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The viewkey is only available to the sender. It's the receiver that wants the "proof".
No it's not. In a Monero transaction, the viewkey is only available to the sender, not the receiver. |
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"...I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism...", satoshi@vistomail.com |
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February 23, 2017, 04:23:01 PM |
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The viewkey is only available to the sender. It's the receiver that wants the "proof".
No it's not. In a Monero transaction, the viewkey is only available to the sender, not the receiver. There is a view key for every wallet for all transactions. https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkeyDon't quote me and change my post. And it's not Monero's fault that those AB users don't know how to use it. There are tons of MONERO blockchain explorers so either that guys an idiot or a lier either way he's not worth my time. Probably a dashfag trying to fud XMR on AB. |
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February 23, 2017, 04:29:10 PM |
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Just some important info for newcomers. Read, ask, think for yourself and just ignore the desperate trolls  Low value troll spam flooding attack in full swing as Dash threatens insecure one trick pony coin. Edit: LOL |
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February 23, 2017, 04:38:46 PM |
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i'm thinking a week before we climb another rank on coinmarketcap, maybe even less.
Do you know how many dash are mined per day? how many Moanero? Dash = 2246 Monero = 6213 * * doesn't include any secret coins, that no one knows about, because the block explorer doesn't show the output values...  That's the point Despite the price per coin, the inflation rate is way higher. And altcoins mkt are not very prone to inlfation rate. There are 2x Moanero than dash - 85% or something close of the total value will be mined by this year (and it's still better than the 50% in the 1st year or so). Something quite common in ponzi schemes. It's funny given the instamine meme they have - 10% mined in 2 days, indeed, for a mistake in the algo (and some % since then) VS 80% mined on PURPOSE in 20 moths... and nothing then High inflation, combined with a blockchain that can't be inspected or verified, failure to integrate with other systems. bubble popped. Not looking good for Monero. Dash just getting started What I have just read. I guess I made a mistake come read this  Here is how much Monero was mined till when. You can clearly see that on any explorer. Also Monero is open source proyect any anyone can see the code. And every transaction gets verified by any node. If it dont comply with the protocol will not be confirmed. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit#gid=239466694 I do know few years ago I could not found this about DASH from obvious reasons, for me totally unimportant so will not talk about them here. In 2 days was mined 50000 XMR. That is 0.35% of as it is now and not 10%. In general Monero emission is high so coins are cheap and everyone can get them since Monero is an experiment. It is here for everyone to play with it and use it. It was not made for few people to get rich as some other coins. If emission would be lower then price would be way higher what is sort of bad. I know some of you on this forum dont understand this logic since Crypto is for you just a way to get profit. PS: I know I know. Waste of words |
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February 23, 2017, 04:39:55 PM |
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And it's not Monero's fault that those AB users don't know how to use it....that guys an idiot or a lier either way he's not worth my time. Are you serious ? This has nothing to do with 'faulty users'. By any satisfactory auditory definition, a transaction is successful when one address balance has been depleted and another credited. (I realise there are other ‘geeky’ definitions that involve transaction IDs but thats not what matters to users and it's not what would matter to any self respecting professional auditor who had to endorse the value of an address balance as a whole rather than a collection of 'discretely verified TX ID's'). In the abscence of a trusted 3rd party arbitor, you therefore need to see the movements at both address balances. The sending and receiving. Furthermore, the parties that need to see it are: 1. The sending participating party (to verify they’re liability is cancelled) 2. The receiving participating party (for obvious reasons) 3. Non-participating keyholders (because they are exposed to the value of the blockchain based asset and have an interest in the public confidence of the blockchain integrity) 4. Non-participating, non-keyholders (because they are expected to supply goods, services and other currencies in support of your blockchain asset's exchange rate). You would not want to eat a piece of fruit out of a bowl of rotten apples, even if one of them looked ok. In Bitcoin (and Dash for that matter), everyone sees the whole fruitbowl and everyone has access to the same information without condition or recourse to a third party. The reason Bitcoin’s blockchain is anonymous but transparent is because there IS no 3rd party arbitor to resolve disputes. Blockchain transparency therefore makes the asset resistant to confidence attacks through rumour, dispute, aspersion and theft. It also gives transacting parties huge protection by supporting the interests of veracity in anecdotal accounts of failed transfers, whether they be due to mis-addressed funds, lack of confirmations, deception, hacks or otherwise. The problem with the Cryptonote approach (who’s original conception was intended to support trusted party backed ‘credit money’ anyway b.t.w.) is that the participating parties are *on their own* mate. Nobody can see a thing and they’re each dependent on the other’s co-operation for verifying the transaction. If Poloniex say my deposit ‘went through’ and no funds turn up and don’t supply me a TXID or viewkey I’m stuffed. Nor do I have recourse to “the rest of the world”. Take a look at the last 6 years of Bitcoin forums. They’re littered with discussions about addresses, transactions where something went, where it didn’t go. Thats what gives a blockchain confidence and confidence is what supports its value. If all you have is one end of the transaction or a poxy TXID that you have to beg for, then you’ve a recipe for catastrophe. A while back I said that encryption was the "cancer of cryptocurrency". I didn’t mean that from the point of view of technical failure, I meant it from the perspective that ANY kind of obfuscation in an unbacked asset is corrosive to confidence and it’s only a matter of time before all it’s good for is a temporary payment rail thats valueless. The reason these coins have no future isn’t because they don’t have good tech. It’s because ‘encrypting stuff’ is dirt cheap these days and doesn’t add any value. (Sticking a gold bar or a diamond in a safe might cost you a small premium, but the price of the safe, not the price of the gold). On the contrary, when it comes to cryptocurrency, “encrypting stuff” positively detracts form its potential value because we’re talking about a bearer token which draws its worth from authenticity, not obscurity. How much evidence of that do you need ? If not the above posts (which will be the tip of the Iceberg if people start using it in earnest), try this: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=421615.msg17896089#msg17896089 |
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February 23, 2017, 04:51:00 PM |
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Monero is an experiment
and should not be bought... We heard Fluffy but thanks anyway |
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February 23, 2017, 04:57:58 PM |
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Monero is an experiment
and should not be bought... We heard Fluffy but thanks anyway No no no. It should be or bought or mined. You cant get it any other way. But emission schedule is set so it is cheap to mine or buy. With time it will get more scarce and price will go up. But now Monero is not even 3 years old. So must be still cheap!!!Well other option is that someone gave you coins for free. But who would do that and why? They or bought them or mined at $1-10$ price. It is not like in some cases where some mined in one day 2,000.000 coins and latter in 3 years stacked another 4,000.000 coins with those initial 2 milions. It cost them only one day of electricity to have now 6,000.000. Those people can easily give their coins to you for free. They got them free themselves. |
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February 23, 2017, 05:14:10 PM |
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I'm sure he can, he just hasn't found a way to yet  Anyways, happy $24 people, I saw that at one point this morning Also, don't forget there is a new version up, a minor improvement, but still a good idea to upgrade for better stability, some of which effects the dashd wallet. So happy to be back, I had to clone all my failing drives, LOL. Keeping the home network running on a zero budget sucks! |
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February 23, 2017, 05:15:27 PM |
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Such FUD and nonsense, quite dumb actually
So you are the new payed soldier right? Very concerned about things and such, with great knowledge about many coins... typical! Now go and spread the word to some other place, bye  |
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February 23, 2017, 05:30:53 PM |
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i'm thinking a week before we climb another rank on coinmarketcap, maybe even less.
Do you know how many dash are mined per day? how many Moanero? Dash = 2246 Monero = 6213 * * doesn't include any secret coins, that no one knows about, because the block explorer doesn't show the output values... That's the point Despite the price per coin, the inflation rate is way higher. And altcoins mkt are not very prone to inlfation rate. There are 2x Moanero than dash - 85% or something close of the total value will be mined by this year (and it's still better than the 50% in the 1st year or so). Something quite common in ponzi schemes. It's funny given the instamine meme they have - 10% mined in 2 days, indeed, for a mistake in the algo (and some % since then) VS 80% mined on PURPOSE in 20 moths... and nothing then High inflation, combined with a blockchain that can't be inspected or verified, failure to integrate with other systems. bubble popped. Not looking good for Monero. Dash just getting started What I have just read. I guess I made a mistake come read this Here is how much Monero was mined till when. You can clearly see that on any explorer. Also Monero is open source proyect any anyone can see the code. And every transaction gets verified by any node. If it dont comply with the protocol will not be confirmed. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit#gid=239466694 I do know few years ago I could not found this about DASH from obvious reasons, for me totally unimportant so will not talk about them here. In 2 days was mined 50000 XMR. That is 0.35% of as it is now and not 10%. In general Monero emission is high so coins are cheap and everyone can get them since Monero is an experiment. It is here for everyone to play with it and use it. It was not made for few people to get rich as some other coins. If emission would be lower then price would be way higher what is sort of bad. I know some of you on this forum dont understand this logic since Crypto is for you just a way to get profit. PS: I know I know. Waste of words Still please tell me someone why monero have 14 000 077 coins and DASH only 7 119 101 coins? But xmr was launched 4-6 month after DASH? |
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February 23, 2017, 05:50:22 PM |
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i'm thinking a week before we climb another rank on coinmarketcap, maybe even less.
Do you know how many dash are mined per day? how many Moanero? Dash = 2246 Monero = 6213 * * doesn't include any secret coins, that no one knows about, because the block explorer doesn't show the output values... That's the point Despite the price per coin, the inflation rate is way higher. And altcoins mkt are not very prone to inlfation rate. There are 2x Moanero than dash - 85% or something close of the total value will be mined by this year (and it's still better than the 50% in the 1st year or so). Something quite common in ponzi schemes. It's funny given the instamine meme they have - 10% mined in 2 days, indeed, for a mistake in the algo (and some % since then) VS 80% mined on PURPOSE in 20 moths... and nothing then High inflation, combined with a blockchain that can't be inspected or verified, failure to integrate with other systems. bubble popped. Not looking good for Monero. Dash just getting started What I have just read. I guess I made a mistake come read this Here is how much Monero was mined till when. You can clearly see that on any explorer. Also Monero is open source proyect any anyone can see the code. And every transaction gets verified by any node. If it dont comply with the protocol will not be confirmed. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit#gid=239466694 I do know few years ago I could not found this about DASH from obvious reasons, for me totally unimportant so will not talk about them here. In 2 days was mined 50000 XMR. That is 0.35% of as it is now and not 10%. In general Monero emission is high so coins are cheap and everyone can get them since Monero is an experiment. It is here for everyone to play with it and use it. It was not made for few people to get rich as some other coins. If emission would be lower then price would be way higher what is sort of bad. I know some of you on this forum dont understand this logic since Crypto is for you just a way to get profit. PS: I know I know. Waste of words Still please tell me someone why monero have 14 000 077 coins and DASH only 7 119 101 coins? But xmr was launched 4-6 month after DASH? "Dash", formerly Darkcoin, and originally known as "Xcoin" was instamined almost instantly after launch with a instamining of over 2million coins(So I'd put that figure somewhere around 5million DASH), but besides that, Monero has a higher emission rate than Dash, which means more coins get into more users hands, diversifying the amount and type of people that hold Monero. |
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February 23, 2017, 06:06:00 PM |
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i'm thinking a week before we climb another rank on coinmarketcap, maybe even less.
Do you know how many dash are mined per day? how many Moanero? Dash = 2246 Monero = 6213 * * doesn't include any secret coins, that no one knows about, because the block explorer doesn't show the output values... That's the point Despite the price per coin, the inflation rate is way higher. And altcoins mkt are not very prone to inlfation rate. There are 2x Moanero than dash - 85% or something close of the total value will be mined by this year (and it's still better than the 50% in the 1st year or so). Something quite common in ponzi schemes. It's funny given the instamine meme they have - 10% mined in 2 days, indeed, for a mistake in the algo (and some % since then) VS 80% mined on PURPOSE in 20 moths... and nothing then High inflation, combined with a blockchain that can't be inspected or verified, failure to integrate with other systems. bubble popped. Not looking good for Monero. Dash just getting started What I have just read. I guess I made a mistake come read this Here is how much Monero was mined till when. You can clearly see that on any explorer. Also Monero is open source proyect any anyone can see the code. And every transaction gets verified by any node. If it dont comply with the protocol will not be confirmed. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit#gid=239466694 I do know few years ago I could not found this about DASH from obvious reasons, for me totally unimportant so will not talk about them here. In 2 days was mined 50000 XMR. That is 0.35% of as it is now and not 10%. In general Monero emission is high so coins are cheap and everyone can get them since Monero is an experiment. It is here for everyone to play with it and use it. It was not made for few people to get rich as some other coins. If emission would be lower then price would be way higher what is sort of bad. I know some of you on this forum dont understand this logic since Crypto is for you just a way to get profit. PS: I know I know. Waste of words Still please tell me someone why monero have 14 000 077 coins and DASH only 7 119 101 coins? But xmr was launched 4-6 month after DASH? Because that is how it is written in protocol. This many coins every day. You have full spreadsheet for Monero and also for BTC in my link, for past and for future so you can see. Every coin have different schedule. Why is that way? As I said, because Crypto coins need to be at normal price from first day. Not super cheap and not expensive. It was perfectly projected in Monero case. @BrainShutdown Not sure what you are talking about. I clearly posted why I made post here. Since posts I quoted have nothing to do with reality. In this thread are many people that know that but did not bother to quote them and tell those 2-3 guys wrong. Why is that I have no ideas. I do have knowledge of few coins. But is hard to know much since we only have 24h a day and Crypto space expand with lightning speed. Most I know of DASH is from people that shill on this forum. I dont know much actually. But what I wrote about I do. If you have any questions of some coins I know more anything feel free to PM me or ask in some other thread. |
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February 23, 2017, 06:40:27 PM |
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Guys, there is IGNORE. These guys are advertising other coin, they need your responses just to look like they are talking about DASH. Which also they mention in every post.
THAT is forum rules abused.
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February 23, 2017, 07:35:48 PM |
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Learn from the past, set detailed and vivid goals for the future and live in the only moment of time over which you have any control : now
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February 23, 2017, 07:47:01 PM |
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Tick tock... Tick tock... I can see DASH going to #3 marketcap, but I think moving to 5th and replacing "that coin" would be the sweetest move of all.  3 Ripple $219,801,328 $0.005918 4 Litecoin $190,855,266 $3.82 5 Monero $177,803,049 $12.70 6 Dash $172,641,084 $24.25 |
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February 23, 2017, 08:00:52 PM |
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Tick tock... Tick tock... I can see DASH going to #3 marketcap, but I think moving to 5th and replacing "that coin" would be the sweetest move of all. 3 Ripple $219,801,328 $0.005918 4 Litecoin $190,855,266 $3.82 5 Monero $177,803,049 $12.70 6 Dash $172,641,084 $24.25 Clock continues ticking --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJWiQP-VlYEdit : oh oh, its accelerating --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOvIEVQW6yc Edit : oh oh, its.. uhm .. holding a concert ?  --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNunc0UN2Jo |
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February 23, 2017, 08:17:50 PM |
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almost there lol
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