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[valarmg]

I agree whole heartedly, and I want to make it abundantly clear that although I support and desire there to be as much marketing and PR as possible, I feel the pool being up, fully transparent, and optimized is absolutely required for BC to show consistent gains.  In no way to I feel that even 100 of IE's campaigns would single-handedly turn BC into a real investment opportunity... although they would definitely be likely to pump the price to a point where my exit would be very sweet... ultimately they would not be able to support the coin alone and it would collapse like a dot-com-bubble-IPO back in 2000.

The point that many people on both sides seem to disagree on highly - and this is sad - is that no one person or group of people will lead to BC's dominance in the CC marketplace... but it is entirely possible that one person or a group of people (if they are determined/destructive enough) to destroy it.

The bottom line is this... no one needs to have the "last word" - I think we're all well aware of the fact that some people support IE and his marketing initiatives, some people support the idea that a 'central management team' is in control, and other support none of the above.  No matter what we either have to figure out how to swallow our pride - and just work together - or sell out and move along.

Based on many of the opinions here - IconicExpert - I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that although you have done much and have much more planned... that it is not the only reason people are invested in BC, but that a decent group of those who are support you and your initiatives.  At the same time that I agree that problems were created from the 'inside circle' - as it stands today - this isn't the way to resolve that.  Do what you do best, let them do what they do best... and let the rest of the community do what it does best - support whatever it believes is in it's best interests.  Human resource problems are the least of our concerns at the moment... survival and stability are.

There will be time as a community to call for censure or 'management changes' if we survive our first year of existence... if not then all of this was a waste in the first place - but if we start worrying about who get's the bronze bust in the foyer... we're all going to be holding $0.001 BC's not $10.00 BC's.

Great post.

[foaman]

I wasn't going to intervene in the new, even more outrageous initiative of this little Hitler under the IconicExpert handle, but I just have to point out what it is plain obvious about the guy. You, little Hitler, are poison. To the BlackCoin project and to any community, because you are a dictator who just cannot stand not just criticism -in spite of so many aberrant ideas- but even the more elemental rights anyone can have to sustain and very educatedly, defend their opinions. Who the fuck are you to submit to vote if I should or shouldn't be banned? Who the fuck do you think you are to manipulate such initiative by constantly and unfairly judge and condemn the effects of my posts? who the fuck are you to even talk about me other than on a direct, personal basis, as is the right of everyone on any public forum? You are a despicable, little, insignificant individual whose actions and words put himself in the place where he belongs: That on someone who has to be taken seriously ONLY because he has the potential, under the proper circumstances, of causing severe damage to others, some irrational tool bent of outrageous greed and egocentric behavior lacking any capability whatsoever of self-criticism, restraint or even the most basic reasoning.

I will be here calling it like it is, whether coming from you or coming from whoever, get it? You sir are dangerous and despicable, again. And need to be filtered constantly like you have been in recent past, not allowed to cause any damage. Because that is what you did with your outrageous outburst regarding WC, that is what you would have done if allowed to pursue your initiative to manipulate the BC market and that is probably what you will do marching on Wall Street with your 50 escorts. And yet, I won't advocate for your banning of that of anyone else, no matter how crazy or outrageous. You are, for many, the demoralizing, raging greedy tool in this board, the idiot that post that 360% growth (in exchange price, that is, the only growth you care about), is not just achievable but sustainable. You sir, are the one that STILL hasn't answered the question posed and posted many times: Why the fucking rush? What is the objective of this "help" to the community? Selling more cards for significant profit? dumping the coins when the price gets to a higher level? What? Furthermore, why don't you just make public your wallet so we can see what your level of interest in the future of BlackCoin is, for real, and we all can witness that you are in it for the long haul and for the good and the future of the coin and the community?

You sir, little Hitler, are full of shit.
 

what a dumbass I have never used the ignore button until now.  reading your rants is the same type of horrifying nonsense we have to listen to every time Obama opens his mouth.  /vote kick

[Coinler]

let me also suggest, that we have donations for projects done in other currencies besides bc.. and done in btc/ltc etc. as donations in bc would have to be sold down on our order book and provide more "sell-pressure" to convert to btc to convert to fiat.

and kill bc giveaways.. ppl who receive free coins head straight to the dump. those who really want them.. will find a way to obtain them and hold some level of value for them based on the price they paid.

[KingSchultz]

No pointless drama on the subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/

Subreddit is full of facts, legitimate discussion, project ideas + implementation. Go here if you're sick of the stealth trolls and dick waving contests of BTCtalk.  

I'll say this clearly: Bitcointalk can never be a professional home for our web community. As long as outsiders see this fucking thread as the 'base' of Blackcoin, trolls and the drama they incite will impact the value of your investment. Say what you will about reddit, our subreddit appears professional to the outside world and legitimate discussion can go on there without constant interruption. Guarantee you the value of Blackcoin would go up if it became known that this thread isn't the home of Blackcoin.

The subreddit has tripled in a few weeks. It's almost at critical mass to where it will be legitimate to say, 'no, this thread doesn't represent Blackcoin. Go to the subreddit or official forums'. And that's what we need to be done, because there will always be trolls and people spreading FUD here. That's practically the point of these forums. There are hundreds of altcoin threads and many interested in keeping the 'daily new coin' game alive.

If we were #1, would we be here? No, so let's make the change as it's a step towards that.

[mr_random]

[snip rubbish]

You sir, little Hitler, are full of shit.
 

Can you leave this thread please? It's for adults.

[IconicExpert]

Based on many of the opinions here - IconicExpert - I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that although you have done much and have much more planned... that it is not the only reason people are invested in BC, but that a decent group of those who are support you and your initiatives.  At the same time that I agree that problems were created from the 'inside circle' - as it stands today - this isn't the way to resolve that.  Do what you do best, let them do what they do best... and let the rest of the community do what it does best - support whatever it believes is in it's best interests.  Human resource problems are the least of our concerns at the moment... survival and stability are.

There will be time as a community to call for censure or 'management changes' if we survive our first year of existence... if not then all of this was a waste in the first place - but if we start worrying about who get's the bronze bust in the foyer... we're all going to be holding $0.001 BC's not $10.00 BC's.

My ego is not the big, and please point to an instance where I remotely implied that people are solely here for me? Others have posted if I go they are going, but I have never implied "I am the all mighty of BC". People are here because they feel BC is a good investment, but they also want someone with experience to organize the community better. I believe everyone should pitch in and do whatever they can to get BC to #1. I never suggested or implied that my promotional efforts alone will give BC longevity, and I recently commented that we need to pursue as many avenues as possible. I do not care if there is a core team or not, all I care about is results...period. Right now what is being done is not showing results, so we as a community need to figure out what needs to be done. I asked earlier and my question was never answered:

What is the plan for BlackCoin?

We (this community) need a clear cut plan and then we need to execute the plan...

[rat4]

Don't hurry changes will be applied starting from block 1440, current only 470.

Can you explain what protocol we are changing to or how things will be different?

Don't hurry

[Subtuppel]

No pointless drama on the subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/

Subreddit is full of facts, legitimate discussion, project ideas + implementation. Go here if you're sick of the stealth trolls and dick waving contests of BTCtalk.  

I'll say this clearly: Bitcointalk can never be a professional home for our web community. As long as outsiders see this fucking thread as the 'base' of Blackcoin, trolls and the drama they incite will impact the value of your investment. Say what you will about reddit, our subreddit appears professional to the outside world and legitimate discussion can go on there without constant interruption. Guarantee you the value of Blackcoin would go up if it became known that this thread isn't the home of Blackcoin.

The subreddit has tripled in a few weeks. It's almost at critical mass to where it will be legitimate to say, 'no, this thread doesn't represent Blackcoin. Go to the subreddit or official forums'. And that's what we need to be done, because there will always be trolls and people spreading FUD here. That's practically the point of these forums. There are hundreds of altcoin threads and many interested in keeping the 'daily new coin' game alive.

If we were #1, would we be here? No, so let's make the change as it's a step towards that.

+1

I will, however, stay here until this thread is finally closed. We can't leave this for the trolls only as long as it is amongst the top google/whatever search results for "BlackCoin".
IMO, we should ask for this thread to be closed with a final message where to find us then, and move on to the subreddit and/or a self moderated and self hosted forum.

[alison03]

https://mywl.lt/voting/

Keep voting!

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wow myriadcoin takes a jump to #1. I can't say I saw that coming!

[mr_random]

As others have noted, some people are hesitant to bring their ideas to the table due to the often hostile nature of this topic.

Compare this with Dogecoin where almost any kind of initiative is cheered on!

I strongly encourage anyone who has ideas to share them but also to remember that the blackcoin subreddit /r/blackcoin is a much friendlier and supportive place to launch campaigns, projects, fund raisers and ideas. That said I still think this subforum is important for generating traffic. Each month a new wave of people join this forum, it's good for us to be consistently on page 1.

[platorin]

Wish I didn't miss that train. Good luck to everyone and to the project itself. Black is prestigious.

[Subtuppel]

https://mywl.lt/voting/

Keep voting!

Ends in a few hours

JUST VOTED TO PUT IT ON TOP!!

SITTING ON #1 SPOT NOW!

VOTE VOTE

!!!

wow myriadcoin takes a jump to #1. I can't say I saw that coming!

yeah, you can do awesome things with proxies and iMacros

[virtualfaqs]

Altcoin porfolio took a massive hit today. I'm taking a break. Good luck folks!

[Soepkip]

https://mywl.lt/voting/ <-- We are 100 votes behind.

We have 2.5 Hours to go until voting closes.

Can we make it?

[Coinler]

No pointless drama on the subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/

Subreddit is full of facts, legitimate discussion, project ideas + implementation. Go here if you're sick of the stealth trolls and dick waving contests of BTCtalk.  

I'll say this clearly: Bitcointalk can never be a professional home for our web community. As long as outsiders see this fucking thread as the 'base' of Blackcoin, trolls and the drama they incite will impact the value of your investment. Say what you will about reddit, our subreddit appears professional to the outside world and legitimate discussion can go on there without constant interruption. Guarantee you the value of Blackcoin would go up if it became known that this thread isn't the home of Blackcoin.

The subreddit has tripled in a few weeks. It's almost at critical mass to where it will be legitimate to say, 'no, this thread doesn't represent Blackcoin. Go to the subreddit or official forums'. And that's what we need to be done, because there will always be trolls and people spreading FUD here. That's practically the point of these forums. There are hundreds of altcoin threads and many interested in keeping the 'daily new coin' game alive.

If we were #1, would we be here? No, so let's make the change as it's a step towards that.

+1

I will, however, stay here until this thread is finally closed. We can't leave this for the trolls only as long as it is amongst the top google/whatever search results for "BlackCoin".
IMO, we should ask for this thread to be closed with a final message where to find us then, and move on to the subreddit and/or a self moderated and self hosted forum.

what makes u think that trolls wont follow you to the subreddit. you need to learn how to deal with trolls professionally. ur responses to them dirty this community by your own hands. and then you still have to face reverse-trolls. never heard about them? well it's when you have a sturdy measure for dealing with trolls and everything seems like it is finally getting under control.. and then a rage of impolite trolls overtake the thread attempting to have the community take the responsibility for their deplorable remarks and behaviour. and they will succeed, until this community starts shunning such behaviour.. and possibly mentioning that "the views posted by this bitcointalk user are not the views of the blackcoin community as a whole."


personally, i never thought hitler videos on a coin seeking investment from the jewish community was a good idea. and our community allowed jew jokes and mild bashing to occur without reprimand. any forum you establish a presence at will attract trolls. and the community has to be well knowledgeable in dealing with it wherever it rears it's ugly head. u cant run from trolls .. theyre everywhere.

[KingSchultz]

No pointless drama on the subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/

Subreddit is full of facts, legitimate discussion, project ideas + implementation. Go here if you're sick of the stealth trolls and dick waving contests of BTCtalk.  

I'll say this clearly: Bitcointalk can never be a professional home for our web community. As long as outsiders see this fucking thread as the 'base' of Blackcoin, trolls and the drama they incite will impact the value of your investment. Say what you will about reddit, our subreddit appears professional to the outside world and legitimate discussion can go on there without constant interruption. Guarantee you the value of Blackcoin would go up if it became known that this thread isn't the home of Blackcoin.

The subreddit has tripled in a few weeks. It's almost at critical mass to where it will be legitimate to say, 'no, this thread doesn't represent Blackcoin. Go to the subreddit or official forums'. And that's what we need to be done, because there will always be trolls and people spreading FUD here. That's practically the point of these forums. There are hundreds of altcoin threads and many interested in keeping the 'daily new coin' game alive.

If we were #1, would we be here? No, so let's make the change as it's a step towards that.

+1

I will, however, stay here until this thread is finally closed. We can't leave this for the trolls only as long as it is amongst the top google/whatever search results for "BlackCoin".
IMO, we should ask for this thread to be closed with a final message where to find us then, and move on to the subreddit and/or a self moderated and self hosted forum.

what makes u think that trolls wont follow you to the subreddit. you need to learn how to deal with trolls professionally. ur responses to them dirty this community by your own hands. and then you still have to face reverse-trolls. never heard about them? well it's when you have a sturdy measure for dealing with trolls and everything seems like it is finally getting under control.. and then a rage of impolite trolls overtake the thread attempting to have the community take the responsibility for their deplorable remarks and behaviour. and they will succeed, until this community starts shunning such behaviour.. and possibly mentioning that "the views posted by this bitcointalk user are not the views of the blackcoin community as a whole."


personally, i never thought hitler videos on a coin seeking investment from the jewish community was a good idea. and our community allowed jew jokes and mild bashing to occur without reprimand. any forum you establish a presence at will attract trolls. and the community has to be well knowledgeable in dealing with it wherever it rears it's ugly head. u cant run from trolls .. theyre everywhere.

Reddit relies on a system of community consensus (voting) to control content based on what the community in general wants to see. This forum thread has no controls in place for any kind of trolling. It's not even comparable. I'm not saying trolls won't come to the subreddit, I'm saying that their power there is maybe 10% of what they can do here.

[colinfx]

#BlackCoin holders, please vote for BC to be added https://mywl.lt/voting/ we are only 100 votes from the top!

https://twitter.com/CryptoDabbler/status/461935073391308801

[barabbas]

Is technical innovation and a slick looking and profitable pool enough to succeed? NO!

Even if there weren't a literal sea of copies, clones, scams, etc... with more being launched every week - we have to also understand that BlackCoin is what it is... and that is a copy of previous work which has been (and currently is as rat4's post indicates) being developed into much more than just another altcoin cloned from BTC (or more accurately an amalgamation of BTC and NovaCoin with some adjustments).

We do not always agree, but I agree with you 100% here. I have been saying this for several weeks. Too much focus is on the multi-pool, and very little attention is being spent on PR. Some people assumed the multi-pool would be the shield that keeps BC price stable, and that is been proven to be false. So instead of certain individuals trying a different approach, instead they double down on the idea of the multi-pool. I think we need to pursue as many avenues as we can. We do not need to wait for the "core" group to make decisions. I have people that send me PMs with impressive backgrounds and resumes, but they do not want to come forward because they do not believe in the core group. Over the next few days and weeks you will see some talented people start to bring new ideas to the table.

"If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always gotten...."

the multipool's failure is a direct result of poor profitability. regardless of multipool comparisons.. i am able to do .01+ btc per mh mining other coins and buying bc manually. this blows out any multipool's profitability currently. so u have to ask yourself, why would i mine a multipool when i can gather more investment power myself.

this has to do with the fact that where multipools go, coins are dumped.. significantly lowering the profitability to mining time because of the multipool's heartless abuse of the chosen coin to mine on their buy order book. i message soepkip/iconic about my concern regarding thisa couple weeks ago i think it was and was assured that measures would be put in place to mitigate it.

but now we have a further problem. as many know crypto is a flowing, moving and changing game. you have to calculate every day and sometimes 4-5 times a day. running a multipool efficiently is hard work. it means calculating and searching for the highest profitability option all day.. searching the markets. im pretty sure the multipool doesnt do this and is as a result re-active to profitable coins rather than pro-active.

i recommend some upgrades for the multipool and more prizes. noone cares about knc miner because they wont win. i believe that will be the general consensus of most miners.. especially small time.

1. give users the ability to stipulate their bid price on the bc orderbook through their account
2. also give them the option to hold certain coins the multipool mines (good coin expected to rise in a couple days will increase individual profitability and investment in bc)
3. multipool owners must keep up to date on new currencies with good potential and investment backing so that they can be added as option in the multipool asap upon being added to an exchange.

i disagree with most here on the power of the multipool. i believe that attracting investors to invest via the multipool is the surest way of gaining investors who will hold for more than a rise from 27k to 30k before they dump/downtrade the margin. i think it is in this communities best interest to make use of the multipool as attractive as possible.. and then make it more attractive. this is our baby.. and i dont think we should give up pioneering further usefulness out of it.

im all for PR on the coin. but maybe we can catch 2 birds with one stone by doing some pr on the multipool. ill voice my opinion once more, that i think multiple cheaper prizes will give hope to many more miners entering and increase the probability in their minds that they might actually win something. think about $10k in prizes given via multipool to loyal miners. this will encourage users never to leave the multipool.

good luck with the wallstreet bid. im not sure how the professionals there would take it. but this whole campaign may have worked alot better if there were already blackcoin atms around so ppl can go buy some blackcoin to put on their empty wallet gifts they just got. meh, i can go on. but i feel like noone listens to me on here and just overlook my posts.. whatever.

I agree whole heartedly, and I want to make it abundantly clear that although I support and desire there to be as much marketing and PR as possible, I feel the pool being up, fully transparent, and optimized is absolutely required for BC to show consistent gains.  In no way to I feel that even 100 of IE's campaigns would single-handedly turn BC into a real investment opportunity... although they would definitely be likely to pump the price to a point where my exit would be very sweet... ultimately they would not be able to support the coin alone and it would collapse like a dot-com-bubble-IPO back in 2000.

The point that many people on both sides seem to disagree on highly - and this is sad - is that no one person or group of people will lead to BC's dominance in the CC marketplace... but it is entirely possible that one person or a group of people (if they are determined/destructive enough) to destroy it.

The bottom line is this... no one needs to have the "last word" - I think we're all well aware of the fact that some people support IE and his marketing initiatives, some people support the idea that a 'central management team' is in control, and other support none of the above.  No matter what we either have to figure out how to swallow our pride - and just work together - or sell out and move along.

Based on many of the opinions here - IconicExpert - I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that although you have done much and have much more planned... that it is not the only reason people are invested in BC, but that a decent group of those who are support you and your initiatives.  At the same time that I agree that problems were created from the 'inside circle' - as it stands today - this isn't the way to resolve that.  Do what you do best, let them do what they do best... and let the rest of the community do what it does best - support whatever it believes is in it's best interests.  Human resource problems are the least of our concerns at the moment... survival and stability are.

There will be time as a community to call for censure or 'management changes' if we survive our first year of existence... if not then all of this was a waste in the first place - but if we start worrying about who get's the bronze bust in the foyer... we're all going to be holding $0.001 BC's not $10.00 BC's.

I agree with most if not all that both "Coinler" (especially this part: i disagree with most here on the power of the multipool. i believe that attracting investors to invest via the multipool is the surest way of gaining investors who will hold for more than a rise from 27k to 30k before they dump/downtrade the margin. i think it is in this communities best interest to make use of the multipool as attractive as possible.. and then make it more attractive. this is our baby.. and i dont think we should give up pioneering further usefulness out of it.) and "Digicidal" post here.

Obviously "IE" has other "business" priorities, whether he "vows" to tone down the "fighting" or not. Fortunately, the community as a whole has a much more leveled  head and actually can see the danger in the "PR" gizmos and other more outrageous behaviors. Hopefully it will continue that way to see the sustained growth of this coin by solidifying and improving on the basics that brought it here in just 2 months. And maybe -why not be hopeful, no matter what the indications, repeatedly, are-, the real "good of the community" will prevail over the raging greed of a few, maybe well-intentioned but mostly misguided yahoos.

[brammien]

No pointless drama on the subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/

Subreddit is full of facts, legitimate discussion, project ideas + implementation. Go here if you're sick of the stealth trolls and dick waving contests of BTCtalk.  

I'll say this clearly: Bitcointalk can never be a professional home for our web community. As long as outsiders see this fucking thread as the 'base' of Blackcoin, trolls and the drama they incite will impact the value of your investment. Say what you will about reddit, our subreddit appears professional to the outside world and legitimate discussion can go on there without constant interruption. Guarantee you the value of Blackcoin would go up if it became known that this thread isn't the home of Blackcoin.

The subreddit has tripled in a few weeks. It's almost at critical mass to where it will be legitimate to say, 'no, this thread doesn't represent Blackcoin. Go to the subreddit or official forums'. And that's what we need to be done, because there will always be trolls and people spreading FUD here. That's practically the point of these forums. There are hundreds of altcoin threads and many interested in keeping the 'daily new coin' game alive.

If we were #1, would we be here? No, so let's make the change as it's a step towards that.

Have to agree on this, this place has become madness, let it remain, but real innovation should move to reddit. It's upvoting is far better for people to gauge what's legit or not, this place all people talk at once and filtering through the bs just to get to the real posts, about 1 per page, is getting old. Let the trolls hate, but we should have serious discussions on reddit and then only link what is done, from reddit, to BTC talk. That way we can be productive there, yet post here.

Iconic? If you take the lead, we will follow you there.

[colinfx]

#BlackCoin holders, please vote for BC to be added https://mywl.lt/voting/ we are only 100 votes from the top!

https://twitter.com/CryptoDabbler/status/461935073391308801

Now only 50 from the top spot! Keep voting!