire transfers (at least USBank does). They are contacting alpha's bank and requesting the funds on grounds of fraud, and I have filed a report with USbank's fraud department as well. I will know more by Friday hopefully- I'll keep you guys posted.

Moral of the story- if paypal gives you the run around, call again, and again, and again. Be very nice to the people and I recommend immediately asking to speak with a supervisor or protection services. It also obviously helps if you run a decent amount of money through paypal every year- I threatened to switch companies and payment processors for a bunch of my stuff which i think helped to put pressure on paypal to rectify the situation rather than just passing the buck.

I'll update when I hear more on the wire transfer.

Hello, can you provide a screenshot with a transaction ID? Paypal says their policy is if they refund one person regarding Alpha-T, they refund everyone. But they couldn't find any record of a refund given. You'd be helping a lot of people out.

I'd post the screenshot on http://fightalpha.net along with your BTC donation address.

I defiantly would donate some BTC for an ID of a PAYPAL transaction that received refund. I am getting zero from my refund request from PayPal.

[hm]

Perhaps this might be useful, though not tested on claims against AT (?):

If you are an EU customer, you could try to use the European Small Claims Procedure for claims below 2000€ or the European Order for Payment Procedure for claims above 2000€ instead of the UK Small Claims procedure. These are standardized EU procedures that are implemented in national law by the member states. As a consumer, you file the application forms with a court in your own country, not in the defendant's country. The defendant has to reject the claims within 30 days or otherwise you get a title that is enforceable in the defendants country.

You can find the forms in all EU languages on the European e-Justice Portal:

European Small Claims Procedure (below 2000€)
https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_small_claims_forms-177-en.do
European Payment Order (above 2000€)
https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_european_payment_order_forms-156-en.do

To change the language of the PDF forms, use the dropdown on the top right corner of the website.

[bander]

so it was a successful day for me. I payed my 30% deposit through paypal and my additional 70% via wire transfer.

I contacted paypal yesterday who opened a dispute and contacted alpha about it, but the dispute was immediately closed due to the 45 day rule. I called back this morning and pushed the issue until I got transfered to a supervisor. She said she had to do some research on it, so I fully explained the situatoin and how other people had already reported alpha to paypal, etc etc. Within an hour the 30% was back in my paypal account.

Then I contacted my bank on a hope and prayer regarding the wire transfer. Turns out they do have some options on wire transfers (at least USBank does). They are contacting alpha's bank and requesting the funds on grounds of fraud, and I have filed a report with USbank's fraud department as well. I will know more by Friday hopefully- I'll keep you guys posted.

Moral of the story- if paypal gives you the run around, call again, and again, and again. Be very nice to the people and I recommend immediately asking to speak with a supervisor or protection services. It also obviously helps if you run a decent amount of money through paypal every year- I threatened to switch companies and payment processors for a bunch of my stuff which i think helped to put pressure on paypal to rectify the situation rather than just passing the buck.

I'll update when I hear more on the wire transfer.

Hello, can you provide a screenshot with a transaction ID? Paypal says their policy is if they refund one person regarding Alpha-T, they refund everyone. But they couldn't find any record of a refund given. You'd be helping a lot of people out.

I'd post the screenshot on http://fightalpha.net along with your BTC donation address.

I defiantly would donate some BTC for an ID of a PAYPAL transaction that received refund. I am getting zero from my refund request from PayPal.

I've posted this to fightalpha: http://fightalpha.net/index.php?topic=30.0

[SimonBeCoinin]

so it was a successful day for me. I payed my 30% deposit through paypal and my additional 70% via wire transfer.

I contacted paypal yesterday who opened a dispute and contacted alpha about it, but the dispute was immediately closed due to the 45 day rule. I called back this morning and pushed the issue until I got transfered to a supervisor. She said she had to do some research on it, so I fully explained the situatoin and how other people had already reported alpha to paypal, etc etc. Within an hour the 30% was back in my paypal account.

Then I contacted my bank on a hope and prayer regarding the wire transfer. Turns out they do have some options on wire transfers (at least USBank does). They are contacting alpha's bank and requesting the funds on grounds of fraud, and I have filed a report with USbank's fraud department as well. I will know more by Friday hopefully- I'll keep you guys posted.

Moral of the story- if paypal gives you the run around, call again, and again, and again. Be very nice to the people and I recommend immediately asking to speak with a supervisor or protection services. It also obviously helps if you run a decent amount of money through paypal every year- I threatened to switch companies and payment processors for a bunch of my stuff which i think helped to put pressure on paypal to rectify the situation rather than just passing the buck.

I'll update when I hear more on the wire transfer.

Hello, can you provide a screenshot with a transaction ID? Paypal says their policy is if they refund one person regarding Alpha-T, they refund everyone. But they couldn't find any record of a refund given. You'd be helping a lot of people out.

I'd post the screenshot on http://fightalpha.net along with your BTC donation address.

I defiantly would donate some BTC for an ID of a PAYPAL transaction that received refund. I am getting zero from my refund request from PayPal.

I've posted this to fightalpha: http://fightalpha.net/index.php?topic=30.0

That's awesome.  If some people want to post similar info on their court cases as well it would help.  Images of orders, etc.  Somebody said that the court tossed Alpha's case/argument out, which doesn't surprise me but I didn't have to take mine that route so I don't have that sort of documentation.

I have gotten my refund from a CC company, but have been in contact with PayPal over this to try to solidify their information and have been explaining the legal grounds to a caseworker person with respect to the DSR and Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 what Alpha has been trying to do in terms of categorizing these purchases as B2B after the fact.  

They do see the point and are not arguing it at this point, however, they've asked if I could provide any info from those court cases.  Obviously if people don't want to post personal info here, or hand it to me that's understandable.  If you can PM me we can talk about how to get it to PayPal.   Maybe just redact the persona info post a doc somewhere or something.  

I have worked my way into their legal people and they are listening at this point, just asking for further documentation that people have successfully won these filing and the UK courts have already ruled in this fashion.  

Basically, whatever documentation can be pulled together in an organized fashion on this will help.

[fightalpha]

so it was a successful day for me. I payed my 30% deposit through paypal and my additional 70% via wire transfer.

I contacted paypal yesterday who opened a dispute and contacted alpha about it, but the dispute was immediately closed due to the 45 day rule. I called back this morning and pushed the issue until I got transfered to a supervisor. She said she had to do some research on it, so I fully explained the situatoin and how other people had already reported alpha to paypal, etc etc. Within an hour the 30% was back in my paypal account.

Then I contacted my bank on a hope and prayer regarding the wire transfer. Turns out they do have some options on wire transfers (at least USBank does). They are contacting alpha's bank and requesting the funds on grounds of fraud, and I have filed a report with USbank's fraud department as well. I will know more by Friday hopefully- I'll keep you guys posted.

Moral of the story- if paypal gives you the run around, call again, and again, and again. Be very nice to the people and I recommend immediately asking to speak with a supervisor or protection services. It also obviously helps if you run a decent amount of money through paypal every year- I threatened to switch companies and payment processors for a bunch of my stuff which i think helped to put pressure on paypal to rectify the situation rather than just passing the buck.

I'll update when I hear more on the wire transfer.

Hello, can you provide a screenshot with a transaction ID? Paypal says their policy is if they refund one person regarding Alpha-T, they refund everyone. But they couldn't find any record of a refund given. You'd be helping a lot of people out.

I'd post the screenshot on http://fightalpha.net along with your BTC donation address.

I defiantly would donate some BTC for an ID of a PAYPAL transaction that received refund. I am getting zero from my refund request from PayPal.

I've posted this to fightalpha: http://fightalpha.net/index.php?topic=30.0

That's awesome.  If some people want to post similar info on their court cases as well it would help.  Images of orders, etc.  Somebody said that the court tossed Alpha's case/argument out, which doesn't surprise me but I didn't have to take mine that route so I don't have that sort of documentation.

I have gotten my refund from a CC company, but have been in contact with PayPal over this to try to solidify their information and have been explaining the legal grounds to a caseworker person with respect to the DSR and Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 what Alpha has been trying to do in terms of categorizing these purchases as B2B after the fact.  

They do see the point and are not arguing it at this point, however, they've asked if I could provide any info from those court cases.  Obviously if people don't want to post personal info here, or hand it to me that's understandable.  If you can PM me we can talk about how to get it to PayPal.   Maybe just redact the persona info post a doc somewhere or something.  

I have worked my way into their legal people and they are listening at this point, just asking for further documentation that people have successfully won these filing and the UK courts have already ruled in this fashion.  

Basically, whatever documentation can be pulled together in an organized fashion on this will help.

Start your thread here: http://fightalpha.net/index.php?board=1.0

[Disturbia]

I received an email from alpha regarding their miners. I can't believe this isn't a dead company by now. Even butterfly labs got shut down for a minute. 

[Bandit72]

I received an email from alpha regarding their miners. I can't believe this isn't a dead company by now. Even butterfly labs got shut down for a minute. 

When did you get the E-Mail? Can you post it. I didn't get any since 6th October.

[Zeta0S]

I received an email from alpha regarding their miners. I can't believe this isn't a dead company by now. Even butterfly labs got shut down for a minute. 

Dude open your eyes