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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
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April 12, 2014, 03:15:09 PM |
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Did the airdrop even happen? How could one go about proving the coins were dropped successfully, and specifically in Iceland? Then, what keeps one man from finding the dropped stash then hoarding all the currency for himself?
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April 12, 2014, 04:01:44 PM |
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Did the airdrop even happen? How could one go about proving the coins were dropped successfully, and specifically in Iceland? Then, what keeps one man from finding the dropped stash then hoarding all the currency for himself?
Lol.. You've been living under a rock mate? Just look through this thread or the Auroracoin reddit section.. You'll find all your answers |
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April 13, 2014, 01:48:19 AM |
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Did the airdrop even happen? How could one go about proving the coins were dropped successfully, and specifically in Iceland? Then, what keeps one man from finding the dropped stash then hoarding all the currency for himself?
the addresses where the coins were stored was published they had a facebook and sms verified system and yes there was a small percentage of people who was able to use a proxy to claim coins without being a icelandic citizen but those numbers are low and limited to pre-existing facebook accounts... |
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April 13, 2014, 11:55:39 AM |
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how engaged are the chinese with aur? |
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April 13, 2014, 12:18:00 PM |
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how engaged are the chinese with aur? Ask your good buddy wolong. Its a bit scarry that you Panda gangsters are involved in aur now. |
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April 13, 2014, 12:34:03 PM |
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how engaged are the chinese with aur? Ask your good buddy wolong. Its a bit scarry that you Panda gangsters are involved in aur now. I was hoping someone with chromosomes could answer |
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April 13, 2014, 01:01:53 PM |
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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
I twill go even lower , most of the coins are outside iceland and there is no actual buying/selling happening there with aur. So , as a national coin it has failed. it will end just like the others , trading only |
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April 13, 2014, 01:14:06 PM |
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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
I twill go even lower , most of the coins are outside iceland and there is no actual buying/selling happening there with aur. So , as a national coin it has failed. it will end just like the others , trading only considering that only 9.5 percent of the airdrop is complete its hardly surprising that most of them are with outside investors who are looking at aur as either long-term or other reasons. How that reflects on the price is not really known so i'm not sure how you know. What is likely to happen is an increase in price over time as the airdrop gains momentum. There are a few reasons for this: say for example, you are an icelandic merchant, and you sell bouncy balls at $5 a piece in FIAT, and whatever that translates to in ISK, but now as a merchant you are selling for both ISK and AUR, because u are going to be selling the same product in aur, you are naturally going to mark it up because it is relatively new/unknown/not-trusted yet, etc, so you start selling the same $5 bouncy ball for $10 to people buying in AUR, because you don't know if you are going to lose out and its still quite alien to you. That $10 equivalent in AUR basically becomes absorbed, because its unlikely that people are going to use their airdropped coins (nationally, within iceland) for anything more than a novelty or 1 time purchase to begin with, which means that in effect, that AUR is wiped out.. meaning increased value for AUR over time as this AUR is sucked in to merchants who will be unable, for the most part, to give change to someone for their AUR purchase if they do not yet hold their personal airdropped AUR themselves, and if they do, it would be initially a hassle to give change until it becomes more streamlined. All in all, you are not basing your argument off anything other than your opinion and a quick look at some charts. Face the facts, if there was no 'actual buying or selling' of any coin then the price would remain static... so uhh what are you talking about? I've seen you on these forums for long enough to know that you literally thread hop and inject your negative and obsolete opinions. Anyway, please feel free to come back with a meaningful reply, I look forward to it. Warm Regards Sevordsbjorngen the Icelandic |
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April 13, 2014, 01:31:50 PM |
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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
I twill go even lower , most of the coins are outside iceland and there is no actual buying/selling happening there with aur. So , as a national coin it has failed. it will end just like the others , trading only considering that only 9.5 percent of the airdrop is complete its hardly surprising that most of them are with outside investors who are looking at aur as either long-term or other reasons. How that reflects on the price is not really known so i'm not sure how you know. What is likely to happen is an increase in price over time as the airdrop gains momentum. There are a few reasons for this: say for example, you are an icelandic merchant, and you sell bouncy balls at $5 a piece in FIAT, and whatever that translates to in ISK, but now as a merchant you are selling for both ISK and AUR, because u are going to be selling the same product in aur, you are naturally going to mark it up because it is relatively new/unknown/not-trusted yet, etc, so you start selling the same $5 bouncy ball for $10 to people buying in AUR, because you don't know if you are going to lose out and its still quite alien to you. That $10 equivalent in AUR basically becomes absorbed, because its unlikely that people are going to use their airdropped coins (nationally, within iceland) for anything more than a novelty or 1 time purchase to begin with, which means that in effect, that AUR is wiped out.. meaning increased value for AUR over time as this AUR is sucked in to merchants who will be unable, for the most part, to give change to someone for their AUR purchase if they do not yet hold their personal airdropped AUR themselves, and if they do, it would be initially a hassle to give change until it becomes more streamlined. All in all, you are not basing your argument off anything other than your opinion and a quick look at some charts. Face the facts, if there was no 'actual buying or selling' of any coin then the price would remain static... so uhh what are you talking about? I've seen you on these forums for long enough to know that you literally thread hop and inject your negative and obsolete opinions. Anyway, please feel free to come back with a meaningful reply, I look forward to it. Warm Regards Sevordsbjorngen the Icelandic You lost me at those two thing that are contradicting themselves. Let's talk about charts. 9% of the coins have been dropped. Yet we see less than the number of transactions that have been made daily before the airdrop. This is even while we have a large amount of coins (the mined ones) in the hands of other people who can only use them in exchanges (and most of them are responsible for two transactions daily reward.wallet.exchange) This means that 10% of the coins in the hands of 10% of the population and take into the account those are the more IT inclined users are not even making a dent in the actual use of the coin. And besides that , seeing you , the creator of the the panda-monium here and praising this coin , that can scare off anyone. |
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And besides that , seeing you , the creator of the the panda-monium here and praising this coin , that can scare off anyone.
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April 13, 2014, 05:47:10 PM |
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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
I twill go even lower , most of the coins are outside iceland and there is no actual buying/selling happening there with aur. So , as a national coin it has failed. it will end just like the others , trading only considering that only 9.5 percent of the airdrop is complete its hardly surprising that most of them are with outside investors who are looking at aur as either long-term or other reasons. How that reflects on the price is not really known so i'm not sure how you know. What is likely to happen is an increase in price over time as the airdrop gains momentum. There are a few reasons for this: say for example, you are an icelandic merchant, and you sell bouncy balls at $5 a piece in FIAT, and whatever that translates to in ISK, but now as a merchant you are selling for both ISK and AUR, because u are going to be selling the same product in aur, you are naturally going to mark it up because it is relatively new/unknown/not-trusted yet, etc, so you start selling the same $5 bouncy ball for $10 to people buying in AUR, because you don't know if you are going to lose out and its still quite alien to you. That $10 equivalent in AUR basically becomes absorbed, because its unlikely that people are going to use their airdropped coins (nationally, within iceland) for anything more than a novelty or 1 time purchase to begin with, which means that in effect, that AUR is wiped out.. meaning increased value for AUR over time as this AUR is sucked in to merchants who will be unable, for the most part, to give change to someone for their AUR purchase if they do not yet hold their personal airdropped AUR themselves, and if they do, it would be initially a hassle to give change until it becomes more streamlined. All in all, you are not basing your argument off anything other than your opinion and a quick look at some charts. Face the facts, if there was no 'actual buying or selling' of any coin then the price would remain static... so uhh what are you talking about? I've seen you on these forums for long enough to know that you literally thread hop and inject your negative and obsolete opinions. Anyway, please feel free to come back with a meaningful reply, I look forward to it. Warm Regards Sevordsbjorngen the Icelandic You lost me at those two thing that are contradicting themselves. Let's talk about charts. 9% of the coins have been dropped. Yet we see less than the number of transactions that have been made daily before the airdrop. This is even while we have a large amount of coins (the mined ones) in the hands of other people who can only use them in exchanges (and most of them are responsible for two transactions daily reward.wallet.exchange) This means that 10% of the coins in the hands of 10% of the population and take into the account those are the more IT inclined users are not even making a dent in the actual use of the coin. And besides that , seeing you , the creator of the the panda-monium here and praising this coin , that can scare off anyone. I don't understand what you're trying to say. first of all, 10% of airdropped coins is actually 5% of the total coins because it was 50% premined, but I'm guessing maths, and also thinking in general are probably not your strong points. - so the remaining 50% of the coins that are going to be held by a combination of people, including people outside of Iceland, possibly some already within iceland who wish to increase their own personal holdings of AUR, and the rest are still being mined. You seem to have extremely unrealistic expectations of how quickly a coin should be adopted in real-world scenarios. What do you deem a fair timescale to be in order to make an informed and educated call as to whether the adoption has been a success? In my books, and im sure most other peoples, its way too early to tell, but if this is too nerve wracking for you and you lack the long-term investment mindset, expertise and know-how - this isn't for you. By the looks of the coin price, the majority of AUR holders outside of Iceland have most likely abandoned the coin a long time ago as the coin started to lose its double (almost close to triple) figure $ value and plummeted from $92 down to where we are today. For me, thats good, let them sell, and if you are bringing up panda to try and give your argument any weight, im really confused. Why don't you go ahead and sell your coins or just give them to me, or somemone else if thats how you feel. FYI, I am not the creator of any coin, but if you need to mention this stuff to try and give your argument weight then thats ok too. I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly. Warm Regards Sevoqstrom The Strong |
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April 13, 2014, 07:05:56 PM |
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I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly.
Warm Regards
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Well he wouldn't want to invest in one of your attempts of a coin would he as panda and 10-5 are about as opposite to a "successful crypto" as it gets. You to be honest need to understand yourself how a "investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto" works as so far you have constantly let people on this forum down with piss poor attempts at making coins. People want to fix panda but you wont give them any help and well 10-5 is just dead in the water as expected to be quite frank. Please for the love of crypto stop making coins and stop thinking you are something you are not which is clearly someone who thinks he knows how to make a successful coin. "The pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind sevoque. |
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April 13, 2014, 07:15:57 PM |
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I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly.
Warm Regards
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Well he wouldn't want to invest in one of your attempts of a coin would he as panda and 10-5 are about as opposite to a "successful crypto" as it gets. You to be honest need to understand yourself how a "investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto" works as so far you have constantly let people on this forum down with piss poor attempts at making coins. People want to fix panda but you wont give them any help and well 10-5 is just dead in the water as expected to be quite frank. Please for the love of crypto stop making coins and stop thinking you are something you are not which is clearly someone who thinks he knows how to make a successful coin. "The pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind sevoque. Kestrel stop being such a simpleton. Neither of those coins are mine. 10-5 is owned by defrostr and Panda is owned by jacob and artis. What response are you looking for from me? Defrostr is back now, so expect action on 10-5. I have no autonomy to hand over a coin (panda) that isn't mine. Personally I would love to see something happen with the coin and have directed the many enquiries that I have received in relation to a revival toward Jacob as he is the one who can make that happen. This isn't about me, this is about AUR, and quite frankly, my personal track record in coin investment is pretty sound. My personal track record with cryptos i've INVESTED IN, I've done great with. DOGE, RPC and also BC and POT. I have had no personal involvement in any of them, so I don't really understand what your saying? I have never made a coin, I have had a community facing roll in the coins I have been involved with and that is why I receive the brunt of the drama and complaints by association. I wish, honestly wish I had more control in the panda project, and personally I am all for someone taking over the coin and doing their thing with it because I think it had real potential, and still do. I'm not sure what you want me to say here, but personally attacking me in relation to aura is retarded to boot, I am an investor, and I am giving reasons and facts as to why I believe the coin has a future. Either take that on board, pull up your skirt and make some money, or kindly go away and troll somewhere else. Svjorgenvoque |
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April 13, 2014, 07:32:15 PM |
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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
I twill go even lower , most of the coins are outside iceland and there is no actual buying/selling happening there with aur. So , as a national coin it has failed. it will end just like the others , trading only considering that only 9.5 percent of the airdrop is complete its hardly surprising that most of them are with outside investors who are looking at aur as either long-term or other reasons. How that reflects on the price is not really known so i'm not sure how you know. What is likely to happen is an increase in price over time as the airdrop gains momentum. There are a few reasons for this: say for example, you are an icelandic merchant, and you sell bouncy balls at $5 a piece in FIAT, and whatever that translates to in ISK, but now as a merchant you are selling for both ISK and AUR, because u are going to be selling the same product in aur, you are naturally going to mark it up because it is relatively new/unknown/not-trusted yet, etc, so you start selling the same $5 bouncy ball for $10 to people buying in AUR, because you don't know if you are going to lose out and its still quite alien to you. That $10 equivalent in AUR basically becomes absorbed, because its unlikely that people are going to use their airdropped coins (nationally, within iceland) for anything more than a novelty or 1 time purchase to begin with, which means that in effect, that AUR is wiped out.. meaning increased value for AUR over time as this AUR is sucked in to merchants who will be unable, for the most part, to give change to someone for their AUR purchase if they do not yet hold their personal airdropped AUR themselves, and if they do, it would be initially a hassle to give change until it becomes more streamlined. All in all, you are not basing your argument off anything other than your opinion and a quick look at some charts. Face the facts, if there was no 'actual buying or selling' of any coin then the price would remain static... so uhh what are you talking about? I've seen you on these forums for long enough to know that you literally thread hop and inject your negative and obsolete opinions. Anyway, please feel free to come back with a meaningful reply, I look forward to it. Warm Regards Sevordsbjorngen the Icelandic You lost me at those two thing that are contradicting themselves. Let's talk about charts. 9% of the coins have been dropped. Yet we see less than the number of transactions that have been made daily before the airdrop. This is even while we have a large amount of coins (the mined ones) in the hands of other people who can only use them in exchanges (and most of them are responsible for two transactions daily reward.wallet.exchange) This means that 10% of the coins in the hands of 10% of the population and take into the account those are the more IT inclined users are not even making a dent in the actual use of the coin. And besides that , seeing you , the creator of the the panda-monium here and praising this coin , that can scare off anyone. I don't understand what you're trying to say. first of all, 10% of airdropped coins is actually 5% of the total coins because it was 50% premined, but I'm guessing maths, and also thinking in general are probably not your strong points. - so the remaining 50% of the coins that are going to be held by a combination of people, including people outside of Iceland, possibly some already within iceland who wish to increase their own personal holdings of AUR, and the rest are still being mined. You seem to have extremely unrealistic expectations of how quickly a coin should be adopted in real-world scenarios. What do you deem a fair timescale to be in order to make an informed and educated call as to whether the adoption has been a success? In my books, and im sure most other peoples, its way too early to tell, but if this is too nerve wracking for you and you lack the long-term investment mindset, expertise and know-how - this isn't for you. By the looks of the coin price, the majority of AUR holders outside of Iceland have most likely abandoned the coin a long time ago as the coin started to lose its double (almost close to triple) figure $ value and plummeted from $92 down to where we are today. For me, thats good, let them sell, and if you are bringing up panda to try and give your argument any weight, im really confused. Why don't you go ahead and sell your coins or just give them to me, or somemone else if thats how you feel. FYI, I am not the creator of any coin, but if you need to mention this stuff to try and give your argument weight then thats ok too. I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly. Warm Regards Sevoqstrom The Strong Math? you're talking about math? every project that you're involved with ends with the value of 1 litoshi so spare me the math. With the usual shilling on your mind you forgot about the 10 % mined coins....which based on you crappy scenario should already be ready to use in icelanders hands (you said that icelanders are willing to increase their aur holdings) didn't you? Taking half of that and half of that , adding more bone to balance the calcium in the thinking area and you're good to go with 10%. Probably the failure of panda has hit you pretty hard in the head since you're talking about time , if a community want to promote a coin it will take a sparkle (see doge) if it doesn't it won't see any development > aurora  . But again , seeing you around make me even more confident of a failure . I month at max for 1 dogetoshi= 1 aur. |
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I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly.
Well he wouldn't want to invest in one of your attempts of a coin would he as panda and 10-5 are about as opposite to a "successful crypto" as it gets. "The pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind sevoque. my personal track record in coin investment is pretty sound. My personal track record with cryptos i've INVESTED IN, I've done great with. DOGE, RPC and also BC and POT. I have had no personal involvement in any of them
Well I am sure the devs at DOGE, RPC, BC and POT are happy you were not involved in its promotion. My point was and still is you have no place to criticise others when any of the coins you are involved in tank so hard themselves. Did you not invest in panda and 10-5 too and if not why not? do you not have faith in the coins you try to promote? I can also say I done well in all those coins and I am satoshi himself, doesn't make it true though right? Aurora is doing better than panda and 10-5 right? go promote your own projects rather than ripping into others and do something useful. |
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I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly.
Well he wouldn't want to invest in one of your attempts of a coin would he as panda and 10-5 are about as opposite to a "successful crypto" as it gets. "The pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind sevoque. my personal track record in coin investment is pretty sound. My personal track record with cryptos i've INVESTED IN, I've done great with. DOGE, RPC and also BC and POT. I have had no personal involvement in any of them
Well I am sure the devs at DOGE, RPC, BC and POT are happy you were not involved in its promotion. My point was and still is you have no place to criticise others when any of the coins you are involved in tank so hard themselves. Did you not invest in panda and 10-5 too and if not why not? do you not have faith in the coins you try to promote? I can also say I done well in all those coins and I am satoshi himself, doesn't make it true though right? Aurora is doing better than panda and 10-5 right? go promote your own projects rather than ripping into others and do something useful. I don't get it, I'm bigging up aura and it's merits, you're the one whose made this personal and for whatever reason cannot seem to accept what I'm saying about aura. Yes I invested in 10-5, I'm holding almost 2k and yes I've lost money. Yes I have faith that Russell (defroster) will make this project in to a huge success. And if you must know, I offered to back down from the project due to the negative press it was getting as As a result of all the panda drama As I personally did not want to stand in the way of the success of the coin. Re panda, I gave away the remainder of what I held to Molly. Re aura, if my involvement with this coin as an investor scares you, I suggest you rethink your involvement in crypto overall. |
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April 13, 2014, 08:27:29 PM |
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I thought .004 would be bottom, one week later holy shit we're at .0027!
I twill go even lower , most of the coins are outside iceland and there is no actual buying/selling happening there with aur. So , as a national coin it has failed. it will end just like the others , trading only considering that only 9.5 percent of the airdrop is complete its hardly surprising that most of them are with outside investors who are looking at aur as either long-term or other reasons. How that reflects on the price is not really known so i'm not sure how you know. What is likely to happen is an increase in price over time as the airdrop gains momentum. There are a few reasons for this: say for example, you are an icelandic merchant, and you sell bouncy balls at $5 a piece in FIAT, and whatever that translates to in ISK, but now as a merchant you are selling for both ISK and AUR, because u are going to be selling the same product in aur, you are naturally going to mark it up because it is relatively new/unknown/not-trusted yet, etc, so you start selling the same $5 bouncy ball for $10 to people buying in AUR, because you don't know if you are going to lose out and its still quite alien to you. That $10 equivalent in AUR basically becomes absorbed, because its unlikely that people are going to use their airdropped coins (nationally, within iceland) for anything more than a novelty or 1 time purchase to begin with, which means that in effect, that AUR is wiped out.. meaning increased value for AUR over time as this AUR is sucked in to merchants who will be unable, for the most part, to give change to someone for their AUR purchase if they do not yet hold their personal airdropped AUR themselves, and if they do, it would be initially a hassle to give change until it becomes more streamlined. All in all, you are not basing your argument off anything other than your opinion and a quick look at some charts. Face the facts, if there was no 'actual buying or selling' of any coin then the price would remain static... so uhh what are you talking about? I've seen you on these forums for long enough to know that you literally thread hop and inject your negative and obsolete opinions. Anyway, please feel free to come back with a meaningful reply, I look forward to it. Warm Regards Sevordsbjorngen the Icelandic You lost me at those two thing that are contradicting themselves. Let's talk about charts. 9% of the coins have been dropped. Yet we see less than the number of transactions that have been made daily before the airdrop. This is even while we have a large amount of coins (the mined ones) in the hands of other people who can only use them in exchanges (and most of them are responsible for two transactions daily reward.wallet.exchange) This means that 10% of the coins in the hands of 10% of the population and take into the account those are the more IT inclined users are not even making a dent in the actual use of the coin. And besides that , seeing you , the creator of the the panda-monium here and praising this coin , that can scare off anyone. I don't understand what you're trying to say. first of all, 10% of airdropped coins is actually 5% of the total coins because it was 50% premined, but I'm guessing maths, and also thinking in general are probably not your strong points. - so the remaining 50% of the coins that are going to be held by a combination of people, including people outside of Iceland, possibly some already within iceland who wish to increase their own personal holdings of AUR, and the rest are still being mined. You seem to have extremely unrealistic expectations of how quickly a coin should be adopted in real-world scenarios. What do you deem a fair timescale to be in order to make an informed and educated call as to whether the adoption has been a success? In my books, and im sure most other peoples, its way too early to tell, but if this is too nerve wracking for you and you lack the long-term investment mindset, expertise and know-how - this isn't for you. By the looks of the coin price, the majority of AUR holders outside of Iceland have most likely abandoned the coin a long time ago as the coin started to lose its double (almost close to triple) figure $ value and plummeted from $92 down to where we are today. For me, thats good, let them sell, and if you are bringing up panda to try and give your argument any weight, im really confused. Why don't you go ahead and sell your coins or just give them to me, or somemone else if thats how you feel. FYI, I am not the creator of any coin, but if you need to mention this stuff to try and give your argument weight then thats ok too. I don't think you would understand how to identify an investable crypto or even a mildly successful crypto if it smacked you in the face repeatedly. Warm Regards Sevoqstrom The Strong Math? you're talking about math? every project that you're involved with ends with the value of 1 litoshi so spare me the math. With the usual shilling on your mind you forgot about the 10 % mined coins....which based on you crappy scenario should already be ready to use in icelanders hands (you said that icelanders are willing to increase their aur holdings) didn't you? Taking half of that and half of that , adding more bone to balance the calcium in the thinking area and you're good to go with 10%. Probably the failure of panda has hit you pretty hard in the head since you're talking about time , if a community want to promote a coin it will take a sparkle (see doge) if it doesn't it won't see any development > aurora . But again , seeing you around make me even more confident of a failure . I month at max for 1 dogetoshi= 1 aur. Lol what does aura have to do with me or panda? You can't work out the maths, you have nothing to substantiate your arguments on other than the fact you are a thread hopping psychopath who tries to flame and troll coins. Your post history is a testament to that and validates that. I don't think you are interested in making any real investment in aura, I don't think you even hold aura, I don't think you have any interest in ever adding any value to any coin and my guess is that you have a relatively low net worth as far as crypto goes. Your dead to me . |
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Lol what does aura have to do with me or panda? You can't work out the maths, you have nothing to substantiate your arguments on other than the fact you are a thread hopping psychopath who tries to flame and troll coins. Your post history is a testament to that and validates that. I don't think you are interested in making any real investment in aura, I don't think you even hold aura, I don't think you have any interest in ever adding any value to any coin and my guess is that you have a relatively low net worth as far as crypto goes. Your dead to me .
False false false and false again. And for the dead thing , there are plenty of people here who would love to see you dead At least i haven't scammed anybody. |
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