NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[bitcoinpaul]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

[opticalcarrier]

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

I have to agree.  Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

[Damelon]

Update on the bandwidth question: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3755.0.html

[ImmortAlex]

LET SING THE US NATIONAL ANTHEM TOGETHER!

Plagiarism...

[smartwart]

...
By the way, we didin't have a voting discussion in a long time.
How about voting power is proportional to the fees paid in the last X month by that account?
This still allows the biggest wallet to win but helps getting some coins into circulation and only allows active users to have a vote. Plus it should be easy to verify.

Update: Collecting Voting Models and Options

More and more it becomes clear there is not THE ONE way for VS.
But there are different poll-categories, e.g "assets polls" is different category as "best button-color polls".

The poll initiator should be able to choose boundary conditions depending on poll-topic.
The poll boundary conditions need to be transparent during run time.
To be more constructive lets try to collect some "Voting Models":

general options:

- min. permitted Account Deposit

- min. permitted Account age (Blocks)

- poll duration (Blocks)

- Voting Fee


Voting Models:

+ 1 NXT        ==   1 Vote  { vote = Func(accountBalance) }

+ 1 NXT        ==   X Vote  { x = Func(accountBalance) =  polynom * accountBalance}

+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { vote = Func(accountBalance) =  0.5 * accountBalance}

Jcsarokrin:
+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { Biometric Authenification: http://juliansarokin.com/100-years-the-future-of-government/ }

ChuckOne:  
+  1 Account  ==   X Vote = X( Voting Fee ) = log(fee)+1
+  1 NXT       ==    X Vote = X( Voting Fee, Account Deposit)   =  log(fee/balance)+1

Anon136:
+ 1 Account + 1 solved captcha  ==   1Vote

MarvellousMutant:
+ 1 Account   ==  X Vote = X(TransactionFee)                             =  log(tractFee)+1
+ 1 Account   ==  X Vote = X(TransactionFee, TransactionNumber)  =  log(tractFee*TransactionNumber)+1


no claim to completeness!


We need to discuss selection options too:
[true]    [false]    [abstention]
I think [abstention] provides an important information too.
E.g. a high count of [abstention] tells the poll creator "interesting question buddy, but not this way!!!" ...

It makes sense to collect all ideas to keep the overview.
Please extent the "general options" and "voting models" and "selection options" ideas!!!



@ MarvellousMutant:

I was adding some assumptions based on your approach.
Please feel free to modify it or add something!!!

[Come-from-Beyond]

Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

Dumping? What r u talking about?

[bitcoinpaul]

Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

He needs to anonymize his NXT in order to invest in a company. A company which will use Nxt, btw.

[ImmortAlex]

Im very confused with all the puzzles and riddles as well.  It concerns me when CfB is dumping, all the while saying "BCNext said to trust no one on the internet, especially if they are named BCNext"
 

Dumping? What r u talking about?

[opticalcarrier]

Dumping? What r u talking about?

well not dumping on an exchange, you are trying to get rid of all your NXT.  Or did I confuse your post?

[Come-from-Beyond]

Dumping? What r u talking about?

well not dumping on an exchange, you are trying to get rid of all your NXT.  Or did I confuse your post?

U did.

[BitcoinForumator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-9miCOsg4g

From 0:53:00 onward - the importance of the first mover and the timeframe of the rollout of features from competition...

[msin]

it is hurting NXT no matter what.
it is hurting current price of 1 NXT no matter what.

Fixed.

translation:
"It helps the wide and easy distribution"

Yes. BCNext doesn't care about the price.

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

What specific info do you want?  I believe CFB has been pretty straight forward about what is being implemented in the future.  We have several features and more on the way, things take time to develop.  

[gs02xzz]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

I don't think BCNext can give us as much information as we want because someone else will simply copy his ideas before we can implement them. We are not ready yet. We are lucky to have cfb to answer all the questions.

[pinarello]

LET SING THE US NATIONAL ANTHEM TOGETHER!

Which one?

[Uniqueorn]

it is hurting NXT no matter what.
it is hurting current price of 1 NXT no matter what.

Fixed.

translation:
"It helps the wide and easy distribution"

Yes. BCNext doesn't care about the price.

This is trivializing my question and misinterpreting my statements.
I said it hurts NXT, not the price, but NXT itself.

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community, but perhaps he is truly that bad at reading people and markets. I don't know, I don't know anything about him really.

All I know is that YOU CfB talk about his upcoming plans as if they will change and make sense of everything and then when someone is even a tadbit critical, you get all defensive and accuse others of relying on BCNext. That is just wrong in my opinion.


Again: all I want is more info so we can collaborate as a unified community towards a common goal. Why you keep mentioning the price of 1 NXT is beyond me.

What specific info do you want?  I believe CFB has been pretty straight forward about what is being implemented in the future.  We have several features and more on the way, things take time to develop.  

Specifically I want more openness. CfB keeps talking about what will happen and mention BCNexts mysterious future plans as if they are the game changer, yet we, the people, get no knowledge of this until later on.
My question is basically: Why?

Why the need for secrecy and mystery? It simply cause confusion and uncertainty, which is the last thing you need in a new world that is ruled by scams, empty promises and paranoia. Hell BCNext who is so paranoid he wont even post anymore should understand this better than anyone.
NXT needs branding and marketing, it seems finally that everyone understands this, but then it shouldn't be hard to realize that the current atmosphere of uncertainty hurts NXT and lead important people away from NXT.
As someone who has worked in this area of NXT for almost 2 months now I can tell you that the biggest obstacle NXT has faced is to convince people it's not a IPO scam due to the very bad distribution. There is A LOT of uncertainty resting over NXT that hurts NXT.

Like CfB mentions over and over, we the community shouldn't rely on BCNext and that we need to develope ourselves. This is all fine and well, but then he turns around and says that the upcoming secret plans is where the real juice is at and just adds further uncertainty to everything which again lead the developers to view NXT as too uncertain to invest time and energy into. It's just one big mess.

If the reason is that he fears that someone will copy his ideas then that is obviously understandable, but why can't he then state that officially?
I just don't see why it is so hard for him to communicate to the community through CfB and remove all of this lingering uncertainty.

I have nothing against CfB, CfB knows this very well and noone is mad that things take time, but if we had more info on why certain things takes the time it does and so on then it would be easier for all of us to help out with things. It's really that simple.

[Uniqueorn]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

I don't think BCNext can give us as much information as we want because someone else will simply copy his ideas before we can implement them. We are not ready yet. We are lucky to have cfb to answer all the questions.

Then he should just come right out and explain why he choose to do it this way and then we'd have our answer.
Also CfB is gone in 2 months, if by then we haven't managed to quench all of this and become a unified community, well.... that wont be pretty

[Come-from-Beyond]

It's really that simple.

Genesis account passphrase is known to everyone. BCNext can't say anything officially anymore.

[pinarello]

It seems people forget that the reason people have invested in NXT is due to the promised features, not the current incarnation. It would be downright fraudlent if the promised features don't come into existence.

Missing one's targets and fraud are two different things.

Apple can say that they will make X dollars in the 3rd quarter,  if they miss, then that's not fraud.

Nxt can say they will have Z features,  if they never deliver,  then that's not fraud.

So the price of Nxt is somewhat determines by the possibility that these features will become part of Nxt or not.   Well right now,  that doesn't look like a very high possibility.


The developers are bailing and I don't see any volunteers.  Did you see anyone volunteer after CfB bailed?

Will you take over from cfb for us?

[bitcoinpaul]

I would think BCNext too would have the insight to understand that having a common goal to work towards is healthy for the community

Well, we have 2 options:

1. Take current version of Nxt and keep develop it in our own way, without changes added by BCNext
2. Wait for 2nd and 3rd parts of BCNext's plan, read them and decide if we need to follow them. If we don't then see point 1.

In any case we lose nothing. Nxt already has more features than Bitcoin.

2 1+2 is the wise choice. This incredible community can create fantastic things. If we would solely rely on BCNext plans we would miss chances to develop great ideas and features BCNext wouldn't thought of. Why not merge OUR ideas with BCNext ideas?

I don't think BCNext can give us as much information as we want because someone else will simply copy his ideas before we can implement them. We are not ready yet. We are lucky to have cfb to answer all the questions.

I was not precise enough. Until BCNext talks about plan 2 and 3, we can develop great ideas, BCNext might never thought of. It is good we don't know about his plans.

[Zahlen]

Is anyone familiar with how DOGEcoin marketing is run?
How is it organized?

Who is in charge?

Decentralized. A redittor has an idea and makes a thread on /r/dogecoin. If people like, they will contribute ideas and maybe DOGE to it. Maybe the OP needs help making it happen, other people will contribute skills and materials.

The ideas are mainly sponsoring things (Save Dogemas, Sean's Outpost, Jamaican bobsled team, Indian luger), getting shops to accept DOGE (many have, after hearing about DOGE, or getting lots of e-mails from redittors), creating cool stuff like artwork (e.g Doge Inside animation, based on Intel Inside)


(There is a centralized Dogecoin Foundation, but I don't think they do marketing.)

I would like to get an understanding of how it functions.[/b]

Best way to understand is to make a reddit account, spend some on /r/dogecoin. And and remember to tip other shibes