NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[jl777]

Has there been some discussion here whether prices are manipulated?

https://nextcoin.org/index.php?topic=3303.0
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3284.0.html

Yes, they are manipulated by big traders.
Just like every other exchange in this universe, so don't worry 2 much about it.

What! You mean people actually put in small orders in the opposite direction that they want to move the market to where they want it to be for the big order? How can they do such a thing. NEWS FLASH: Wall Street traders have been doing stuff like this for over 100 years.

Whenever there is an open orderbook, everyone can see it and so it is possible to glean some information about what the market is about to do. Of course, people know this so discount this information or even reverse it.

I know that you know that I know that you know that I know,...

This is why it is not possible to predict short term price movements, just general direction is difficult enough. Pick a price you are happy to buy (or sell) at and then stick to it. If your analysis is correct, in time you will gain. If you are wrong, you will lose (or have to wait a long time to get out without a loss)

James

[jl777]

Hey People, I try to login on the terminal on mac, after installed the new client, I type Cd / ''name of the map'' / nxt

In terminal nothing happens, After that I type Cd / java -jar start.jar   , to start the client, but once again nothing happens... Does somebody now what I should do? Many thanks

Oke I posted this for the fourth time now, sorry for that. But Please people, Is there anybody who can help me out with this?
 

Love to help, don't know shit about the command line on Macs, but it can't be that hard.
Could u take some screenshots what u r doing/seeing in your terminal window and PM them to me, I'll see if I can spot any obvious problems.

I just use the mac client http://nxtra.org/mac/
The only issue I have seen is that it keeps asking you if you want to update to a specific version, even if you already have it. Probably got used to jean-luc's daily updates

James

[twistelaar]

Oke Im trying to open the client of wesley, I installed the extention in Chrome, I type NXT in the browser with a space, but nothing happens... does anybody now what do from here?

[twistelaar]

Hey People, I try to login on the terminal on mac, after installed the new client, I type Cd / ''name of the map'' / nxt

In terminal nothing happens, After that I type Cd / java -jar start.jar   , to start the client, but once again nothing happens... Does somebody now what I should do? Many thanks

Oke I posted this for the fourth time now, sorry for that. But Please people, Is there anybody who can help me out with this?
 

Love to help, don't know shit about the command line on Macs, but it can't be that hard.
Could u take some screenshots what u r doing/seeing in your terminal window and PM them to me, I'll see if I can spot any obvious problems.

I just use the mac client http://nxtra.org/mac/
The only issue I have seen is that it keeps asking you if you want to update to a specific version, even if you already have it. Probably got used to jean-luc's daily updates

James

Hey James, I installed the mac client, And when I open it, nothing happens.. what do I have to do? Thank you so much

[delulo]

Has there been some discussion here whether prices are manipulated?

https://nextcoin.org/index.php?topic=3303.0
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3284.0.html

Yes, they are manipulated by big traders.
Just like every other exchange in this universe, so don't worry 2 much about it.

What! You mean people actually put in small orders in the opposite direction that they want to move the market to where they want it to be for the big order? How can they do such a thing. NEWS FLASH: Wall Street traders have been doing stuff like this for over 100 years.

Whenever there is an open orderbook, everyone can see it and so it is possible to glean some information about what the market is about to do. Of course, people know this so discount this information or even reverse it.

I know that you know that I know that you know that I know,...

This is why it is not possible to predict short term price movements, just general direction is difficult enough. Pick a price you are happy to buy (or sell) at and then stick to it. If your analysis is correct, in time you will gain. If you are wrong, you will lose (or have to wait a long time to get out without a loss)

James

The mechanism I am thinking of is bots or the same person or a group of people trading most of the volume between each other with different accounts to high prices. The ones that loose are the "normal" traders that also happen to trade at these price...  

[TwinWinNerD]

here are other hackers:

twin's 100k
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=696356957947686421

LOL! that face is pretty damn funny

Well my face wans't after losing 10k$.

But hey, now i can laugh about it too!!!

how did the hack happen? id like to avoid it

Actually I am still not 100% sure how it happend. We came to the conclusion that it must be a Keylogger/trojan BUT then they would have had access to many online wallets and exchanges, and ONLY my NXT accounts were compromised. So overall strange, but it could have been avoided with using Linux or upping my Windows security.

[S3MKi]

I look at doge price and Nxt price and I remember this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TypdkNG0Yvo  

[twistelaar]

I have installed the new client on my mac, can somebody please tell me how to start the client?? I type the commands I normally did, but for some reason nothing happens in terminal.... thanks a lot!

You may just want to use http://nxtra.org/mac instead.

I Installed the mac client, when I try to open it, nothing happens.. What should I do? thanks

[TwinWinNerD]

I have installed the new client on my mac, can somebody please tell me how to start the client?? I type the commands I normally did, but for some reason nothing happens in terminal.... thanks a lot!

You may just want to use http://nxtra.org/mac instead.

I Installed the mac client, when I try to open it, nothing happens.. What should I do? thanks

this is NO help thread!

post your problem here: https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=4458306b3054372c9042eb7a5f90a4f4

[jl777]

Oke Im trying to open the client of wesley, I installed the extention in Chrome, I type NXT in the browser with a space, but nothing happens... does anybody now what do from here?

Don't worry about alias extensions for now, just download the client from: http://nxtra.org/mac/NxtMac.zip
unpack the ZIP file and copy it to your applications folder
Then launch the program, wait for it to download the blockchain
click on lock, put in a STRONG password (30+ random characters)

James

[sparta_cuss]

rickyjames, did u see that video http://vk.com/wall-64086699_42 ?? He told about u

LOL!  LOL! LOL!

I guess I am doing my own brand of advertising for NXT!  We all contribute what we can.

and still you haven't caught 1 thief or thief's Bitcointalk account or didn't find any new theft except of those who were found by others

All true.

Well, I do know that EpicThomas did indeed put out a poisoned client, and I do indeed know who he is in the real world...

Maybe we all had to just go away for a while to let the heist go to this next step...

But I told you about EpicThomas

That is true, Salsacz, I first heard about EpicThomas from you.

Thank you, plasticAiredale, for noticing this this transfer. I had given up on it.

And thanks again, RickyJames, for tracking the transfers and contacting the exchange owners.

salsacz, I am sorry, but I didn't know you were so instrumental in identifying EpicThomas. And so I didn't thank you, but I am doing it now. I really appreciate the way that you have contributed such a crucial piece to this investigation.

[twistelaar]

Oke Im trying to open the client of wesley, I installed the extention in Chrome, I type NXT in the browser with a space, but nothing happens... does anybody now what do from here?

Don't worry about alias extensions for now, just download the client from: http://nxtra.org/mac/NxtMac.zip
unpack the ZIP file and copy it to your applications folder
Then launch the program, wait for it to download the blockchain
click on lock, put in a STRONG password (30+ random characters)

James

I did everything you said, But for some reason the program doesnt open, its there in the application File, but it doenst open....

[delulo]

Is it known yet when a client with noticeable improved features will come out? Anything else (marketing wise or something) upcoming these days? 

[jl777]

Has there been some discussion here whether prices are manipulated?

https://nextcoin.org/index.php?topic=3303.0
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3284.0.html

Yes, they are manipulated by big traders.
Just like every other exchange in this universe, so don't worry 2 much about it.

What! You mean people actually put in small orders in the opposite direction that they want to move the market to where they want it to be for the big order? How can they do such a thing. NEWS FLASH: Wall Street traders have been doing stuff like this for over 100 years.

Whenever there is an open orderbook, everyone can see it and so it is possible to glean some information about what the market is about to do. Of course, people know this so discount this information or even reverse it.

I know that you know that I know that you know that I know,...

This is why it is not possible to predict short term price movements, just general direction is difficult enough. Pick a price you are happy to buy (or sell) at and then stick to it. If your analysis is correct, in time you will gain. If you are wrong, you will lose (or have to wait a long time to get out without a loss)

James

The mechanism I am thinking of is bots or the same person or a group of people trading most of the volume between each other with different accounts to high prices. The ones that loose are the "normal" traders that also happen to trade at these price...  

I doubt this is going on. Last night, bter was at large premiums to dgex. Also, bter has more volume than dgex now. There is a LOT of demand to trade NXT. Even at these levels less than 3% of NXT is being traded everyday. If what you say is going on, it would have been the reverse. In any case, there is no rule against trading among your own accts. This is all standard fare in the world of high frequency trading.

Just stick to a price you are comfortable with trading at and stick to it, until some fundamental change happens that affects your analysis.

For example, I was on the fence about DOGE, until I heard that they funded the jamaican bobsled team for olympics. That is the team that the movie "cool runnings" was based on. Combine this with the usual TV ratings of hundreds of millions of viewers and knowing that the story cannot help but get airtime with the dogs pulling sleds, bobsled, etc. I then saw DOGE was creeping up to its alltime high, so I decided to buy it counting on an overshoot and getting some nice room above my entry price to protect from volatility.

I got lucky as it immediately tripled in price, but I followed a process. I usually steer very clear of anything without technical merit, but the network effect with DOGE is so strong, it can bootstrap all the infrastructure it needs to survive and thrive.

So, why the long story? Well, what does it matter what bots are doing what if I am intending to hold until at least the Olympics are around the corner? It is like waves on the beach. Sometimes a big one comes crashing in unexpectedly, but if you are waiting for the tide to come in and go out, you can safely ignore all the waves.

Tides are much more predictable that waves.

James

[Framewood]

I'd like to also say thank you to Salsacz and RickyJames for getting on top of this and giving us some answers.

[jl777]

Oke Im trying to open the client of wesley, I installed the extention in Chrome, I type NXT in the browser with a space, but nothing happens... does anybody now what do from here?

Don't worry about alias extensions for now, just download the client from: http://nxtra.org/mac/NxtMac.zip
unpack the ZIP file and copy it to your applications folder
Then launch the program, wait for it to download the blockchain
click on lock, put in a STRONG password (30+ random characters)

James

I did everything you said, But for some reason the program doesnt open, its there in the application File, but it doenst open....

You are probably running an old version of Mac OS. I think you might need to install the JRE http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html  first,but only if your mac OS is recent enough.

James

[twistelaar]

Oke Im trying to open the client of wesley, I installed the extention in Chrome, I type NXT in the browser with a space, but nothing happens... does anybody now what do from here?

Don't worry about alias extensions for now, just download the client from: http://nxtra.org/mac/NxtMac.zip
unpack the ZIP file and copy it to your applications folder
Then launch the program, wait for it to download the blockchain
click on lock, put in a STRONG password (30+ random characters)

James

I did everything you said, But for some reason the program doesnt open, its there in the application File, but it doenst open....

You are probably running an old version of Mac OS. I think you might need to install the JRE first,but only if your mac OS is recent enough.

James

What is a JRE? I have the newest Mac OS

[salsacz]

Actually I am still not 100% sure how it happend. We came to the conclusion that it must be a Keylogger/trojan BUT then they would have had access to many online wallets and exchanges, and ONLY my NXT accounts were compromised. So overall strange, but it could have been avoided with using Linux or upping my Windows security.

You followed a link from this user, who deleted his posts:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?action=profile;u=120275

And you downloaded hacked program from this newbie:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?action=profile;u=170751;sa=showPosts

[salsacz]

I didn't know you were so instrumental in identifying EpicThomas. And so I didn't thank you, but I am doing it now. I really appreciate the way that you have contributed such a crucial piece to this investigation.

these people actually helped with investigation that lead to the identification:

First identified Nxt hacker

Robbed announcements:
PaulyC
01-01-2014, 14:03:40
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4253372#msg4253372

sparta_cuss
01-01-2014, 17:05:58
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4255475#msg4255475

newcn
01:40:33 AM (CET)
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4262475#msg4262475

plasticAiredale on Today at 13:31:39
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4269412#msg4269412

Hacker was still posting to the Nxt topic:

EpicThomas
01-01-2014, 19:18:39
Both bitcoin and nxt generate your address from a 256bit key. The only problem is that bitcoin generates your private key while nxt uses sha256(pass) to get your private key.
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4257117#msg4257117

Good points:
Come-from-Beyond on 01-01-2014, 20:43:09

- Someone cracked SHA256 and Curve25519 (why then multi-million accounts not hacked?)
- Someone distributes modified NRS (someone should decompile PaulyC's software)
- Keylogger
- He used online node that records entered passphrases

Patel: 01-01-2014, 20:48:22

Another possibility is that the global mod that went rogue from the nxtforum, he could have changed the download link to a infected copy of NRS and people who used that link from the forum were using a compromised version

BloodyRookie: 01-01-2014, 21:04:11

He should calculate the SHA256 Hash of the class files, no need to decompile.

opticalcarrier: 01-01-2014, 21:15:36

its unforunate that one of the links there is a mega.co server. paulyc please tell us if you downloaded from the mega.co link or not.
in fact, can you please look on your HD and get the zipfile and post it somewhere for us to look at.

Finale:
PaulyC
Today at 01:43:01

Has anyone else noticed the 4.8 download zip from nextcoin.org vs. the one from this exact link Nxt 0.4.8 - https://mega.co.nz/#!yV5A1BTR!oi33K7WovgccuEHvP05nzggTnxrkZHJbwFmv5tGeXNI
Are 5 Kb in difference? is that anything to be concerned about?

S3MKi
Today at 01:55:38

Where did you download your client 0.4.8?

utopianfuture
Today at 02:04:18

Looks like you downloaded a bogus client.

newcn found the hack:
newcn
Today at 02:21:33

the 0.4.8 client I used, I forgot where I downloaded it, but from chrome history,  the link was http://162.243.246.223/n...

Salsacz found the hacker's Bitcointalk account:
Salsacz, 02:38:10 AM (CET)
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4263111#msg4263111

LiQio found a proof in googlecache:
LiQio
Today at 14:16:48

Thanks for the additional info, seems to point again to EpicThomas
He quoted the original message, but modified the link! And later modified it back!
Check:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4237883#msg4237883
BUT in Google cache (Do not use the link found in cache!):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=

+ then I pointed out other posts where could be modified links

---

I am glad so we could find the wrong client and now we exactly know how it happened and how many people got robbed:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=345619.msg4271189#msg4271189
- We can still check some other blocks during the time of the hacks, but it looks like we can relax now

[jl777]

Oke Im trying to open the client of wesley, I installed the extention in Chrome, I type NXT in the browser with a space, but nothing happens... does anybody now what do from here?

Don't worry about alias extensions for now, just download the client from: http://nxtra.org/mac/NxtMac.zip
unpack the ZIP file and copy it to your applications folder
Then launch the program, wait for it to download the blockchain
click on lock, put in a STRONG password (30+ random characters)

James

I did everything you said, But for some reason the program doesnt open, its there in the application File, but it doenst open....

You are probably running an old version of Mac OS. I think you might need to install the JRE first,but only if your mac OS is recent enough.

James

What is a JRE? I have the newest Mac OS

I also see the same problem on a Mac with 10.7.5
I click on the NxtMac app, it starts but immediately exits.

I guess need to wait for universal client coming out next week

James