NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[pinarello]

Hey Aaron,
I'm putting on a debate about Metacoin layers on FRIDAY in miami, will anyone able to speak about NXT be able to attend?  Mastercoin, Ethereum and Bitshares will be there.  This will run on LTB as a full episode next week.

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Adam B. Levine
Editor-in-Chief
Let's Talk Bitcoin!

Oh how I wish I were in Miami.  Or anywhere even close.

I don't know how I feel about Nxt being described as a metacoin, but since Ethereum is also on the list, it's not so bad.  I have noted that Andreas has mentioned Nxt a few times as "a layer on top of Bitcoin", though, which bugs me.

I've been thinking about a few topics lately that Nxt proponents should address, because they're also hot topics in the Bitcoin world:  fungibility, transparency vs security, counteracting centralization, the "mining economy", numbers of transactions per block (and how they change over time) as a measure of value, maintaining strong consensus on the network, and "scarcity" (which I am beginning to think is simply a myth in the digital realm).  I think Nxt has some interesting solutions for these issues and think we should be documenting them in the whitepaper.  I swear I'll get to it one day.

I'm also wondering where we are with finding someone to take the 10BTC fund for a cryptanalysis on Curve25519 key generation and EC-KCDSA signing...?  I stumbled upon this guy, from Amsterdam, who proposed a Curve25519 cryptanalysis in 2009, and am wondering if any of our Netherlandic friends (Damelon??) might want to poke him: Cees de Laat

wait a little longer and THEY will beg to pay 20 BTC, asking to review it.

[pinarello]

BTW: how is marketing doing?

are we ready to drop the bomb when the client is ready.

[salsacz]

wrong topic

[twistelaar]

Does other people has also trouble with the client? Its slow and cant login...

[swartzfeger]

BTW: how is marketing doing?

are we ready to drop the bomb when the client is ready.

From the angle I've been involved with, seems to be going well. We've gathered dozens of address of writers at gawker, bloomberg, forbes, etc who've written about Bitcoin in the past. Justabit has already started a campaign of sorts with these folks. EDIT: campaign is probably much too strong of a word, 'introductory email' is probably a better phrase.

Also, a pretty cool tangent: Bitcoin at Burning Man

[brooklynbtc]

BTW: how is marketing doing?

are we ready to drop the bomb when the client is ready.

I'm working on my marketing project, will present for funding request soon

[bithic]

Hey Aaron,
I'm putting on a debate about Metacoin layers on FRIDAY in miami, will anyone able to speak about NXT be able to attend?  Mastercoin, Ethereum and Bitshares will be there.  This will run on LTB as a full episode next week.

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Adam B. Levine
Editor-in-Chief
Let's Talk Bitcoin!

Oh how I wish I were in Miami.  Or anywhere even close.

I don't know how I feel about Nxt being described as a metacoin, but since Ethereum is also on the list, it's not so bad.  I have noted that Andreas has mentioned Nxt a few times as "a layer on top of Bitcoin", though, which bugs me.

I've been thinking about a few topics lately that Nxt proponents should address, because they're also hot topics in the Bitcoin world:  fungibility, transparency vs security, counteracting centralization, the "mining economy", numbers of transactions per block (and how they change over time) as a measure of value, maintaining strong consensus on the network, and "scarcity" (which I am beginning to think is simply a myth in the digital realm).  I think Nxt has some interesting solutions for these issues and think we should be documenting them in the whitepaper.  I swear I'll get to it one day.

I'm also wondering where we are with finding someone to take the 10BTC fund for a cryptanalysis on Curve25519 key generation and EC-KCDSA signing...?  I stumbled upon this guy, from Amsterdam, who proposed a Curve25519 cryptanalysis in 2009, and am wondering if any of our Netherlandic friends (Damelon??) might want to poke him: Cees de Laat

Interesting event there. Could Niffy present NXT and talk about technical stuffs ? I don't think any technically strong guy plan to be in Miami yet.

What's a pity.  could someone go ? It is a excellent chance to present NXT. Ferment ? wesleyh ? Cfb ? how much would be a Belarus-Miami flight ticket ?

How about Ola 

Nifty is a great network engineer, but not a developer. Guys, it would be worth putting some of that bounty toward flying one of our developers to the conference. Getting in front of the movers and shakers is one of the most important PR opportunities for Nxt.

someone is probably better than no one and its almost thursday already. spread this around to everyone you can and lets just see if we can get ANYONE there by friday.

Are any of you technical and articulate folks able to make it for Friday if funds are not an issue? This is such a huge opportunity, and I would love to see someone like Anon or JoeFox there. I bet we can pull together some funds to get one of you there if you're able to clear your schedule. I would gladly chip in a couple hundred $-worth of Nxt, and I think others definitely would as well.

[Anon136]

Hey Aaron,
I'm putting on a debate about Metacoin layers on FRIDAY in miami, will anyone able to speak about NXT be able to attend?  Mastercoin, Ethereum and Bitshares will be there.  This will run on LTB as a full episode next week.

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Adam B. Levine
Editor-in-Chief
Let's Talk Bitcoin!

Oh how I wish I were in Miami.  Or anywhere even close.

I don't know how I feel about Nxt being described as a metacoin, but since Ethereum is also on the list, it's not so bad.  I have noted that Andreas has mentioned Nxt a few times as "a layer on top of Bitcoin", though, which bugs me.

I've been thinking about a few topics lately that Nxt proponents should address, because they're also hot topics in the Bitcoin world:  fungibility, transparency vs security, counteracting centralization, the "mining economy", numbers of transactions per block (and how they change over time) as a measure of value, maintaining strong consensus on the network, and "scarcity" (which I am beginning to think is simply a myth in the digital realm).  I think Nxt has some interesting solutions for these issues and think we should be documenting them in the whitepaper.  I swear I'll get to it one day.

I'm also wondering where we are with finding someone to take the 10BTC fund for a cryptanalysis on Curve25519 key generation and EC-KCDSA signing...?  I stumbled upon this guy, from Amsterdam, who proposed a Curve25519 cryptanalysis in 2009, and am wondering if any of our Netherlandic friends (Damelon??) might want to poke him: Cees de Laat

Interesting event there. Could Niffy present NXT and talk about technical stuffs ? I don't think any technically strong guy plan to be in Miami yet.

What's a pity.  could someone go ? It is a excellent chance to present NXT. Ferment ? wesleyh ? Cfb ? how much would be a Belarus-Miami flight ticket ?

How about Ola 

Nifty is a great network engineer, but not a developer. Guys, it would be worth putting some of that bounty toward flying one of our developers to the conference. Getting in front of the movers and shakers is one of the most important PR opportunities for Nxt.

someone is probably better than no one and its almost thursday already. spread this around to everyone you can and lets just see if we can get ANYONE there by friday.

Are any of you technical and articulate folks able to make it for Friday if funds are not an issue? This is such a huge opportunity, and I would love to see someone like Anon or JoeFox there. I bet we can pull together some funds to get one of you there if you're able to clear your schedule. I would gladly chip in a couple hundred $-worth of Nxt, and I think others definitely would as well.

nonononono no way. you would not want to put me on a stage in front of people. i would singlehandedly bring the price down to 0.00001 by the time I was done.

[joefox]

Are any of you technical and articulate folks able to make it for Friday if funds are not an issue? This is such a huge opportunity, and I would love to see someone like Anon or JoeFox there. I bet we can pull together some funds to get one of you there if you're able to clear your schedule. I would gladly chip in a couple hundred $-worth of Nxt, and I think others definitely would as well.

I am technical and articulate and have been slowly sifting through source code to understand things better, BUT I don't feel like I could field questions from cryptographers or software engineers without imploding.  I can talk about Nxt, and some of the challenges it faces, but the CfB-BCNext filter is a little too opaque to be useful for understanding the deep fundamentals (after only two months of this stuff, the exhaustion is overwhelming: "the source code is the whitepaper!", "community must decide", "Enigma!", "Tease!", "u are incorrect check thread for answers plz", "wait for third part of plan", "many riddles in the source if you look", etc.)

I'd say some nice things about Nxt, and then one guy would raise his hand and ask "can you explain the rationale behind basing a cryptocurrency on a mix of Curve25519, EC-KCDSA, and SHA-256 when no papers exist that assess the semantic security of that particular Diffie-Hellman key exchange algorithm, and it is has only traditionally been favoured for its calculation speeds?", and I would suddenly smell toast and collapse into an apoplectic heap, muttering "just ask Beyonce it all comes from Beyonce" and weeping.  THEN watch the price.

It's a real Catch-22.  Getting a chance to take part in a panel that would be included in the (always awesome and SO VALUABLE) Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast is *exquisite*, but the person to talk about the advent and future of metacoins is currently living in Belarus and busy until April.

MY VOTE would be for someone like wesley, ferment, opticalcarrier, rickyjames or ricot.

[maco]

*** ANNOUNCEMENT - GOOGLE-PLAY NXT APP is available for DOWNLOAD ***
Developed by: me (http://www.CryptoAlliances.com)

Special Thanks to Klee, CFB, Hash, nifty, and Uniqueorn
We setup a community bounty but no one else contributed...

Did anyone see the new release of the NXT app?
I released it privately since it wasn't heavily funded and I did not reach the community bounty of my ask.
However, I rolled it out privately from those who did invest and now you can access through
Google Play found here => https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nextcoin.nxt.app

I will try this again, if you want to support for these efforts simply send NXT: 17932213540910916819

At least now I know the community will back me up because you'll have access to all the important news daily to stay up to date on NXT.

The App is now released and ready for download via Google Play!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nextcoin.nxt.app

Send NXT if you +1 this app: 17932213540910916819

[brooklynbtc]

I'd say BECAUSE of the undefined qualities of NXT, the things that CfB hints about but are not yet reveled, That any one outside of the Dev Team is going to get themselves in more trouble than its worth on stage at a Q&A like this, and will only let the FUD spread.

People like answers to questions before they spend their money. better to not be involved than to be on stage saying "i dunno, i dunno"

[bithic]

Are any of you technical and articulate folks able to make it for Friday if funds are not an issue? This is such a huge opportunity, and I would love to see someone like Anon or JoeFox there. I bet we can pull together some funds to get one of you there if you're able to clear your schedule. I would gladly chip in a couple hundred $-worth of Nxt, and I think others definitely would as well.

I am technical and articulate and have been slowly sifting through source code to understand things better, BUT I don't feel like I could field questions from cryptographers or software engineers without imploding.  I can talk about Nxt, and some of the challenges it faces, but the CfB-BCNext filter is a little too opaque to be useful for understanding the deep fundamentals (after only two months of this stuff, the exhaustion is overwhelming: "the source code is the whitepaper!", "community must decide", "Enigma!", "Tease!", "u are incorrect check thread for answers plz", "wait for third part of plan", "many riddles in the source if you look", etc.)

I'd say some nice things about Nxt, and then one guy would raise his hand and ask "can you explain the rationale behind basing a cryptocurrency on a mix of Curve25519, EC-KCDSA, and SHA-256 when no papers exist that assess the semantic security of that particular Diffie-Hellman key exchange algorithm, and it is has only traditionally been favoured for its calculation speeds?", and I would suddenly smell toast and collapse into an apoplectic heap, muttering "just ask Beyonce it all comes from Beyonce" and weeping.  THEN watch the price.

It's a real Catch-22.  Getting a chance to take part in a panel that would be included in the (always awesome and SO VALUABLE) Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast is *exquisite*, but the person to talk about the advent and future of metacoins is currently living in Belarus and busy until April.

MY VOTE would be for someone like wesley, ferment, opticalcarrier, rickyjames or ricot.

Ok, any of you guys willing to take a break and step into the limelight?

nonononono no way. you would not want to put me on a stage in front of people. i would singlehandedly bring the price down to 0.00001 by the time I was done.

I think you guys (Anon and JoeFox) are too hard on yourselves. You've demonstrated a keen understanding of the key features and vision behind Nxt. Certainly more than enough to satisfy 99% of the viewers. If someone asks a question you don't feel qualified to answer I don't think it would be damaging to admit your limitations and direct them to where they can find the answer.

[brooklynbtc]

NXT Event Marketing Information and Redemption Cards

Proposal for Marketing Concept – jefdiesel


https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3441.0.html

Please have a read, and contribute ideas to this. Thanks

[MadCow]

I'd say BECAUSE of the undefined qualities of NXT, the things that CfB hints about but are not yet reveled, That any one outside of the Dev Team is going to get themselves in more trouble than its worth on stage at a Q&A like this, and will only let the FUD spread.

People like answers to questions before they spend their money. better to not be involved than to be on stage saying "i dunno, i dunno"

I agree. Only C-f-B or BCNext could do this. NXT would come off badly in a beauty competition right now. Mastercoin, Ethereum and Bitshares would make NXT look badly organised, which would be unfair.

Publicity is always good, but dangerous when your rival is standing next to you with a coherent message & a credible messenger. NXT has neither.

[IveBeenBit]

It's unfortunate that there's no one in Nxt right now up for the challenge of appearing in Miami.

I agree though, that to be absent is better than to be present and keep repeating "I don't know. I don't know."

Let's Talk Bitcoin is hugely influential though, and this is a critical time when several 2nd gen crypto implementations are just coming on line. It will be a shame to have to pass on this opportunity.

I'd just like to say to anyone that could potentially fill this role...I have been listening to Let's Talk Bitcoin for a long time and I've never really heard them ask hard questions of their guests.

Even more questionable people like BFL Josh and the Mastercoin Willet guy get coddled...so if you're on the fence about going, you should probably do it and count on softball questions.

[erik__]

I'd say BECAUSE of the undefined qualities of NXT, the things that CfB hints about but are not yet reveled, That any one outside of the Dev Team is going to get themselves in more trouble than its worth on stage at a Q&A like this, and will only let the FUD spread.

People like answers to questions before they spend their money. better to not be involved than to be on stage saying "i dunno, i dunno"

I agree. Only C-f-B or BCNext could do this. NXT would come off badly in a beauty competition right now. Mastercoin and the others would make NXT look badly organised, which would be unfair.

I disagree.  Having someone there who understands the history, current main features along, and differences between the other coins would be helpful.  Just don't hype the future plans too much as who knows if they will turn out to be vaporware or not at this stage.  A little mystery about Nxt isn't bad, it's intriguing.

[brooklynbtc]

either way, it needs to be planned and prepped for, not just throw a guy on stage and letter' rip

[utopianfuture]

I'd say BECAUSE of the undefined qualities of NXT, the things that CfB hints about but are not yet reveled, That any one outside of the Dev Team is going to get themselves in more trouble than its worth on stage at a Q&A like this, and will only let the FUD spread.

People like answers to questions before they spend their money. better to not be involved than to be on stage saying "i dunno, i dunno"

I agree. Only C-f-B or BCNext could do this. NXT would come off badly in a beauty competition right now. Mastercoin and the others would make NXT look badly organised, which would be unfair.

I disagree.  It's better to have someone there who understands the history, current main features along, and differences between the other coins is helpful.  Just don't hype the future plans too much as who knows if they will turn out to be vaporware or not at this stage.  A little mystery about Nxt isn't bad, it's intriguing.

Nifty could do it. Just be prepared to say I don't know if facing too technical questions . Many loyal nxters could point out many next features and advantages compared to other alternatives. Nifty is one of them. Clearly better than no one there to present.

[dzarmush]

I'd say BECAUSE of the undefined qualities of NXT, the things that CfB hints about but are not yet reveled, That any one outside of the Dev Team is going to get themselves in more trouble than its worth on stage at a Q&A like this, and will only let the FUD spread.

People like answers to questions before they spend their money. better to not be involved than to be on stage saying "i dunno, i dunno"

I agree. Only C-f-B or BCNext could do this. NXT would come off badly in a beauty competition right now. Mastercoin and the others would make NXT look badly organised, which would be unfair.

I disagree.  Having someone there who understands the history, current main features along, and differences between the other coins would be helpful.  Just don't hype the future plans too much as who knows if they will turn out to be vaporware or not at this stage.  A little mystery about Nxt isn't bad, it's intriguing.

Absolutely. Anybody can do this, just need to be prepeared. Cfb is here, he could help and answer questions if something is unclear. It's not an exam or something, we just need a person who understands the basics and can speak.

Did you see Bill Still speaking about QRK? All he was saying was: "I'm no expert here but it's growing! It's growing 300%, although I'm no expert. Again, I'm no expert here, but it's very secured and it's growing.". And it was enough. Everybody liked it. You'll be presenting Nxt to regular people, not tech geniuses.

[MadCow]

I'd say BECAUSE of the undefined qualities of NXT, the things that CfB hints about but are not yet reveled, That any one outside of the Dev Team is going to get themselves in more trouble than its worth on stage at a Q&A like this, and will only let the FUD spread.

People like answers to questions before they spend their money. better to not be involved than to be on stage saying "i dunno, i dunno"

I agree. Only C-f-B or BCNext could do this. NXT would come off badly in a beauty competition right now. Mastercoin and the others would make NXT look badly organised, which would be unfair.

I disagree.  It's better to have someone there who understands the history, current main features along, and differences between the other coins is helpful.  Just don't hype the future plans too much as who knows if they will turn out to be vaporware or not at this stage.  A little mystery about Nxt isn't bad, it's intriguing.

Nifty could do it. Just be prepared to say I don't know if facing too technical questions . Many loyal nxters could point out many next features and advantages compared to other alternatives. Nifty is one of them. Clearly better than no one there to present.

So if somebody goes they have to make it clear they aren't there to represent NXT, but just as an interested party who has followed NXT. All the others would have someone 'representing' , or a 'spokesperson'.

Just need to make it clear there is no NXT representative yet.

Satoshi paved the way for the mystery man creator, so maybe it's worth the risk.