NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[pandaisftw]

Because hallmarked nodes are given priority over a normal node without a hallmark any day. And right now, a majority of nodes are controlled by a handful of people. I can set up 1000 nodes, but without a hallmark, most of the traffic will flow through hallmarked servers. So in the end, it was the stake that decided the outcome, not the action.

How VS in your eyes'll change situation like that to better one ? I was asking about that.

I was just pointing out that nodes without weights (non-hallmarked. Hallmarking requires static IP, meaning VPS or dedicated server) will support the network, but the network will always trust a hallmarked node more. Recently, we have had zombie nodes attempting to spread false packets throughout the network, but hallmark makes it too expensive for them to truly attack the network in a large scale.

You seem to think that majority of stakeholders = majority of node owners. This is not the case. For example, I have my hallmark on one of ferment's VPS's. Are you saying that he get's my votes simply because I don't have a VPS that can be up 24/7 with a static IP? Are we going to require every user to sign up for their own VPS so they can have a voice? Voting is completely decentralized and every account will be accountable for their vote (because of their stake) so it is not possible to game the system. This seems fair to me.

I don't care about actual algo. I was talking about idea of voting.

Voting in a decentralized network is consensus. I mean, it doesn't really get more decentralized than that... votes here can't be rigged and cannot be controlled, everyone has a say equal to their stake.

[Come-from-Beyond]

I tried to understand it couple of days ago, but I left the site after 10 mins because I was confused and still didn't understood it. So it's not made for me, right?

That main goal of that coin is to make the world better. I was born in USSR and I'm a communist on 99%.

[NxtChg]

Another 2 withdrawals disappeared into aether. Argh!

What global voting, what distributed exchange? Make what's already in there work first...

[Come-from-Beyond]

Perhaps something like these quick sketches might be clearer?

Let me guess... Green arrows is a withdrawal (deflation of the balance) and red ones is a deposit (inflation of the balance)?

[ZeroTheGreat]

Let's apply your logic to the issue at hand: the voting system. You don't like it and I like it. Of course, you have supporters and and I also have supporters.

Correct.

So by your logic, developers should just implement the voting feature. If you and your supporters don't like it, just don't install it and don't vote. Isn't it that what you want ?

Incorrect.
1) Dev'd anything they like to do. So far I'm not paying them for work, do I don't care much and, more important, have no right to command;
2) I'm asking questions and later dealing with answers. So far I've to do nothing, VS still not implemented.

Or because you are so superior than me and the developers should just listen to what you say and ignore my request ?

?! They'd do whatever they want. I'm defending free will, not denying it.

At least if there is a voting system in place, you and your supporters can try to vote to disable that feature. That's what you should plan to do if you really want it, not by pleading to developers to ignore my request.

All those features weren't requested. Were suggested. And discussion'll continue. My request: no Global Voting in first place. And if it'll be implemented, I'll deal with it. Try to disable, or pick another project, or may be stick around if risks will be too low in my stimation until they'll grow.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Another 2 withdrawals disappeared into aether. Argh!

What global voting, what distributed exchange? Make what's already in there work first...

What deadline do u use?

[dzarmush]

By specialists, if you means developers like BCNext, CfB and Luc, then they already plan to add voting feature. Why don't you do what you wrote here ? Let them decide ?

Yes, that's how I think it should be. If specialists think it's for good then let's go for it. But we can help them to make a decision by discussing it. That's what we're doing right now.

[NxtChg]

Let me guess... Green arrows is a withdrawal (deflation of the balance) and red ones is a deposit (inflation of the balance)?

Good one

[xyzzyx]

Perhaps something like these quick sketches might be clearer?

Let me guess... Green arrows is a withdrawal (deflation of the balance) and red ones is a deposit (inflation of the balance)?

Color was only an after-thought -- original sketches were black and white.  Don't need color.

[ZeroTheGreat]

By specialists, if you means developers like BCNext, CfB and Luc, then they already plan to add voting feature. Why don't you do what you wrote here ? Let them decide ?

Yes, that's how I think it should be. If specialists think it's for good then let's go for it. But we can help them to make a decision by discussing it. That's what we're doing right now.

Exactly. Still: which problem can be solved by Global Voting, but can't be solved by actions of Nxters? I don't see even 1, but risks appear.

[NxtChg]

What deadline do u use?

I didn't touch it. You said it's best not to reduce it and I didn't.

Maybe it has something to do with VPN? Unreliable broadcasting? But shouldn't NRS expect unreliable networks and auto-rebroadcast?

And to add insult to injury it also says "The money is sent."

[NxtChg]

Color was only an after-thought -- original sketches were black and white.  Don't need color.

You missed the point. The meaning is subjective and you cannot assume that "arrows in" is a universal symbol for deposits.

[ZeroTheGreat]

I'm talking about voting without leaving the system.

Don't you see: it makes path to forcing part of community to follow some winner (center)?

I can't lose in voting by actions. In worst case I'll die as free person.

Please, visit a website in my signature. That coin is for people like u.

How decentralization connects with built-in possible center in your point of view? In BCNext's (he suggest Global Voting?)? No project can be born, survive and be managed without built-out center, that's normal, every P2P-system have creators and main supporters (thanks for them for better future of all of us!).

[Come-from-Beyond]

What deadline do u use?

I didn't touch it. You said it's best not to reduce it and I didn't.

Maybe it has something to do with VPN? Unreliable broadcasting? But shouldn't NRS expect unreliable networks and auto-rebroadcast?

And to add insult to injury it also says "The money is sent."

Auto-rebroadcasting would help, for now adjust ur time by minus 2 hours.

[xyzzyx]

Color was only an after-thought -- original sketches were black and white.  Don't need color.

You missed the point. The meaning is subjective and you cannot assume that "arrows in" is a universal symbol for deposits.

I think we're actually on the same page.  As I wrote previously, "I never liked the right/left arrows to represent in/out.  Their initial interpretation depends on the direction of the reader's written language (think English vs Hebrew), and perhaps the viewer's concept of the flow-of-time -- where, in that person's mind, things in the past are experienced in relation to things in the future."

I bring it up in the first place specifically because the left/right arrows tend to conflict with my own internal representations.

Ideally it should be a choice of the user to select what icons/graphics/etc best align with his or her own submodalities.  But, well, que sera, sera and all that.

[NxtChg]

I think we're actually on the same page.  As I wrote previously, "I never liked the right/left arrows to represent in/out.  Their initial interpretation depends on the direction of the reader's written language (think English vs Hebrew), and perhaps the viewer's concept of the flow-of-time -- where, in that person's mind, things in the past are experienced in relation to things in the future."

I bring it up in the first place specifically because the left/right arrows tend to conflict with my own internal representations.

Ideally it should be a choice of the user to select what icons/graphics/etc best align with his or her own submodalities.  But, well, que sera, sera and all that.

We're on the same page concerning the problem. I am not a big fan of current arrows either. But C-f-B made a damn good example of the age-old problem in iconography: you cannot assume universal meaning. Assigning your own icons sounds like fun, but it's not practical.

[pandaisftw]

Color was only an after-thought -- original sketches were black and white.  Don't need color.

You missed the point. The meaning is subjective and you cannot assume that "arrows in" is a universal symbol for deposits.

I think we're actually on the same page.  As I wrote previously, "I never liked the right/left arrows to represent in/out.  Their initial interpretation depends on the direction of the reader's written language (think English vs Hebrew), and perhaps the viewer's concept of the flow-of-time -- where, in that person's mind, things in the past are experienced in relation to things in the future."

I bring it up in the first place specifically because the left/right arrows tend to conflict with my own internal representations.

Ideally it should be a choice of the user to select what icons/graphics/etc best align with his or her own submodalities.  But, well, que sera, sera and all that.

Left and right arrows actually don't mean anything to me, so I just rely on the color (I assume green is in, red is out).

[brooklynbtc]

I'm working on setting up a news site, purchased nxtnews.co and of course the alias..

setting up a host and getting wordpress installed.  plan on an honest, unfiltered outlet for articles, charts, and trends.

if anyone had any suggestions or wants to contribute, please let me know

We do have http://info.nxtcrypto.org as our news site that is updated very regularly.  also there is a forum for news items discussion at https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewforum.php?f=49  please give it another shot - we've recently changed the site look.

We're always happy for increased contribution in the forums!

Hey opticalcarrier, thanks for those links, I know about nxtcrypto and have even contributed articles, but there is some biased editing going on there.  i had articles killed on nxt gambling sites and more importantly on dgex adding fees. these are important things for the community to know, and its not acceptable to just pretend all is hunky dory.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I think we as investors need to full story.

I find it very strange that a thread on dgex adding fees was deleted on nxtcrypto.org  Can you tell me when this happened and your user ID there?  I will track it down, there are only few people there with those permissions and it wasnt me

hey OC, not on forums, but on the news site. I submitted and was told they didnt want to publish these kinds of articles.

[ZeroTheGreat]

Two big problems:
1) Possible centralization: if someone/group manages to get agreement of needed amount of coins through created presentative hierarchy or something like that; agreement on their own goals. Commercial, political or personal (ofc, it bounded by power of desicions, but if GVS will be implemented, power could be simply increased by next voting along with Nxt getting stronger);
2) Amount of coins (or votes of real people) =/= right decision by good specialist. And it'll never be that way (and cos of "right" always relative too).
 
So: Why? Leave it as "voting as actions", why not?

[superresistant]

Dgex actually sucks i used to not mind using that exchange. Ive sent 300kNXT to sell the other day guess what still pending. Now price has dropped fsake. I cant do anything but wait it out. I dont wanna cancel the pending deposit because im not even sure it will be returned this year. Dgex is killing NXT we need another exchange desparatley that has good volume.
Ok now its apeared in my balance. Rant over

Hey next time, let me buy those 300K NXT directly !