NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[bidji29]

went to -2540 blocks, 2543 orphaned blocks, 17803 unconfirmed transactions, within half an hour after redownloading block chain

36881      2584657662098653454      January 9, 2014 3:29:53 PM GMT+02:00   
1      100 + 1      128 B   
2      7115225331220974788      609 %

Not sure if this is relevant, but the My transactions window ends up with duplicate transactions listed some old transactions from last week are duplicated. I was having a lot of problems sending, i think due to system clock and 15 seconds issue.

December 30, 2013 5:24:37 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      2      1      -   
December 30, 2013 7:25:03 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      11      1      -   
December 30, 2013 7:32:50 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      10'000   10      -   
December 30, 2013 7:39:10 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      90'000   90      -   

Hmm... other than the duplicates in My Transactions, it seems that it is still moving forward:

36888      4747512364439223888      January 9, 2014 3:37:14 PM GMT+02:00   
1      4 + 1      128 B   
2      1819073736885755019      233 %

This seems to be an issue with NRS display? Just a bit worrisome about negative recent blocks, so many orphans and unconfirmed. Is this normal?

I think it's just the display who is wrong.
But it's still function properly. Happened to me. If you want the correct display, just refresh the page

[Ebrelus]

If there are some accounts with substancial amounts of NXT which are nobody's property and have weaker passwords than maybe we could create special thread to organise group cracking.

I'm sure a lot of people would like to use script/program to make such group brute force treasure hunting
It could be constructed in similar way as altcoins pool mining with system of distribution f.e. lucky one would get half of found NXTs and the rest of could get proportional part of other half. Also it could be a simple solo treasure hunting.

This would be great for increasing NXT community and would be simply fun. In future because of growing amounts of NXT's lost in void it would become even more successful. What do you think about it?

[EmoneyRu]

If there are some accounts with substancial amounts of NXT which are nobody's property and have weaker passwords than maybe we could create special thread to organise group cracking.

I'm sure a lot of people would like to use script/program to make such group brute force treasure hunting
It could be constructed in similar way as altcoins pool mining with system of distribution f.e. lucky one would get half of found NXTs and the rest of could get proportional part of other half. Also it could be a simple solo treasure hunting.

This would be great for increasing NXT community and would be simply fun. In future because of growing amounts of NXT's lost in void it would become even more successful. What do you think about it?

Let's use ASICs & GPUs for that

[utopianfuture]

If there are some accounts with substancial amounts of NXT which are nobody's property and have weaker passwords than maybe we could create special thread to organise group cracking.

I'm sure a lot of people would like to use script/program to make such group brute force treasure hunting
It could be constructed in similar way as altcoins pool mining with system of distribution f.e. lucky one would get half of found NXTs and the rest of could get proportional part of other half. Also it could be a simple solo treasure hunting.

This would be great for increasing NXT community and would be simply fun. In future because of growing amounts of NXT's lost in void it would become even more successful. What do you think about it?

I would love to have a group like this exist. It would really show how difficult (or easy ) it is to crack a NXT account.

I would gladly raise a funding for a project like this even just for research purpose.

[LiQio]

I would love to have a group like this exist. It would really show how difficult (or easy ) it is to crack a NXT account.

hiberNXT or darkNXT account

[notsoshifty]

You are still connecting with "root" username.
Use "ubuntu", Luke

Or, for non-Ubuntu OS, "ec2-user".

[jl777]

went to -2540 blocks, 2543 orphaned blocks, 17803 unconfirmed transactions, within half an hour after redownloading block chain

36881      2584657662098653454      January 9, 2014 3:29:53 PM GMT+02:00   
1      100 + 1      128 B   
2      7115225331220974788      609 %

Not sure if this is relevant, but the My transactions window ends up with duplicate transactions listed some old transactions from last week are duplicated. I was having a lot of problems sending, i think due to system clock and 15 seconds issue.

December 30, 2013 5:24:37 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      2      1      -   
December 30, 2013 7:25:03 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      11      1      -   
December 30, 2013 7:32:50 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      10'000   10      -   
December 30, 2013 7:39:10 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      90'000   90      -   

Hmm... other than the duplicates in My Transactions, it seems that it is still moving forward:

36888      4747512364439223888      January 9, 2014 3:37:14 PM GMT+02:00   
1      4 + 1      128 B   
2      1819073736885755019      233 %

This seems to be an issue with NRS display? Just a bit worrisome about negative recent blocks, so many orphans and unconfirmed. Is this normal?

I think it's just the display who is wrong.
But it's still function properly. Happened to me. If you want the correct display, just refresh the page

Looking closer, the timestamps on the actual transactions are different and are all after the duplicates.

December 30, 2013 7:50:26 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   90'000   90      10+   
December 30, 2013 7:41:53 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   10'000   10      10+   
December 30, 2013 7:41:53 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   11      1      10+   
December 30, 2013 5:26:31 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   2      1      10

Wait.

Definitely something strange, the transaction IDs are the same!
90000: 2908061711788780811 vs 2908061711788780811
10000: 11922435045177123841 vs 11922435045177123841
11:       8324684714258161869 vs 8324684714258161869
2:         11874188389536146018 vs 11874188389536146018

So definitely a bug of some sort. The same transaction ids are duplicated in the display. They are listed at the top of My transactions, with 0 confirmations but having identical transaction ids as the real transactions. To confuse things even more, the timestamps are different, each actual transaction is in the future relative to the unconfirmed ones.

additonally, I also remember sending a lot more smaller test transactions and they just disappeared without warning, probably due to the system clock being wrong. All during this timeframe. We need a warning when that happens

The client could just not display transactions without confirmations, or only display one with unique transaction ID, but I think this indicates some sort of lower level confusion that needs to be investigated.

James

[ferment]

New thread on API 2: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=406839

[EmoneyRu]

You are still connecting with "root" username.
Use "ubuntu", Luke

Or, for non-Ubuntu OS, "ec2-user".

If I'm not mistaken, Debian user is "admin"

[gbeirn]

We don't need BCNext anymore. He kickstarted the snowball with name "Nxt", the rest is our work.

very hard with no leader the snowball can fall from a cliff in a split second

I hope he is not stopping with nxt

With a single leader we have a centralized system. I would imagine, given BCNext's views on centralization he/she/they are slowly contributing less and less as others do more and more.

[notsoshifty]

Or, for non-Ubuntu OS, "ec2-user".

If I'm not mistaken, Debian user is "admin"

I think you're right. It's "ec2-user" for some including Amazon Linux, RHEL, and CentOS. Well, one of admin/ec2-user/ubuntu/root should work

EDIT: fix typo, it's "ec2-user" not "ec-2user" (thanks EmoneyRu).

[martismartis]

went to -2540 blocks, 2543 orphaned blocks, 17803 unconfirmed transactions, within half an hour after redownloading block chain

36881      2584657662098653454      January 9, 2014 3:29:53 PM GMT+02:00   
1      100 + 1      128 B   
2      7115225331220974788      609 %

Not sure if this is relevant, but the My transactions window ends up with duplicate transactions listed some old transactions from last week are duplicated. I was having a lot of problems sending, i think due to system clock and 15 seconds issue.

December 30, 2013 5:24:37 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      2      1      -   
December 30, 2013 7:25:03 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      11      1      -   
December 30, 2013 7:32:50 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      10'000   10      -   
December 30, 2013 7:39:10 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198      90'000   90      -   

Hmm... other than the duplicates in My Transactions, it seems that it is still moving forward:

36888      4747512364439223888      January 9, 2014 3:37:14 PM GMT+02:00   
1      4 + 1      128 B   
2      1819073736885755019      233 %

This seems to be an issue with NRS display? Just a bit worrisome about negative recent blocks, so many orphans and unconfirmed. Is this normal?

I think it's just the display who is wrong.
But it's still function properly. Happened to me. If you want the correct display, just refresh the page

Looking closer, the timestamps on the actual transactions are different and are all after the duplicates.

December 30, 2013 7:50:26 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   90'000   90      10+   
December 30, 2013 7:41:53 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   10'000   10      10+   
December 30, 2013 7:41:53 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   11      1      10+   
December 30, 2013 5:26:31 AM GMT+02:00      2269220637361284198   2      1      10

Wait.

Definitely something strange, the transaction IDs are the same!
90000: 2908061711788780811 vs 2908061711788780811
10000: 11922435045177123841 vs 11922435045177123841
11:       8324684714258161869 vs 8324684714258161869
2:         11874188389536146018 vs 11874188389536146018

So definitely a bug of some sort. The same transaction ids are duplicated in the display. They are listed at the top of My transactions, with 0 confirmations but having identical transaction ids as the real transactions. To confuse things even more, the timestamps are different, each actual transaction is in the future relative to the unconfirmed ones.

additonally, I also remember sending a lot more smaller test transactions and they just disappeared without warning, probably due to the system clock being wrong. All during this timeframe. We need a warning when that happens

The client could just not display transactions without confirmations, or only display one with unique transaction ID, but I think this indicates some sort of lower level confusion that needs to be investigated.

James

I think client and/or java process lost blockchain somehow and this is not the refresh browser problem. The same problem I mentioned in my previous posts. I have the same problem, refresh of browser didn't help, needed to restrt everything. After restart everything works, but it shouldn't be the way.

[Come-from-Beyond]

With a single leader we have a centralized system. I would imagine, given BCNext's views on centralization he/she/they are slowly contributing less and less as others do more and more.

Exactly. He mentioned that at some moment in the future he would disappear completely. U'll get the secret phrase that opens the genesis account, everyone will be able to play a role of "BCNext".

[chanc3r]

With a single leader we have a centralized system. I would imagine, given BCNext's views on centralization he/she/they are slowly contributing less and less as others do more and more.

Exactly. He mentioned that at some moment in the future he would disappear completely. U'll get the secret phrase that opens the genesis account, everyone will be able to play a role of "BCNext".

I hope there are NO outgoing transactions for accounts with negative NXT!!!  

Can you send anti-NXT from the genesis account to normal accounts?  

what would such a collision of NXT and anti-NXT produce?

[jl777]

With a single leader we have a centralized system. I would imagine, given BCNext's views on centralization he/she/they are slowly contributing less and less as others do more and more.

Exactly. He mentioned that at some moment in the future he would disappear completely. U'll get the secret phrase that opens the genesis account, everyone will be able to play a role of "BCNext".

I hope there are NO outgoing transactions for accounts with negative NXT!!!  

Can you send anti-NXT from the genesis account to normal accounts?  

what would such a collision of NXT and anti-NXT produce?

must have positive balance to send NXT

[marcus03]

With a single leader we have a centralized system. I would imagine, given BCNext's views on centralization he/she/they are slowly contributing less and less as others do more and more.

Exactly. He mentioned that at some moment in the future he would disappear completely. U'll get the secret phrase that opens the genesis account, everyone will be able to play a role of "BCNext".

I hope there are NO outgoing transactions for accounts with negative NXT!!!  

Can you send anti-NXT from the genesis account to normal accounts?  

what would such a collision of NXT and anti-NXT produce?

Try it the other way around: Send NXT to the anti-NXT account and see what happens... ;-)

[Come-from-Beyond]

I hope there are NO outgoing transactions for accounts with negative NXT!!!   

Sorry, but there are already 72 outgoing transactions from an account with negative balance.

[jl777]

I hope there are NO outgoing transactions for accounts with negative NXT!!!   

Sorry, but there are already 72 outgoing transactions from an account with negative balance.

that doesn't count, not actual transactions, just initialization hardcoded in the source code

if people didn't know you are joking you could create mass panic

[jl777]

I hope there are NO outgoing transactions for accounts with negative NXT!!!   

Sorry, but there are already 72 outgoing transactions from an account with negative balance.

If I ever invent the Time Machine... you BEST believe there will be 73!!!   

You can just change it in the source code!
Of course, getting jean-luc to agree to sign it as official release, that would be a problem

[Come-from-Beyond]

If I ever invent the Time Machine... you BEST believe there will be 73!!!  

The very 1st transaction was sent from an account with 0 NXT. The rest 72 went when it was negative.