[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Pages and pages of Monero bagholders arguing about a coin they consider an scam. Tireless efforts of our resident Monero trolls repeating the same every day and sock puppets with very lame names just increasing the size of this thread trying to make it unreadable. They are not going to win.

The situation here is something any rational investor can think about. They are here because they are scared.

Fuck the trolls, Evan & team are doing a great job.

If you think Wolf0 is a troll.. then you've had tunnel vision for a long long time. Wolf0 writes ridiculously optimized miners for any algorithms or POWs even if they are 0day faster than anyone. The fact you think he is a troll is a display of awful groupthink and a shame. If anyone knows code and crypto its him, and you should listen to yer elders.

[bigrcanada]

Yaaaaaawwwwnnnn! 

[Naseza]

Is this coin absolutely and fully anonymous ? which one is best ? Monero or Dash ? what are the advantages and disadvantages of each one ?

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Yaaaaaawwwwnnnn! 

Hey Bigr, been a long time. How's the gauche restaurant attached to the "fine" wine vineyard grown from ... Canadian ... grapes ... treatin ya? Sounds like a real winner. Follow this guy and get rich. Ever heard of horizontal latitude?

@Naseza no this coin is far from anonymous. No coins are fool proof, but this one no bueno.

[Solarminer]

I think Dash would be just fine if the lead dev ever decided to hand this project over to others, as his accomplishments would not be lost. I do not think that, by investing in Dash, you are investing in one man  (rather, you are investing in one man's VISION, just like Bitcoin), but even if you were (investing in one man, that is), the lead dev of this project has shown a consistent ability to deliver and implement innovative concepts in the cryptocurrency-space. This is a very hard thing to do btw. In fact, ALL he has done is deliver, deliver, deliver...(repeat to fade). For that reason alone, it most be worth putting a few shekels on Evan, right?

Since Vertoe left, we have implemented a budget system.  This is really the key to keep a project like this going.  It can now be expanded to pay for development and any activities deemed the most beneficial from the masternode voters.  I agree Evan is doing a fantastic job and am putting my duffs on Dash.

[toknormal]

this coin is far from anonymous

Shame you can't demonstrate that by de-anonymising a darksent address.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

this coin is far from anonymous

Shame you can't demonstrate that by de-anonymising a darksent address.

Why let facts get in the way of good propaganda? It's a classic case of "If I say it enough times, people may start to believe it."

[BagHolder010]

Pages and pages of Monero bagholders arguing about a coin they consider an scam. Tireless efforts of our resident Monero trolls repeating the same every day and sock puppets with very lame names just increasing the size of this thread trying to make it unreadable. They are not going to win.

The situation here is something any rational investor can think about. They are here because they are scared.

Fuck the trolls, Evan & team are doing a great job.

If you think Wolf0 is a troll.. then you've had tunnel vision for a long long time. Wolf0 writes ridiculously optimized miners for any algorithms or POWs even if they are 0day faster than anyone. The fact you think he is a troll is a display of awful groupthink and a shame. If anyone knows code and crypto its him, and you should listen to yer elders.

No he is just saying that he got the Monero developer disease which is coming here crying out loud about Evan because they can compete after copying Bytecoin....oooooooo sh!t I said it lol. CRY"P"TO here in to forums developers

P.S Are you still jealous of that 14.5k DASH I got from Mintpal? lol that made me lol when u wrote it and then delete ur post.

[cryptonewb]

What is your opinion about Trolleros, posting here all day long?
This don't show you some kind of weakness of their part?
That we don't care about them but they always speak about us?

Some of them have some valid points.

But I don't really let me influence by them. I try to look at the tech. That is the most important thing.

[cryptonewb]

Um, masternodes will always do the mixing.  Only now they will do it in quorums.

this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."

So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit  

I don't remember this.  I'm just working it out with what we're given.  Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution.  No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds.  Seems logical to me.

Maybe there is another way?

I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero.  I don't like something I can't check on.  

I did study monero a bit and I don't see an issue with the 'obscure blockchain'...
The ring signatures are based on tested crypto, this ensures that all outputs are valid and the network has a mechanism that is double spend proof.

The mixing on masternodes is a weak point in my opinion. It is just bad for anonymity.

Currently I own 200 DASH and 1000 XMR.
Still not sure what to do:

*DASH has better market cap and support, but I don't really like the mixing system.
Also additional features I think are interesting like instantX I like, although I would like to see some external crypto-expert checking if it's safe and can scale.
*XMR has better mixing tech, but I have no clue why the community and market cap seems so small.
I also like the stealth addresses... You only need one account. It's better than a HD wallet because change transactions can't be linked.

My initial plan to buy a masternode is postponed until I see some external validation of DASH tech and the details of Evolution.
If DASH would go sub 0.005 BTC, I'll probably double down on my current position.
This will also happen for XMR if it drops below 0.001 BTC.

I'll probably bet on both for now. If one or the other clearly becomes the leading anonymous currency, I'll sell the one and buy the other.

For me, if I can't figure out where a transaction is, if it's been duplicated, if it's really working.  If there is no way to double check it - especially a way I can understand, it's not for me.  I don't like the complexity.  I seriously don't trust it, and I don't know if someone holds the key to the encryption either.  You have to completely trust the person who set the ball in motion.  And frankly, that person turned out to be a scammer.  Or perhaps they were a government spy network?  How can anyone trust it?  Why do you have to trust such a centralized point of failure?

It's not for me.

There is no "key to encryption", you are confusing monero with zerocash.

[cryptonewb]

Is this coin absolutely and fully anonymous ? which one is best ? Monero or Dash ? what are the advantages and disadvantages of each one ?

As far as I can tell, DASH has less anonymity than Monero because DASH mixes in masternodes.
As long as the mixing isn't decentralized at protocol level (as promised), this will be the case.

On the other hand, DASH offers way more than only anonymity and has at the moment a better exposure. 

So I decided to invest in both and watch it play out for the moment.

[othe]

Um, masternodes will always do the mixing.  Only now they will do it in quorums.

this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."

So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit  

I don't remember this.  I'm just working it out with what we're given.  Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution.  No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds.  Seems logical to me.

Maybe there is another way?

I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero.  I don't like something I can't check on.  

I did study monero a bit and I don't see an issue with the 'obscure blockchain'...
The ring signatures are based on tested crypto, this ensures that all outputs are valid and the network has a mechanism that is double spend proof.

The mixing on masternodes is a weak point in my opinion. It is just bad for anonymity.

Currently I own 200 DASH and 1000 XMR.
Still not sure what to do:

*DASH has better market cap and support, but I don't really like the mixing system.
Also additional features I think are interesting like instantX I like, although I would like to see some external crypto-expert checking if it's safe and can scale.
*XMR has better mixing tech, but I have no clue why the community and market cap seems so small.
I also like the stealth addresses... You only need one account. It's better than a HD wallet because change transactions can't be linked.

My initial plan to buy a masternode is postponed until I see some external validation of DASH tech and the details of Evolution.
If DASH would go sub 0.005 BTC, I'll probably double down on my current position.
This will also happen for XMR if it drops below 0.001 BTC.

I'll probably bet on both for now. If one or the other clearly becomes the leading anonymous currency, I'll sell the one and buy the other.

For me, if I can't figure out where a transaction is, if it's been duplicated, if it's really working.  If there is no way to double check it - especially a way I can understand, it's not for me.  I don't like the complexity.  I seriously don't trust it, and I don't know if someone holds the key to the encryption either.  You have to completely trust the person who set the ball in motion.  And frankly, that person turned out to be a scammer.  Or perhaps they were a government spy network?  How can anyone trust it?  Why do you have to trust such a centralized point of failure?

It's not for me.

There is no "key to encryption", you are confusing monero with zerocash.

That guy has clearly no idea how Monero works, or Bitcoin in general:
1) there is no "masterkey" for cryptonote, every user generates his own keys, exactly like bitcoin
2) There is a way to doublecheck, everything is on the blockchain, there is no way to create coins out of thin air etc. without directly seeing it!
3) You don´t like the complexity? It´s all known math, just cleverly combined, you don´t have to trust anyone but maybe you trust gmaxwell aka nullc when he says stuff like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455
4) As already said, no one set the ball in motion, there is no key for everything like it is in Zerocoin.
5) Government spy network? CN uses Curve25519 from DJB, you can´t get more away from the NSA than DJB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
6) You don´t trust persons, you trust the math which has been reviewed multiple times included by bitcoin core devs, if you can´t turst a bitcoin core dev you should leave the cryptocurrency space i guess.
7) There is no centralized point of failure, unlike in DASH.

[fernando]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

[othe]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

Thats a port of the breadwallet: https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet
You should be more clear about this.

Credit goes to QuantumExplorer , who’s done a superb job developing this wallet.

You should give credit to Aaron Voisine too! And also include his license file more visually: https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet/blob/master/LICENSE

[tungfa]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

Thats a port of the breadwallet: https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet
You should be more clear about this.

Credit goes to QuantumExplorer , who’s done a superb job developing this wallet.

You should give credit to Aaron Voisine too! And also include his license file more visually: https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet/blob/master/LICENSE

Relax big guy

https://www.dashpay.io/news/iphone-dashwallet-release/
it is all in there

[dnaleor]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

Does it support DarkSend and/or instantX ?

[toknormal]

I have no clue why the (Monero) community and market cap seems so small.

Because it's a hand waving trainspotting exercise and not an adoption-oriented technology one. Try using it. (see 3 posts before this one for what a project that IS adoption oriented looks like).

By the way. A favourite 'straw man' in use by XMR bloat-holders is that the criticisms of obscure blockchains revolve around the ability to 'mess' with the coin supply.

They are not.

The first problem with obscure blockchains is to do with engendering confidence and integrity of the entire monetary ecosystem. Crypto's are attempting to be 'unbacked money'. That's a tall order. So if there's no worldwide, transparent, societally endorsed consensus over blockchain movements then you have a recipe for disaster - a confidence bomb just waiting to implode. All it takes is one dodgy wallet and a lot of rumour, then nobody knows what the f*ck's going on on that blockchain and everybody dumps "just in case".

How do you think bitcoin survived all its various hammerings and media shitstorms over the Mt Gox debacle, the malleability scaremongering, and the rest ? Because throughought everything there were 10's of thousands of people every day scrutinising this type of publicly endorsed information, verifying their wallet balances from two or three sources, checking the progress of confirmations, squaring off balances between addresses and so on.

Say what you like about privacy, but if you don't have at least that level of verifiable transparency in an unbacked monetary system, you don't have squat.

The second problem with so called 'obscured blockchains' is that they conflict with traditional age-old distinction between cash and credit. These are two well understood, forms of exchange who's priorities and properties are almost mutually exlusive.

Cash is fungible, anonymous and public (i.e. it's out in the open' not managed behind closed doors by a trusted third party)
Credit is not fungible , not anonymous and therefore needs to be kept private (managed behind closed doors by a trusted third party)

Crypto is a peer-to-peer monetary medium. It therefore needs to adopt the cash model, not the credit one and so the anonymous, publicy accountable blockchain applies. In that context, confidence and value are maximised by supporting the levels of transparency that bitcoin has, and transaction privacy derives from the inability of observers to make much of a distinction between the coins at one address and those at another.

See here for more info. (And here).

[illodin]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

I don't use nor care about Apple's products, but judging from the swift reactions to attempt to denigrate the release I get the suspicion this might be a significant event. So congratulations, team!

[othe]

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

Thats a port of the breadwallet: https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet
You should be more clear about this.

Credit goes to QuantumExplorer , who’s done a superb job developing this wallet.

You should give credit to Aaron Voisine too! And also include his license file more visually: https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet/blob/master/LICENSE

Relax big guy

https://www.dashpay.io/news/iphone-dashwallet-release/
it is all in there

No there are no credits in the "press releases"
http://web.archive.org/web/20151120102010/https://www.dashpay.io/news/iphone-dashwallet-release/
Do you think we can´t read?

And it wasn´t in the forum either, fernando cleverly edited it in:

"fernando, Today at 3:55 AM"

iPhone DashWallet Release

https://dashtalk.org/threads/iphone-dashwallet-release.7123/

I don't use nor care about Apple's products, but judging from the swift reactions to attempt to denigrate the release I get the suspicion this might be a significant event. So congratulations, team!

Nah it´s rejected by Apple, they allow only Bitcoin. Vertcoin ios wallet was also rejected 2014, so was the Monero wallet (google accepted it tho).

[MasterMined710]

Is this coin absolutely and fully anonymous ? which one is best ? Monero or Dash ? what are the advantages and disadvantages of each one ?

As far as I can tell, DASH has less anonymity than Monero because DASH mixes in masternodes.

if nobody can deanonymize DASH what difference does it make? that's like entering a tank in a NASCAR race and thinking it's going to win because the tank is more resistant to crashes. the trade off is a non legacy compliant unscalable already bloated blockchain, the little extra anon (pre evolution) is not worth the huge trade off. plus the lack of any real anonymity has not hurt bitcoin's market-cap as of yet.

As long as the mixing isn't decentralized at protocol level (as promised), this will be the case.

by that strict interpretation aren't all cryptocoins centralized?
if dash was centralized one person could deanonymize dash or push a button and shut it down, that's not the case.

On the other hand, DASH offers way more than only anonymity and has at the moment a better exposure.  
So I decided to invest in both and watch it play out for the moment.

the market agrees. i expect monero to keep getting pushed down until a year from now it will be lucky to be in the top 20.
if a solid zerocash implementation is released then it's lights out for monero/cryptonote. just ask fluffypony, he'll tell you that and he is fully expecting it happen at some point.

monero just has too many issues and is way to risky for me to invest in. i just picked up two new masternodes and did not even consider monero, ethereum looks pretty interesting though so i may diversify a bit into that.