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[Come-from-Beyond]

That takes us to 2). What are your suggestions and what do you think of the even split between the 1440 forgers of that day.

I like the idea when 1 forger gets all the fees of that script.

[ChuckOne]

Shouldnt this announcement be in big bold red letters all over the place? How do you expect everyone to upgrade due to a critical bug if you don't make it seem serious and disclose the matter nonchalantly.

Jean-Luc said "immediatelly", why do we need big bold red letters?

Because it just blends and gets washed away with the torrent of posts. Really, there should be a separate thread for important client updates and everyone should be directed to it so we have an easy way to check for important info like this without it getting buried in 5 minutes. The only reason I caught jean lucs post was because it was quoted on the most recent page and I happened to scroll down to it.

Also because the emphasis is clearly needed if its a critical bug. The average user, if they even happen to catch that post, isn't going to drop everything they are doing and upgrade their client unless it actually seems urgent. They will read that, tell themselves they'll do it a bit later, then forget. Does this bug put users money at risk?

A thread exists for updates.  Add to your watchlist and post a message when a new version comes out.  NxtChoice has kept the original post up-to-date, but would be better if accompanied by a new message for watchlist.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=406288.0

Thanks. Watching now. Still, there is no data regarding changes in releases in that thread or the posts it links to. I could have already been following it and still not have known about any critical flaws.

I made new post quoting JLP.  Suggest others do the same when a new release comes out (once is enough per release).

+1

[marcus03]

Shouldnt this announcement be in big bold red letters all over the place? How do you expect everyone to upgrade due to a critical bug if you don't make it seem serious and disclose the matter nonchalantly.

Jean-Luc said "immediatelly", why do we need big bold red letters?

Because it just blends and gets washed away with the torrent of posts. Really, there should be a separate thread for important client updates and everyone should be directed to it so we have an easy way to check for important info like this without it getting buried in 5 minutes. The only reason I caught jean lucs post was because it was quoted on the most recent page and I happened to scroll down to it.

Also because the emphasis is clearly needed if its a critical bug. The average user, if they even happen to catch that post, isn't going to drop everything they are doing and upgrade their client unless it actually seems urgent. They will read that, tell themselves they'll do it a bit later, then forget. Does this bug put users money at risk?

A thread exists for updates.  Add to your watchlist and post a message when a new version comes out.  NxtChoice has kept the original post up-to-date, but would be better if accompanied by a new message for watchlist.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=406288.0

Thanks. Watching now. Still, there is no data regarding changes in releases in that thread or the posts it links to. I could have already been following it and still not have known about any critical flaws.

I am about to go ballistic... Why havn't you updated that post? Are you here to critize only? Just get your a** up and act yourself instead of jumping onto others... Geez.

[ChuckOne]

That takes us to 2). What are your suggestions and what do you think of the even split between the 1440 forgers of that day.

I like the idea when 1 forger gets all the fees of that script.

Okay.

Maybe, you can elaborate more on this.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Okay.

Maybe, you can elaborate more on this.

It's already implemented, no need to make things more complicated.

[ChuckOne]

I am about to go ballistic... Why havn't you updated that post? Are you here to critize only? Just get your a** up and act yourself instead of jumping onto others... Geez.

Woooh, relax.

[ejhuff]

If there was a guide for how to run a static-IP / VPS node, I might be willing to do it.

It's the same as running a local node. Just set ur IP in web.xml.

I've been looking all over for this little piece of information...  It is not available on the wiki, or the OP, etc.

[opticalcarrier]

If there was a guide for how to run a static-IP / VPS node, I might be willing to do it.

It's the same as running a local node. Just set ur IP in web.xml.

I've been looking all over for this little piece of information...  It is not available on the wiki, or the OP, etc.

There is something on the wiki

http://www.thenxtwiki.org/wiki/How-To:CreatePublicNode

I havent checked to see how you nav to it from the wiki frontpage though, so you may have given us a littly job to do.

[ChuckOne]

Okay.

Maybe, you can elaborate more on this.

It's already implemented,

Good point.

no need to make things more complicated.

Well, I see potential for a lot of nodes dropping out (i.e. controlling the correct execution of the scripts) because they cannot afford executing them.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Well, I see potential for a lot of nodes dropping out (i.e. controlling the correct execution of the scripts) because they cannot afford executing them.

Let's get solid numbers of opcode/sec rate first.

[VanBreuk]

Shouldnt this announcement be in big bold red letters all over the place? How do you expect everyone to upgrade due to a critical bug if you don't make it seem serious and disclose the matter nonchalantly.

The fact Jean-Luc urges everyone to update for a critical issue is enough to do it. Reasons might not be disclosed to avoid malicious exploits in a 0.5.11 vulnerability.

Sorry, but it is not.

If not updating has such large consequences, it needs to be coordinated at least with nxtcrypto so QBTC can put it in the front page.

People who don´t read this thread have no idea they need to update and basically no way of knowing it.

I understood buybitcoinscanada and others were questioning not only the discreet announcement, but why the details were not disclosed as well. Hence my comment.

I didn't intend to suggest that spreading the word was unnecessary, apologies if it appeared that way... I did update my spanish resources and nextcoin.org's three hours ago.

[ChuckOne]

Well, I see potential for a lot of nodes dropping out (i.e. controlling the correct execution of the scripts) because they cannot afford executing them.

Let's get solid numbers of opcode/sec rate first.

Agreed.

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Just to have said it and not to forget it later: another note on that: we could limit the number of ops per block as we limit the number of transactions per block.

[ChuckOne]

I understood buybitcoinscanada and others were questioning not only the discreet announcement, but why the details were not disclosed as well. Hence my comment.

Because it's dangerous to disclose these details at once. We call this zero-day exploit.

[marcus03]

Calming down already.

I'm not the dev. They are.

This seems to be the common misconception. CfB is constantly hinting people that devs won't do all the work.

Of course, if you are not a dev, you are not a dev, but nothing keeps you from being a part of the NXT community and do what you can do to make NXT a success. Just nagging doesn't help.

[joefox]

If there was a guide for how to run a static-IP / VPS node, I might be willing to do it.

It's the same as running a local node. Just set ur IP in web.xml.

I've been looking all over for this little piece of information...  It is not available on the wiki, or the OP, etc.

There is something on the wiki

http://www.thenxtwiki.org/wiki/How-To:CreatePublicNode

I havent checked to see how you nav to it from the wiki frontpage though, so you may have given us a littly job to do.

It's linked off the menu on the left-hand side, through "How To Guides". You can also use the search bar; in this case, "VPS" is a particularly useful search term.

[pandaisftw]

I vote for 0.1. How hard is it to implement min fee change? If it is very difficult (either program-wise or logistically) then maybe 0.01 is a better idea for now.

[IveBeenBit]

Might I suggest that you do not hold your breath as you wait for the apology?

I obviously can’t stay in a community where four words and a stupid smiley makes somebody wish you death and don’t even think about apologizing (don’t bother doing it now in case your consciousness suddenly wakes up, it’s too late).

And I am tired of being one guy on the other side of everybody else. A cohesive community is much more important than stupid arguments.
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Huh? Somebody gave you a death threat? That's crazy.
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he is referring to my previous PUBLIC comment to him in this thread that if he cant figure out how play nice here with everyone (what everyone else was asking of him) that he should go play in traffic as far as I was concerned.  Notice he never used the phrase "death threat", but that is exactly what he wanted you all to think and you fell for more of his drama.

Not sure what forum rules are regarding posting PM (it's a dick move at the least, unless illegal content) but he failed to include the rest of my PM since if he did it would not support his drama.  Since I was the sender of the PM then I can justify posting it here:

But I am optimistic that instead of being a complete jackass to everyone who you think is going off in the wrong direction, that you can instead provide better guidance instead of reverting to a complete jackass. I do see 1 recent instance of that, perhaps you can keep it up?

i guess he couldnt

[ChuckOne]

I vote for 0.1. How hard is it to implement min fee change? If it is very difficult (either program-wise or logistically) then maybe 0.01 is a better idea for now.

Why would you prefer a lower fee?

[ChuckOne]

0.25   Passion_ltc
0.01   landomata
0.1   CIYAM Open
0.1   longzai1988
0.1   LiQio
0.1   pinarello
0.01   minusbalancer
0.1   TwinWinNerD
0.1   bitcoinpaul
0.1   BitcoinForumator
0.1   grex
0.01   smaragda
0.01   mthcl
0.05   Jack Needles
0.1   gimre
0.001   Intel
0.01   Hegemon
0.1   lyynx
0.1   voldemort628
0.01   Ezravdb
0.1   Noltev
0.01   fmiboy
0.1   bidjl29
0.1   abuelau
0.1   seek4dream
0.1   wesleyh
0.1   achimsmile
0.1   Sebastien256
0.01   rriky92
0.1   MyZhre
0.1   msin
0.1   Ludom
0.1   xadidos
1.0   EmoneyRu
0.1   w4llace
0.1   Mistafreeze
0.1   CryptKeeper
0.01   DrearyUrbanite
0.1   MarvellousMutant
0.1   NxtChoice
0.1   abctc
0.1   eXtatiC
0.1   sherpico77
0.1 or 0.01   opticalcarrier
0.01   ImmortAlex
0.1   EvilDave
0.1   Damelon
0.1 or 0.01   pandaisftw

Updated tally.  Tried to be thorough, but standard disclaimers apply...

Some want it the way it is:

In numbers: 1.0 Count me in on that.

There are several others.

[smartwart]

hi all,

will the fee been adjusted for all kind of transactions?
It would be possible to reduce the fee eg. for AM and AE for testing only.
Would a selected reduction be an option?

cheers!