Devcoin

[jasinlee]

Go make a new thread and complain there, this is the thread for devcoin, not "I am twobits and I am a genius you should all listen to me."

You have already made your dispute known, let the people that speak to each other like adults decide what to do with it.

[twobits]

Does it matter who posted it, I posted it on my github, and the wiki, he posted it on here. I was talking to him all day since I wanted to make sure it was correct, so he knew I was making it. I handed in a version that wasn't what he wanted so I actually had to go back and redo a lot of things. So there was a lot of time for the other person to take the bounty from me.

Yes it does matter.  Now you say you were talking to him all day about it.  However the code was posted only an hour and  twenty five minutes after the bounty amounts proposed.  Seems you just admitted you were working on this anyway ahead of the bounty in collaboration with the original poster of the proposal.
   

[twobits]

Go make a new thread and complain there, this is the thread for devcoin, not "I am twobits and I am a genius you should all listen to me."

You have already made your dispute known, let the people that speak to each other like adults decide what to do with it.

Yes, I did... and this was the thread it was proposed on and I replied in the place it was posted.  You are now childishly demanding that I put it in another thread where not as many will see the objection.

Also, you have me confused with gweedo, he is the only one who wrote  'I am genius'. I said no such thing as anything you just put in your silly little ad hominem attack.

I presume these people that speak to each other as adults that are deciding will of course not include you?

[pyra-proxy]

Does it matter who posted it, I posted it on my github, and the wiki, he posted it on here. I was talking to him all day since I wanted to make sure it was correct, so he knew I was making it. I handed in a version that wasn't what he wanted so I actually had to go back and redo a lot of things. So there was a lot of time for the other person to take the bounty from me.

Yes it does matter.  Now you say you were talking to him all day about it.  However the code was posted only an hour and  twenty five minutes after the bounty amounts proposed.  Seems you just admitted you were working on this anyway ahead of the bounty in collaboration with the original poster of the proposal.
   

I'm not sure it matters there have been several instances where an already started project applied for and received shares.  I don't think this share system was designed to only spur development in untouched areas but to also reward pioneers for the work they are already doing, and then there are groups that do things without requesting bounty solely for the good of the community for reasons of their choosing.  This seems like a good project to reward IMHO...

[emfox]

http://btcticker.appspot.com/

I request a bounty for a clone of this application for devcoin. Stipulations would include open source being posted to devtome.com.

I suggest a 6 then 3 bounty.

Then additional shares can be given for each additional exchange that is added (one time).

I suggest 2 then 1 for the next two exchanges.

Additionally, I would like to see all of the coin options added to this site in time if possible (they should pull the same API information for each site) but since this would require a bit more work, it should also have another additional set of shares assigned for this function.

I suggest 2 then 1 for all other coin options.

But, at least devcoin should be present to receive any part of the bounty. I also suggest a recurring share for the hosting of the site if it is outside of the google apps hosting. This will help to facilitate further sales threads and sites built around devcoin for payments, or other alt currencies.

I suggest the typical hosting maintenance of 1/5 of a share ongoing, for the first two sites.

Any objections, or should anything be changed?

I agree this bounty, but object the number of share. such work should be worth 2 or 3 shares. I suggest a  3 then 2 shares, and 2/5 share for the next two exchanges, and  2/5 shares for all other coin options. 1/5  share for long term maintainance is ok.

[twobits]

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I am going by https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=34586.msg1961764#msg1961764 as when it became active as a potential bounty.

[FinShaggy]

If you want to sell websites, designs, or real items in exchange for Devcoins, POST IT HERE!!
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=189471.new#new

[Unthinkingbit]

I agree this bounty, but object the number of share. such work should be worth 2 or 3 shares. I suggest a  3 then 2 shares, and 2/5 share for the next two exchanges, and  2/5 shares for all other coin options. 1/5  share for long term maintainance is ok.

I agree with your objection. I was not careful when I wrote the share amounts, and I was wrong, they were too high.

This is my estimate for how much a bounty should be for. In general I think a share should be for ten hours work. With bounties there is a chance the project won't succeed, or that someone else will claim it first. Assuming a one in two chance that the project would will not succeed, that brings it to two shares for ten hours of work. A chance that someone else will claim the bounty and so the developer has say a 45% chance of getting first prize, a 45% chance of getting the second half prize, and a 10% chance of getting nothing, that means the expected return is 0.45 + 0.45 * 0.5 = 0.675, this would bring it to 2.97 shares for ten hours work.

Are there any suggestions on how much a bounty should be for a given amount of work?

[jasinlee]

I agree with your objection. I was not careful when I wrote the share amounts, and I was wrong, they were too high.

Am I getting a the bounty that was first posted or is it changing?

It will change, but dont stress it, I will donate the remainder since you were not aware there would have been an issue with it.

[twobits]

I agree with your objection. I was not careful when I wrote the share amounts, and I was wrong, they were too high.

Am I getting a the bounty that was first posted or is it changing?

It will change, but dont stress it, I will donate the remainder since you were not aware there would have been an issue with it.

Naw it is fine. But maybe better guidelines needs to be posted so before someone starts a bounty on a bored day, I know how to alert the powers at be

The bounty was not past it's time for being past being a proposed bounty, rather then a bounty.... pick one of the committed bounties if you want to be sure to get it I would say.

[FinShaggy]

Devcoin value is going up

[emfox]

Devcoin value is going up

Would you please not flood this thread with little useless posts?

[twobits]

Does it matter who posted it, I posted it on my github, and the wiki, he posted it on here. I was talking to him all day since I wanted to make sure it was correct, so he knew I was making it. I handed in a version that wasn't what he wanted so I actually had to go back and redo a lot of things. So there was a lot of time for the other person to take the bounty from me.

Yes it does matter.  Now you say you were talking to him all day about it.  However the code was posted only an hour and  twenty five minutes after the bounty amounts proposed.  Seems you just admitted you were working on this anyway ahead of the bounty in collaboration with the original poster of the proposal.
   

I'm not sure it matters there have been several instances where an already started project applied for and received shares.  I don't think this share system was designed to only spur development in untouched areas but to also reward pioneers for the work they are already doing, and then there are groups that do things without requesting bounty solely for the good of the community for reasons of their choosing.  This seems like a good project to reward IMHO...

Above I was saying that it matter for propriety in regards to who posted the claim.

I actually was originally trying to figure out more what you are talking about, then jasinlee's  reply of bringing in my post count of all things, raised my alarm levels all the more that it is not proper for someone who proposes a bounty to be the one who claims it so quickly thereafter.   Had the reply been more like this the tone would have changed quickly.

I do remember that many ongoing projects got put into the rewards for projects already active, so you seem to be right, however something about small bounties being claimed so quickly by the by the original proposer just does not seem right.

I would like to quote two things from http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin

The primary concern is that in the long term, most organizations become corrupt, regardless of the intentions of the founders.

To further reduce corruption, all meetings and votes will be public, because sunshine is the best disinfectant.

jasinlee's posting of a bounty he then himself appears to have claimed does not seem proper, especially given the time frames.

He then tries to defend it with mention of backdoor talks and tells me to make a new thread and let other people talk about it, through backdoor means.  Even if it was all done ethically it has the appearance of impropriety.  The follow up post just reenforced that.

[jasinlee]

I dont think I mentioned it earlier. I would suggest an additional bounty for the coin ticker for each additional language in which it is written and source is posted to devtome.com. This should help people out that are trying to develop stores for other platforms.

Anyone have suggestions for other applications or devices to make it simple to accept dvc for payment. Is anyone already working on a devcoin version of the shopping carts that bitcoin released a while back?

Additionally, captchad on bbq coin thread is planning to write a whitepaper on the bbq development and document the process if I understood him correctly. Fuzzybear can probably confirm when he gets the PM for verification of his account. Could we allocate a special bounty for his whitepaper in addition to his per word count. This is the type of coin development documentation that is often missing from the gits and other wikis.

[termhn]

Second daily reward script run. Results posted at:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=daily_script_results

That page will be updated each time the script is run.

[pyra-proxy]

I dont think I mentioned it earlier. I would suggest an additional bounty for the coin ticker for each additional language in which it is written and source is posted to devtome.com. This should help people out that are trying to develop stores for other platforms.

Anyone have suggestions for other applications or devices to make it simple to accept dvc for payment. Is anyone already working on a devcoin version of the shopping carts that bitcoin released a while back?

Additionally, captchad on bbq coin thread is planning to write a whitepaper on the bbq development and document the process if I understood him correctly. Fuzzybear can probably confirm when he gets the PM for verification of his account. Could we allocate a special bounty for his whitepaper in addition to his per word count. This is the type of coin development documentation that is often missing from the gits and other wikis.

Someone in the recent asicminer auction thread suggested a FOSS auction solution for hosting web based auctions, it looked good on the surface.  Perhaps a DVC plugin would help DVC based merchants in that style of commerce?

[markm]

I don't recall the exact details but I think when a bounty is proposed there is some number of days before which it goes into effect if not objected to.

So it seems reasonable that in a case such as this a few hours after the bounty was suggested someone would have objected "but that application already exists, someone just wrote it and put it online today, do we need a bounty to have more made, especially if more simply use that same open source code to make more sites using it for redundancy?"

On the other hand though such a situation (someone just went ahead and wrote something we would otherwise have needed/wanted to create a bounty for to get someone to write such a thing) seems like a potential case of aha what we have here is someone who already just goes ahead and writes free open source stuff that is useful, isn't that the kind of person who should be on the receivers list?

About that ten hours thing, is the receivers list thing ten hours a month not ten hours a week? Presumably since it is suggested one share vaguely corresponds to ten hours work?

I had written just recently somewhere that it is ten hours a week to be on the receivers list, if that is incorrect I hope it didn't discourage anyone who only does ten hours a month from applying to be on the list.

-MarkM-

[Unthinkingbit]

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On the other hand though such a situation (someone just went ahead and wrote something we would otherwise have needed/wanted to create a bounty for to get someone to write such a thing) seems like a potential case of aha what we have here is someone who already just goes ahead and writes free open source stuff that is useful, isn't that the kind of person who should be on the receivers list?

Yes it is, and Gweedo is already on for being the devtome developer:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bitcoinshare.html

About that ten hours thing, is the receivers list thing ten hours a month not ten hours a week? Presumably since it is suggested one share vaguely corresponds to ten hours work?

I had written just recently somewhere that it is ten hours a week to be on the receivers list, if that is incorrect I hope it didn't discourage anyone who only does ten hours a month from applying to be on the list.

It does take roughly 10 hours/week, 40 hours/month to get on the receivers list for sure, although some are scraping by with less work than that, and get one share:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#developer

for people who are not working on devcoin related stuff. For people who are working on devcoin related stuff, it takes about 10 hours/month. The pay is higher for devcoin developers because their development helps devcoin. We can't afford to pay as much money for other projects because there is no direct return. Even the smaller amount we give for other projects is still more than the most of them get from all other sources combined.

[Unthinkingbit]

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Additionally, captchad on bbq coin thread is planning to write a whitepaper on the bbq development and document the process if I understood him correctly. Fuzzybear can probably confirm when he gets the PM for verification of his account. Could we allocate a special bounty for his whitepaper in addition to his per word count. This is the type of coin development documentation that is often missing from the gits and other wikis.

He would get word earnings, the signing bonus, the option of getting marketing coins, and once implemented, advertising revenue:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing

That's plenty of devcoins, so it's not necessary to give extra bounties on top of article devcoins. I would look through his paper to see if there's anything I could link to from a devcoin page, so he would eventually get more page views and therefore advertising revenue. Bounties are only meant to pay for development that doesn't earn coins in another way.

[Unthinkingbit]

There's been more interest in making a devcoin portal page. The current devcoin page is intimidating, however, it is getting page traffic to devtome, which is the most important thing.

Is there some way of making a portal page on the wiki itself, so devtome would keep getting the page views?