NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[Zahlen]

James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?

[Passion_ltc]

James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?

Maybe we just follow the cryptocurrency style. Open source. Free to use. For everyone!

[jl777]

James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?

When FC started bragging that he could do anything he wanted because of the license, I got the idea of making simple change to license. FC violates the spirit of, well, everything. I just want to be able to enforce the spirit in which NXT was created.

I am not saying that we sue anybody. Only that we have the option of sueing. It is a deterrent to get rid of pesky pests.

James

[jl777]

James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?

Maybe we just follow the cryptocurrency style. Open source. Free to use. For everyone!

Usage is fine. Stealing outright is not.

[Zahlen]

James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?

When FC started bragging that he could do anything he wanted because of the license, I got the idea of making simple change to license. FC violates the spirit of, well, everything. I just want to be able to enforce the spirit in which NXT was created.

I am not saying that we sue anybody. Only that we have the option of sueing. It is a deterrent to get rid of pesky pests.

James

Let them be pesky. They can develop their clones, but at any point we wish, we can publicize our prior (and likely superior) work. Then we may gain users from them, while they lose out.

[jl777]

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree?
Seems like it could be a slippery slope....

OK, how about a license that prohibits just FC from doing anything with our stuff

[Passion_ltc]

James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?

Maybe we just follow the cryptocurrency style. Open source. Free to use. For everyone!

Usage is fine. Stealing outright is not.

Things like clients should be open source and free to use for everyone. Things like web services shouldn't be open source.. Look at all the BTC and LTC clones. Everyone uses the same client/wallet. And it wasn't created by satoshi. Did it harm BTC or LTC? No..

[Zahlen]

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree?
Seems like it could be a slippery slope....

OK, how about a license that prohibits just FC from doing anything with our stuff

Lol

(EvilDave probably has some thoughts on this)

[Damelon]

I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.

So you think is OK for FC to copy paste and then rip people off?
I want to prevent that. it is bad for NXT to be associated with ripoff artists

I won't talk about pictures and videos, I don't know how to protected them. But Nxt code is protected against frictionlesscoins. Right now if FC launched his coin based on current 0.5.11 binary, I would be able to kill this coin within 24 hours using a small java program and my notebook. This is how protection works in cryptoworld.

Makes sense. Then we just need to put copyright notices on all artwork, text, etc. That automatically provides legal protection from theft. I just want there to be a non-technical deterrent from thieves. As NXT gets bigger and bigger, it can't help but overlap the real world more and more.

Knowing identity of carlos allows credible legal threat to stop his nonsense. He doesn't care about actually running a coin, so your protection doesn't work. People will still get scammed and then might blame NXT.

James

Copyright is automatic at the time of creation. You just need to be able to prove you made the first copy. That's how it works in creative works.
Also, it depends on the artist/creator what to do with it. Maybe they wánt CC.

Not trying to put a downer on it, but in this niche (crypto), adding a (c) to things would probably be very much anti-marketing. I would be very hesitant to do it at this point.

If someone like FC tries a stunt like that again, I would again invade his thread and first ask him to stop using the video's without permission.

Only after that, I'd use copyright.

As you can see in this thread, the word copyright and legality raises all kinds of red flags immediately.

No problem with protecting Nxt, but shouldn't we also think of more creative ways of doing it?

In short, it doesn't sit well with me.

[PeercoinEnthusiast]

Why dont you just start with delegating 2 people per conference instead of 5?

this is smart.  Since we have so many people lined up for Dallas, I volunteer to wait later this year and go to Las Vegas.

2 people is barely enough unless you don't feel like sleeping for those 2 days. 3 would be much better.

[SZZT]

Right now if FC launched his coin based on current 0.5.11 binary, I would be able to kill this coin within 24 hours using a small java program and my notebook. This is how protection works in cryptoworld.

[Zahlen]

Copyright is automatic at the time of creation. You just need to be able to prove you made the first copy. That's how it works in creative works.

Timestamping will solve this. We could even put up a bounty for novel ways of doing this if there's a need.

[NxtChg]

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree?
Seems like it could be a slippery slope....

OK, how about a license that prohibits just FC from doing anything with our stuff

You will hurt NXT more by fighting with people like FC.

And by breaking open-source spirit you will turn away many potential developers.

Don't make us look like dicks.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Come-from-Beyond:

There are so many encrypted AM on the blockchain ( http://nxtarea.com/amexplorer.php ).

Is this the work of your pow coin, based on the Nxt system?

No. Lakshmi AMs start with "Lakshmi0" prefix and non-encrypted.

[cryptolawyer]

All projects funded by the NXTfund, needs to be open source. unless community objects, I want all NXTfund projects to have a license that does NOT allow usage outside of NXT and NXT testnet. It is one thing to publish source and allow testing. Another to let FC just steal it.

If you are going this route, it might be a good idea to figure out what open licences are compatible with a usage restriction.  A usage restriction is GPL-incompatible (section 6 of GPLv2, section 10 of GPLv3).  Don't know about the other OSI licences.

I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

10000 NXT BOUNTY OFFER:

legal clause that allows us to properly limit clones stealing NXT code, while still keeping us in compliance with the open source licenses we use.

Maybe if jean-luc would release the refactored core under a no-clone license, it would solve this?

Any lawyers out there?

James

What license is the code being released under now?

[Damelon]

Copyright is automatic at the time of creation. You just need to be able to prove you made the first copy. That's how it works in creative works.

Timestamping will solve this. We could even put up a bounty for novel ways of doing this if there's a need.

In poor artist land we would just snailmail manuscripts to ourselves.
Easiest way to do it years back.

Or we would go to the tax office to get an official stamp from them with a date on it.

Ah, the days of yesterday... *cue melancholic music*

[Uniqueorn]

Let's stop worrying about Frictionless, sooner or later his parents will ground him and take away his internet connection. Let's stop wasting energy on him.

[Zahlen]

Copyright is automatic at the time of creation. You just need to be able to prove you made the first copy. That's how it works in creative works.

Timestamping will solve this. We could even put up a bounty for novel ways of doing this if there's a need.

In poor artist land we would just snailmail manuscripts to ourselves.
Easiest way to do it years back.

Or we would go to the tax office to get an official stamp from them with a date on it.

Ah, the days of yesterday... *cue melancholic music*

So since we're the Nxt generation, we gotta figure out decentralized, trustless ways of doing this. (Or are solutions already available for digital data?)

EDIT: Crude and flawed way: AM with SHA256 hash of the work. AM automatically has a timestamp. But will get cleared during block shrinking. Also doesn't scale well when the work gets updated to newer versions.

EDIT 2: Better way: Alias with hash of the work.

[SZZT]

My interpretation is that any NXT holder is damaged by anybody that steals NXT property. So theoretically, anybody owning NXT at the time of infringement would have standing to sue. Is that wrong?
James

And when a stakeholder is actually doing those things? Copying, cloning etc? isn't that the case with all those clones?

[NxtChg]

So since we're the Nxt generation, we gotta figure out decentralized, trustless ways of doing this. (Or are solutions already available for digital data?)

Sign it, put in AM, done