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[thefrog]

What you are basically talking is a Proof of Stake, leaving wallets online and offer coins for mixing.
I thought that the point of having MNs with 1000 DRK 'locked' was mixing and anonymizing.
And that is what they get payed for (20% and rising).

[thelonecrouton]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

[oblox]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

[roede94105]

What you are basically talking is a Proof of Stake, leaving wallets online and offer coins for mixing.
I thought that the point of having MNs with 1000 DRK 'locked' was mixing and anonymizing.
And that is what they get payed for (20% and rising).

why not some wallets from the foundation (or a donation fund or something?) that are ready 24/24 and get their costs of anonymizing paid by the people who want to do the process? This way it's not expensive and always ready. Don't know if it's doable though.

[thelonecrouton]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

Dark Friday (or whatever) would be a good start - and it also might get more people into the habit generally.

Or a couple of scripted wallets managed by The Foundation, constantly anonymising.

If dark markets start accepting DRK then problem solved, people will have more reason to use DS. I'm a bit disappointed that Anonymisation isn't on by default, I think that would have mostly solved the problem too.

[JGCMiner]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

Dark Friday (or whatever) would be a good start - and it also might get more people into the habit generally.

Or a couple of scripted wallets managed by The Foundation, constantly anonymising.

If dark markets start accepting DRK then problem solved, people will have more reason to use DS. I'm a bit disappointed that Anonymisation isn't on by default, I think that would have mostly solved the problem too.

Well it takes fees and most consider compulsory taking of fees as stealing. On by default would have been off-putting to most people. That said, we do need to do SOMETHING.  Basically a Darksend adoption bootstrapping phase of some sort is required.  At this rate we will never get adoption if the main feature of the coin requires you to wait 4 days to see it work.  

My suggestion is a "bounty" mixing fund that Evan (or the foundation) maintains and is filled ever so often by the community. That can then be split into several wallets and left mixing.

[TsuyokuNaritai]

I suggested a solution to this a while ago, which would cost little, make mixing fast to those that need it & free to those who don't, and be handled automatically by the wallets after the clicking of a checkbox...

How about an option so that, if someone urgently needs their coins denominated in a hurry, they could offer to pay the fee of the other parties?

This could then be broadcast, and some randomly chosen users that have another checkbox checked to help out in such cases could have their coins mixed with the first user for a round each at no cost to them.

This provides significant benefits:

• Instant mixing, if you're willing to pay a little extra.
• Free mixing, if you're willing to wait for people who need instant mixing.
• Even if you don't need mixing, you can help out the network at no cost to you.

Of course there needs to be some measure in place to prevent the same users being paired too often.

Thoughts?

[raze182]

Darkcoin has been criticized for its potential to become the favorite cryptocurrency of criminals, terrorists, and even child pornographers. Aren’t you afraid that the association of X-Children with Darkcoin might be a PR suicide for your humanitarian project? Why did you choose the Darkcoin framework instead of something else?

X-Children has nothing to do with Darkcoin besides technical similarities. Sorry, but this question is misleading because associating X-Children to Darkcoin is a serious conceptual and technical mistake, like comparing two cars with the same chassis but entirely different engines. We started with the Darkcoin framework but, for example, the CHILD reward scheme is derived from Fractal. If you download the X-Children wallet, you will see that we don’t use Darksend or similar.

We chose the Darkcoin framework because it’s a solid and reliable X-11 and one of the most mined cryptocoins. Darkcoin permits dramatic energy efficiency improvements compared to the same rigs running on Scrypt – with Darkcoin, the vast majority of GPU miners abandoned Scrypt before ASICs made it obsolete a few months later. X-Children is totally transparent due to the technology of the blockchain, which permits precisely tracing all information recorded in it. That is shown by the fact that the monetary value of this mathematical coin (Bitcoin) is much higher than the US dollar.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/berlusconi-love-cryptocurrency-save-children-gaza/

[spatula]

So I'm trying to understand the issue with the darksend. Is the problem basically that people aren't anonymizing the coins in their open wallets?  I am not doing that now, but I could be if it would help. I always have at least 1 wallet with less than 1k in it because it I don't have enough for another masternode yet, and I know i cant be alone in this.

Is there any downside for me leaving my wallet running with anonymization on?

[JGCMiner]

So I'm trying to understand the issue with the darksend. Is the problem basically that people aren't anonymizing the coins in their open wallets?  I am not doing that now, but I could be if it would help. I always have at least 1 wallet with less than 1k in it because it I don't have enough for another masternode yet, and I know i cant be alone in this.

Is there any downside for me leaving my wallet running with anonymization on?

Well... there is a small fee of 0.0125DRK per mixing round.  So the downside is that your balance will decrease even if it is only by very little.  It is up to you to decide if you value helping over the mixing cost. Also, your wallet must be unlocked at all times which posses somewhat of a greater risk compared to leaving your coins offline or even online but encrypted. 

[patrolman]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Which is why I suggested two types of Masternodes. The standard Masternode, which I'm sure most people would opt for, and the mixer Masternodes which would receive an extra reward for the added risk of leaving the wallet open.

When instant transactions become a reality it will be possible to close wallets after a much shorter period of time of anonymisation. If people don't have any incentive to leave their wallet unlocked and even a disincentive to be constantly anonymising funds (Darksend fees), why would anyone be doing it all the time?

The bot mixers you suggested I think potenitally has merit too if itcould be done it way that doesn't reveal the identity of the non-bot mixer. I suppose they would need to be crowdfunded too.

[Sapereaude]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

Dark Friday (or whatever) would be a good start - and it also might get more people into the habit generally.

Or a couple of scripted wallets managed by The Foundation, constantly anonymising.

If dark markets start accepting DRK then problem solved, people will have more reason to use DS. I'm a bit disappointed that Anonymisation isn't on by default, I think that would have mostly solved the problem too.

Well it takes fees and most consider compulsory taking of fees as stealing. On by default would have been off-putting to most people. That said, we do need to do SOMETHING.  Basically a Darksend adoption bootstrapping phase of some sort is required.  At this rate we will never get adoption if the main feature of the coin requires you to wait 4 days to see it work.  

My suggestion is a "bounty" mixing fund that Evan (or the foundation) maintains and is filled ever so often by the community. That can then be split into several wallets and left mixing.

Totally agree and that sounds like an interesting extra fix, I would throw in for that. I am using Darksend on the main-net for the first time and its very frustrating waiting so long to be paired up... wait didn't someone get an extra 14k Dark recently, could put that to good use. : p

[thelonecrouton]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

Dark Friday (or whatever) would be a good start - and it also might get more people into the habit generally.

Or a couple of scripted wallets managed by The Foundation, constantly anonymising.

If dark markets start accepting DRK then problem solved, people will have more reason to use DS. I'm a bit disappointed that Anonymisation isn't on by default, I think that would have mostly solved the problem too.

Well it takes fees and most consider compulsory taking of fees as stealing. On by default would have been off-putting to most people. That said, we do need to do SOMETHING.  Basically a Darksend adoption bootstrapping phase of some sort is required.  At this rate we will never get adoption if the main feature of the coin requires you to wait 4 days to see it work.  

My suggestion is a "bounty" mixing fund that Evan (or the foundation) maintains and is filled ever so often by the community. That can then be split into several wallets and left mixing.

Totally agree and that sounds like an interesting extra fix, I would throw in for that. I am using Darksend on the main-net for the first time and its very frustrating waiting so long to be paired up... wait didn't someone get an extra 14k Dark recently, could put that to good use. : p

He can't use a wallet.  

It would probably only cost a few DRK a month to have some Foundation mixing wallets going, we should ask The Founders what they think.

[patrolman]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

Dark Friday (or whatever) would be a good start - and it also might get more people into the habit generally.

Or a couple of scripted wallets managed by The Foundation, constantly anonymising.

If dark markets start accepting DRK then problem solved, people will have more reason to use DS. I'm a bit disappointed that Anonymisation isn't on by default, I think that would have mostly solved the problem too.

Well it takes fees and most consider compulsory taking of fees as stealing. On by default would have been off-putting to most people. That said, we do need to do SOMETHING.  Basically a Darksend adoption bootstrapping phase of some sort is required.  At this rate we will never get adoption if the main feature of the coin requires you to wait 4 days to see it work.  

My suggestion is a "bounty" mixing fund that Evan (or the foundation) maintains and is filled ever so often by the community. That can then be split into several wallets and left mixing.

Totally agree and that sounds like an interesting extra fix, I would throw in for that. I am using Darksend on the main-net for the first time and its very frustrating waiting so long to be paired up... wait didn't someone get an extra 14k Dark recently, could put that to good use. : p

He can't use a wallet.  

It would probably only cost a few DRK a month to have some Foundation mixing wallets going, we should ask The Founders what they think.

Depending on how it's implemented it sounds like it could be a little too centralised.

edit: Actally, I suppose you mean just a regular wallet funded by the foundation, mixing when needed. It could work.

[thelonecrouton]

edit: Actally, I suppose you mean just a regular wallet funded by the foundation, mixing when needed. It could work.

Cheap, simple, worth a shot... any mixing beats no mixing... and it might help encourage people to start using DS...

[splawik21]

Miningpoolhub is about to update!

edit.... My mistake...they have already done it

R u ready for enforcment guys???

Friendly Pool Reminders don't sleep

[Sapereaude]

Forget about touching the Masternode's 1000DRK. Not going to happen, ever. Not going to happen to mine, ever, that's for damn sure.

More people just need to click the big Anonymise button, that's all.

Then it seems like the idea of Darksend day is about the only real thing we could do as a community to bolster pairings, however, that doesn't solve lack of pairs on the remainder of the days.

Dark Friday (or whatever) would be a good start - and it also might get more people into the habit generally.

Or a couple of scripted wallets managed by The Foundation, constantly anonymising.

If dark markets start accepting DRK then problem solved, people will have more reason to use DS. I'm a bit disappointed that Anonymisation isn't on by default, I think that would have mostly solved the problem too.

Well it takes fees and most consider compulsory taking of fees as stealing. On by default would have been off-putting to most people. That said, we do need to do SOMETHING.  Basically a Darksend adoption bootstrapping phase of some sort is required.  At this rate we will never get adoption if the main feature of the coin requires you to wait 4 days to see it work.  

My suggestion is a "bounty" mixing fund that Evan (or the foundation) maintains and is filled ever so often by the community. That can then be split into several wallets and left mixing.

Totally agree and that sounds like an interesting extra fix, I would throw in for that. I am using Darksend on the main-net for the first time and its very frustrating waiting so long to be paired up... wait didn't someone get an extra 14k Dark recently, could put that to good use. : p

He can't use a wallet.  

It would probably only cost a few DRK a month to have some Foundation mixing wallets going, we should ask The Founders what they think.

Depending on how it's implemented it sounds like it could be a little too centralised.

edit: Actally, I suppose you mean just a regular wallet funded by the foundation, mixing when needed. It could work.

I am proposing we call it Mixing Mondays.

[BrainShutdown]

Miningpoolhub is about to update!

edit.... My mistake...they have already done it

R u ready for enforcment guys???

Friendly Pool Reminders don't sleep

I contacted xhash.net a coupple hours ago.

Waiting for response or found block confirmation.

And ready for enforcement 

[pille]

0.10.16 did I miss something?

[splawik21]

Miningpoolhub is about to update!

edit.... My mistake...they have already done it

R u ready for enforcment guys???

Friendly Pool Reminders don't sleep

I contacted xhash.net a coupple hours ago.

Waiting for response or found block confirmation.

And ready for enforcement 

Great Brian
I gave them an email shot yesterday